2013 Jets: Rex back for 2014
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So the Jets official Twitter feed sent this out today:
New York Jets @nyjets
Free agency begins tomorrow. The Jets priority should be _________.
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/311196893726261248
Hilarity ensued: http://www.buzzfeed.com/ktlincoln/the-23-funniest-responses-to-the-jets-asking-for-advice-on-t
My favorite so far is either "why don't they make the whole free agency out of the black box" or "Make Rex Ryan's teeth smaller.."
New York Jets @nyjets
Free agency begins tomorrow. The Jets priority should be _________.
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/311196893726261248
Hilarity ensued: http://www.buzzfeed.com/ktlincoln/the-23-funniest-responses-to-the-jets-asking-for-advice-on-t
My favorite so far is either "why don't they make the whole free agency out of the black box" or "Make Rex Ryan's teeth smaller.."
RT @Jeff_McLane: I'm hearing CB Darelle Revis will be traded to the Bucs. Details just need to be ironed out.
The Revis to TB appears to be somewhat stalled at the moment. Might just be posturing. Obviously the longer they wait to trade him, the less teams they can play off of Tampa. I hope they trade him. He's in the last year of his deal, he's not coming back and I am in the total blow it up camp.
I really hope the plan is what it appears to be...Shit The Bed In 2013. This team was going to be lousy this season regardless. The worst thing you can do is put yourself in a bad cap space for the future. Might as well be horrible and get some draft picks in the process.
I really hope the plan is what it appears to be...Shit The Bed In 2013. This team was going to be lousy this season regardless. The worst thing you can do is put yourself in a bad cap space for the future. Might as well be horrible and get some draft picks in the process.
If they were truly planning to suck, they wouldn't have signed Garrard. That's a move with "hope" written on it.
The only way to secure a Shit The Bed season is to announce a training camp competition between Sanchez & Tebow ... and then playing whoever was worse in the preseason.
The Jets can't even tank properly.
The only way to secure a Shit The Bed season is to announce a training camp competition between Sanchez & Tebow ... and then playing whoever was worse in the preseason.
The Jets can't even tank properly.
Eh, they'd probably wind up drafting Greg Oden with the first overall pick, anyway.soxfan121 said:
The Raiders and Jets are going to be having a pretty compelling fail-off for that No. 1 pick.
So far this offseason, the Jets have lost or will lose:
Dustin Keller
LaRon Landry
Yeremiah Bell
Mike DeVito
Bart Scott
Calvin Pace
Eric Smith
Brandon Moore
That's a pretty amazing amount of loss and turnover.
So far this offseason, the Jets have lost or will lose:
Dustin Keller
LaRon Landry
Yeremiah Bell
Mike DeVito
Bart Scott
Calvin Pace
Eric Smith
Brandon Moore
That's a pretty amazing amount of loss and turnover.
They Jets aren't winning 8 games. Not only that but I'd be pretty surprised if Garrard ever plays a snap that counts.
Lots of rumors point towards Kevin Kolb coming to Jets. I guess Marty Mornhinwig loves him.
Lots of rumors point towards Kevin Kolb coming to Jets. I guess Marty Mornhinwig loves him.
Well. You always have those two AFC championship games.
And all the bizarre gloating you've done over the past 5 years.
So...there's that.
And all the bizarre gloating you've done over the past 5 years.
So...there's that.
SeanBerry said:
Agreed on Garrard, I'd be pretty surprised if he actually makes the team.
I'd love your take on this: if the Jets are really going to suck horribly in 2013, wouldn't it make sense to can Rex now, bring in the guy they want to lead the rebuild and get a 1 year head start on the process? Why keep Rex around for another year if 1) they're going to suck and 2) he's not part of the rebuild?
So Woodie has someone to blame the mess on publicly. If they hired a new GM and coach AND went on to be terrible, the blame would roll upwards to Woodie. By keeping Rex in place, Woodie can make Rex the fall guy for the upcoming shitshow.
The better question is why Rex hasn't quit and blamed Woodie for being an incompetent shithead. He's still the next coach in Dallas when Garrett gets whacked either way.
The better question is why Rex hasn't quit and blamed Woodie for being an incompetent shithead. He's still the next coach in Dallas when Garrett gets whacked either way.
Rex isn't going to quit. He'll get canned (or just not have his contract extended) after this upcoming season's debacle.
One aside: Jets losing Laron Landry sucks as he was a really nice player for them but the Colts are crazy giving him that much guaranteed money. Landry needed a day off each and every week from practice just to stay healthy last year.
KFP: I've said all throughout last year how horrid it was and I'm pretty open here about how next year is going to be insanely bad. Did I enjoy the seasons when the Jets went to the AFC Championship Games? Sure did. So what the fuck is your point?
One aside: Jets losing Laron Landry sucks as he was a really nice player for them but the Colts are crazy giving him that much guaranteed money. Landry needed a day off each and every week from practice just to stay healthy last year.
KFP: I've said all throughout last year how horrid it was and I'm pretty open here about how next year is going to be insanely bad. Did I enjoy the seasons when the Jets went to the AFC Championship Games? Sure did. So what the fuck is your point?
TheYellowDart5 said:
Don't forget Pouha, Revis and Shonn Greene.
Cro will be the only returning starter in the secondary. Defensive starters: 3 DBs, 2 LBs, 2DLs going or gone... That defense will be a shell. The offense sucks to begin with and has a new OC and no QB or RB.
Look out below.
Dick Pole Upside said:
They will suck but these are the right moves.
What puzzles me is why they don't just cut Sanchez and take all the salary cap pain right now, to avoid having to take that pain next year. Its not like they have any chance of competing this season and he really has no future there anyway.
I agree, and I don't know why they're being so passive on the free agent market. They have cap room now so they should either use it to dump Sanchez now rather than later. Or they should sign someone who they think is of long term help and structure the contract so it takes a big chunk this year and let's them navigate more freely in coming years with that guy on board.
And, Sean, I can't speak for KFP, but I doubt anyone would say those 2 Jets seasons weren't enjoyable for their fans. But I think the amount of gloating was odd, given that that they were nice runs but still failures. It's not just that the Pats would never gloat about just having won a semis game in the playoffs. It's that most teams wouldn't gloat either and one wouldn't think that even the Jets, based on the goals that Rex set, wouldn't strut quite as much as they did. I mean as recently as Tanny's post firing interviews and tv appearances he was talking about how Sanchez had brought the team to two championship games. I mean...really? I guess I"m happy that the Jets were so enamored of having won games in the semis that they acted as if they'd climbed the mountain top. But I think most would say it was over the top.
And, Sean, I can't speak for KFP, but I doubt anyone would say those 2 Jets seasons weren't enjoyable for their fans. But I think the amount of gloating was odd, given that that they were nice runs but still failures. It's not just that the Pats would never gloat about just having won a semis game in the playoffs. It's that most teams wouldn't gloat either and one wouldn't think that even the Jets, based on the goals that Rex set, wouldn't strut quite as much as they did. I mean as recently as Tanny's post firing interviews and tv appearances he was talking about how Sanchez had brought the team to two championship games. I mean...really? I guess I"m happy that the Jets were so enamored of having won games in the semis that they acted as if they'd climbed the mountain top. But I think most would say it was over the top.
Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
Right, this is what the Bills did with Fitz - the Jets should do the same. Should cut Holmes too for that matter.
Holmes restructured his deal earlier this week.
Fitzpatrick was due a roster bonus of $3M, which is why he was cut when he was cut.
As said, cutting Sanchez in June spreads the $17.1M cap hit over two seasons. ($12.35 million in 2013 and $4.8 million in 2014)
Fitzpatrick was due a roster bonus of $3M, which is why he was cut when he was cut.
As said, cutting Sanchez in June spreads the $17.1M cap hit over two seasons. ($12.35 million in 2013 and $4.8 million in 2014)
Cutting Sanchez would mean that Rex and Woody were wrong in their assessment of him. While Rex is coach they'll never admit such a thing.
SeanBerry said:
If I were Idzik/Woody, I'd take the Bucs 2014 1st rounder in a cocaine heartbeat, which is reportedly one offer on the table. I don't see why they are holding out for the 2013 1st rounder. The conventional wisdom about discounting the future really doesn't hold if you know that you're going to suck in the present anyway. If they're building for the future, its actually better to have a cost controlled player from 2014-2017 than from 2013-2016. Further, while you may end up with a slightly worse pick than the #13 the Bucs hold this year, next year's draft is absolutely stacked at the top, including tons of QB talent, and there is a non-negligible chance that things go badly in Tampa this season and you end up in the Top 10 in a loaded draft.
tims4wins said:
I'd guess he took a cut because they threatened cutting him and he gets nothing. Then, they tell him the market for a still injured WR with ego issues doesn't exist.
soxfan121 said:
Yeah, but the point is that a smart team shouldn't want to spread the cap hit over two seasons. They should want to take all the medicine now, when they know that they're going to be awful, and then try to bounce back starting in 2014.
NYJetsCap,com has them at ~$8M available. Taking the whole Sanchez hit now would decrease that by $4.8M, not leaving them with enough $ to actually field a team, given the holes they have on the roster.
I think they would take the $17.1M hit now if they had gotten any money back on the Holmes restructure (details not yet available) and there's another $1M to be gained by cutting Tebow. But that's it. There's no other cuts they can make to create more room this season (ok, Howard & Cumberland but that again leads to the "can't field a team" problem).
EDIT: The $4.8M "saved" by waiting until June should be enough to get 4-5 replacement level "starters" onto the roster.
I think they would take the $17.1M hit now if they had gotten any money back on the Holmes restructure (details not yet available) and there's another $1M to be gained by cutting Tebow. But that's it. There's no other cuts they can make to create more room this season (ok, Howard & Cumberland but that again leads to the "can't field a team" problem).
EDIT: The $4.8M "saved" by waiting until June should be enough to get 4-5 replacement level "starters" onto the roster.
Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
I don't disagree with your logic at all. In fact, I agree. What worries me is that I wonder if the Jets are holding out for the #1 this year so they can have someone to promote. This team has zero players you would point to as any sort of face of the franchise. If they had 2 Top 13 picks in this years, that could be building blocks to promote. Maybe I am being cynical but after the Tebow Circus and the serious attendance problems they will have this year, Woody may be desperate to fill seats.
I like all the moves that Idzik is making this year (not as a Pats fan). Not picking up Alex Smith or trading for Matt Flynn are best moves NOT made.
He's going to take at least 2 years to clean up Tanny's mess, and getting rid of the veterans with (slightly above) average production are the first tasks to complete.
As far as Rex, why would you fire him and pay another HC's salary? And what aspiring/good coach would come into the situation now? Having no franchise QB is a sure deterrent in attracting top HC talent.
2 more things Idzik can do -- trade Revis, and trade out of the 1st altogether and get a future #1s and #2s to stockpile more picks.
Oh and Jets pick up Mike Goodson - first FA signed: https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/312567208712757248
He's going to take at least 2 years to clean up Tanny's mess, and getting rid of the veterans with (slightly above) average production are the first tasks to complete.
As far as Rex, why would you fire him and pay another HC's salary? And what aspiring/good coach would come into the situation now? Having no franchise QB is a sure deterrent in attracting top HC talent.
2 more things Idzik can do -- trade Revis, and trade out of the 1st altogether and get a future #1s and #2s to stockpile more picks.
Oh and Jets pick up Mike Goodson - first FA signed: https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/312567208712757248
Goodson deal is 3 years/6.9 mill. So they basically swapped Shonn Greene (3 yrs/10 mill with 4.5 guaranteed) for Goodson. Greene obviously much more dependable (believe it or not, he's had 1000+ yards rushing the last 2 years) for Goodson who has more upside but a riskier play overall.
Sure, why not. I guess.
Another point to SSF's. Someone asked why not fire Rex earlier. Maybe they know they are going to tank bad this year and it's easier to get a BIG name coach if you have the #1 pick next year. Maybe that is Woody's angle?
Sure, why not. I guess.
Another point to SSF's. Someone asked why not fire Rex earlier. Maybe they know they are going to tank bad this year and it's easier to get a BIG name coach if you have the #1 pick next year. Maybe that is Woody's angle?
SeanBerry said:
That may be the best sign that Idzik is given more control that what it seemed like when he first got the gig.
I mean, all the tell-tale signs are there. Rex not invited to meetings, not involved in (supposed) Revis trade talks despite the public plea, getting rid of even good, solid vets like Pouha and DeVito, all say they not only think they're tanking in 2013, they are proactively working at it.
I wish Tanny/Rex shitshow would continue for a couple of years: sign a non-franchise QB for $$$, reach for a WR in the draft (still may happen), Rex mouths off at the podium (I'll really miss that), Woody pulls the strings for a big-name FAs, etc. etc., but sadly all good things must come to an end.
As I mentioned a few weeks ago, I'm impressed by Idzik so far.
SeanBerry said:
Just that I still hate you. You haven't been around BbtL lately (shocking), and I didn't want that vitriol to fade because of time and distance.
Carry on.
Per Schefter, Jets sign Willie Colon on a 1.2m 1 year deal. Like I said, Idzik is doing a good job this offseason so far.
I just found this nugget in Walterfootball.com's mock draft:
"9 New York Jets: Jonathan Cooper, G/C, North Carolina
Yes, yes, I know, interior linemen don't go in the top 10. But please keep this in mind: A) With Rex Ryan making the decisions (according to agents) and the new general manager being just a cap guy, the Jets are stupid enough to do something like this. .."
"9 New York Jets: Jonathan Cooper, G/C, North Carolina
Yes, yes, I know, interior linemen don't go in the top 10. But please keep this in mind: A) With Rex Ryan making the decisions (according to agents) and the new general manager being just a cap guy, the Jets are stupid enough to do something like this. .."
There is no way the offense doesn't suck. Distancing yourself from that mess is logical.
As is calling the plays. Because the defense will probably improve and that ensures he gets another job as a DC right away, if not as a head coach. His explanation for his issues offensively is "Sanchez" and "Tannenbaum made me".
Rex is still a great defensive coach.
As is calling the plays. Because the defense will probably improve and that ensures he gets another job as a DC right away, if not as a head coach. His explanation for his issues offensively is "Sanchez" and "Tannenbaum made me".
Rex is still a great defensive coach.
soxfan121 said:
Agree with the last statement, but abandoning the offense when you are the head coach is the best way to NOT get another DC job---no one wants a guy who throws up his hands and gives up, and that's really what you are advocating. As the head coach, you own the results of the offense either way; the only reason to stay out of it is if you're sure someone else is better at it (which may be the case with Rex).
Do you think Bill Walsh in his prime could make tasty dinner with the stale, stinky ingredients assembled for the Jets offense?
I think some owner will buy "I tried, but Sanchez was a failure and Woodie/Tannenbaum didn't want to give up." I bet the owner nods knowingly - he's met Woodie.
He's a defensive HC - he should focus on defense.
I think some owner will buy "I tried, but Sanchez was a failure and Woodie/Tannenbaum didn't want to give up." I bet the owner nods knowingly - he's met Woodie.
He's a defensive HC - he should focus on defense.
soxfan121 said:
With the important caveat that simply getting Revis back will be a huge boon (though it's not clear if he'll be back with the Jets), the bolded may not be true. So far, it certainly hasn't improved personnel-wise. They've lost or cut 6/11 (well, really 6/10 non-Revis) of their starting defensive players.
Here is whom the defense has lost, with their Scouts Inc. rating (for what it's worth). An asterisk indicates cut but hasn't signed elsewhere yet, so could in principle come back. A £ indicates starter (according to espn.com's depth chart - I've put too much time into this post as it is to dig deeper).
£ L. Landry (S) 78
*£ B. Scott (LB) 73
£ Y. Bell (S) 69
*£ C. Pace (LB) 69
*£ S. Pouha (DT) 69
* E. Smith (S) 68
£ M. DeVito (DE) 67
and some other muck with rating < 65.
Here is whom they've added with rating > 65:
A. Garay (DL) 72
Source: http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/freeagency/index?year=2013&team=20
They will need bodies to replace the cut players, but it'll be tough to do in FA due to their cap issues. The one thing they do have going for them is their allotment of draft picks. They have one in each round, all in the range of 7-10th pick of the round. Their 1st is 9th overall.
Anyone know what their current cap looks like, i.e., post cuts?
PedroKsBambino said:
Having a great defense when your team that does poorly because of a terrible offense is a good way to not get another HC job.
You're of course right that he can't overtly to throw up his hands and give up.
To me though it seems like Rex is being pretty rational. Let's assume he's given up on the team and it's going to be terrible. So he's going to get fired and he's not going to get another HC job next year. Then, the best way for him to be employed next year is to angle for a DC job, and the best way to do that is to make sure the Jets defense is as good as possible. While giving the offense only enough lip service so it doesn't seem like he's given up.
PedroKsBambino said:
Well this is Rex, after all, one of the master self-promoters of our times. No one's seemed to really blame him for the offensive disasters of the last two season even though he's the HC; it's been Schotty, Sparano, and Sanchez who've taken all the blame. Why wouldn't he disavow the worst part of his team? He's not an idiot, he knows full well this is likely to be his last year in NY and his team's going to suck horribly. He's gotten this far in life by bullshitting his way around responsibility for poor performances, it makes sense to me he'd continue to do so.
I know i'm probably in the minority and am letting my dislike for his act cloud my judgement but I don;t know how great of a defensive coach he even is. During his time in Baltimore he was blessed with Ray Lewis and Ed Reed in their primes and in NY he's had Revis.soxfan121 said:
I know he was sans Revis last year and metrics show that they still had a good D but I would like to see what he can do without the benefit of generational talent on his side of the ball.
steveluck7 said:
This is like doubting Phil Jackson or Red Auerbach's talents as a coach because they had all the talent. Yes, you might be right that with no talent, they'd be assclowns instead of Hall of Famers but it's just a thought exercise.
Rex has coached lots of very, very good defenses. Those defenses have had good talent. But don't make the mistake of assuming it is 100% ingredients, 0% chef.
soxfan121 said:
Of course he's never been even the DC of a SB winning team. Marvin Lewis was the DC for Baltimore when they won their first one.