2014 Jets: Report -- Rex & Idzik both to be let go

Reverend · Nov 30, 2014

He may be very good, even top tier, but I wonder if some of his specific flaws put a ceiling on his teams that would make it more worth it to take the odds of a lesser coach out-performing him for a season if the goal really is the Super Bowl.

I mean, tattooing your iffy QB's jersey on your arm is insane. And more importantly, it doesn't push the qb competition.

soxhop411 · Dec 1, 2014

“@RapSheet: #Jets coach Rex Ryan: “Man, I can’t believe we’re 2-10. A joke.””
Wow.

soxhop411 · Dec 1, 2014

I can't believe they showed this on tv

swiftaw · Dec 1, 2014

soxhop411 said:
I can't believe they showed this on tv

Tirico even commented on it, saying something like "We assume the beer belonged to an adult"

GeorgeCostanza · Dec 2, 2014

Anything to get through a Jets game I suppose

Leather · Dec 2, 2014

This is new to me. Geno Smith in high school:

Smiling Joe Hesketh · Dec 2, 2014

So Idzik apparently tells Rex to start Geno so he can get more experience this year and develop, with an eye for next year.

Rex and pals promptly run the ball 49 times against Miami.

I mean, is he trying to get fired this week instead of after the season?

ShaneTrot · Dec 2, 2014

Just absurd football. Trying to constantly run against 8 and 9 man fronts. The Jets had no pass play that could loosen up the Phins in the second half?

DanoooME · Dec 2, 2014

The best part will be when they draft Jameis Winston and go through the whole experience again. Winston makes the same terrible decisions Geno makes and tries to get away with things with his athletic ability. You can pull that shit off in college, but you'll get killed in the NFL for it.

ShaneTrot · Dec 2, 2014

From ESPN and ELIAS:

The Jets lost to the Dolphins on Monday despite running for 277 yards. Before tonight, NFL teams that ran for at least 275 yards had a combined .948 winning percentage.

IdiotKicker · Dec 2, 2014

Yeah the 2014 Jets definitely are in that bottom 5% of NFL teams.

Ed Hillel · Dec 2, 2014

Chuck Z said:
Yeah the 2014 Jets definitely are in that bottom 5% of NFL teams.

Come on, let's be fair, they're probably better than the Raiders, Bucs, and Jags, which puts them around the bottom 8-10%.

Or do you mean ever? Still probably not, but they sure do suck. The best part is that they've had the same problem for 5 years and still haven't done a damn thing about it.

Jnai · Dec 2, 2014

Ed Hillel said:
Come on, let's be fair, they're probably better than the Raiders, Bucs, and Jags, which puts them around the bottom 8-10%.

Or do you mean ever? Still probably not, but they sure do suck. The best part is that they've had the same problem for 5 years and still haven't done a damn thing about it.

The post earlier showed that teams that rushed for 300 yards won 95% of the time. The jets were in the 5% of teams that somehow snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

Holy hell is this team bad.

Ed Hillel · Dec 2, 2014

Jnai said:
The post earlier showed that teams that rushed for 300 yards won 95% of the time. The jets were in the 5% of teams that somehow snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

Holy hell is this team bad.

I know. Suffice it to just say that the Jets really suck, and it starts with they head coach. Crazy thing is that if you asked me to put even money on it, I'd wager Rex has another head coaching job within a few years. His brash personality has allure to NFL owners.

DJnVa · Dec 2, 2014

Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
So Idzik apparently tells Rex to start Geno so he can get more experience this year and develop, with an eye for next year.

Rex and pals promptly run the ball 49 times against Miami.

I mean, is he trying to get fired this week instead of after the season?

Maybe he wants Xmas off.

If he feels emasculated, why should he care? If he had to start Geno, he figured the best way to win was with running, and it almost worked. If someone wants to dictate his starters AND his game plan, he should bail.

Silverdude2167 · Dec 2, 2014

Would anyone want Rex as the DC under BB?
I know it won't ever happen, but that would be some scary defensive minds working together. Maybe BB could even teach him how to be a good HC.

Morgan's Magic Snowplow · Dec 2, 2014

Silverdude2167 said:
Would anyone want Rex as the DC under BB?
I know it won't ever happen, but that would be some scary defensive minds working together. Maybe BB could even teach him how to be a good HC.

Nope. Rex has way too much ego to work under a defensive-minded HC who is going to be highly involved on that side of the ball and get much of the credit when things go well. If he's going to be a DC, he needs a Dick Lebeau type situation.

Otis Foster · Dec 2, 2014

soxhop411 said:
I can't believe they showed this on tv

Rather than detention for trashing the gym, his teacher sentenced him to attending a Jests game.

Smiling Joe Hesketh · Dec 2, 2014

Silverdude2167 said:
Would anyone want Rex as the DC under BB?
I know it won't ever happen, but that would be some scary defensive minds working together. Maybe BB could even teach him how to be a good HC.

No. Rex might be a good DC, but he's far too much of an egoist and opportunist to work in NE under a head coach with total control. The one thing Rex looks out for at all times is himself.

dcmissle · Dec 2, 2014

Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
No. Rex might be a good DC, but he's far too much of an egoist and opportunist to work in NE under a head coach with total control. The one thing Rex looks out for at all times is himself.

Except that he did it for years under another supreme egoist in Baltimore, Brian Billick. We seldom heard from him. Even when bitterly disappointed after being turned down for the HC gig in favor of Harbaugh, he kept his mouth shut, did a fine job and parlayed that into the Jets job.

He is smart and capable, and in the present job this whole persona thing was exactly what Woody wanted.

But it won't happen in NE, I agree.

Someone will get a great defensive coach.

TheRooster · Dec 2, 2014

Now that he's had a taste of the big job and the big money, I can't see him being happy for long as a DC.

pappymojo · Dec 2, 2014

I could see him in Indianapolis.

PBDWake · Dec 2, 2014

I, for one, can't wait for the Harbaugh/RG3 era in New York.

soxfan121 · Dec 2, 2014

pappymojo said:
I could see him in Indianapolis.

Pagano and Ryan have no prior history; Pagano replaced Ryan after the latter departed for New York and they have never overlapped.

I'm gonna guess Rex replaces Marvin Lewis as HC of the Bengals; further, if things go south (as I expect) over the last month in Cincy, I could see them trading multiple future #1 picks to Oakland for the #1 overall pick, drafting Mariota and dumping Dalton. That team would be the offseason BOMB.

Marciano490 · Dec 2, 2014

Eric Decker haz sad:

http://nypost.com/2014/12/02/wife-eric-decker-depressed-over-awful-jets/

“He’s been, I don’t want to say depressed, but he’s been depressed. He has been. It’s been really hard and my heart breaks for him. He loves football more than anything. He’s obsessed with football. This is his life and he loves it so much and it’s hard for him. He’s so talented and so good at what he does and he’s not really able to show his ability right now and he has a lot of doubters and that hurts him.”

TomRicardo · Dec 2, 2014

soxfan121 said:
Pagano and Ryan have no prior history; Pagano replaced Ryan after the latter departed for New York and they have never overlapped.

I'm gonna guess Rex replaces Marvin Lewis as HC of the Bengals; further, if things go south (as I expect) over the last month in Cincy, I could see them trading multiple future #1 picks to Oakland for the #1 overall pick, drafting Mariota and dumping Dalton. That team would be the offseason BOMB.

I didn't realize the owners in Cincinati wanted to be the laughing stock of the NFL so bad. This would be disastrous

Leather · Dec 2, 2014

Marciano490 said:
Eric Decker haz sad:

http://nypost.com/2014/12/02/wife-eric-decker-depressed-over-awful-jets/

This guy reminds me of Johnny Damon. "Duuuhhhh...I didn't realize that signing with X team would have predictable and unpleasant consequences!"

Shelterdog · Dec 2, 2014

dcmissle said:
Except that he did it for years under another supreme egoist in Baltimore, Brian Billick. We seldom heard from him. Even when bitterly disappointed after being turned down for the HC gig in favor of Harbaugh, he kept his mouth shut, did a fine job and parlayed that into the Jets job.

He is smart and capable, and in the present job this whole persona thing was exactly what Woody wanted.

But it won't happen in NE, I agree.

Someone will get a great defensive coach.

I doubt it happens but I think he'd be fine NE for a year or two as kind of an image rehab assignment-he's smart, talented and despite the snark he really respects BB.

dcmissle · Dec 2, 2014

Shelterdog said:
I doubt it happens but I think he'd be fine NE for a year or two as kind of an image rehab assignment-he's smart, talented and despite the snark he really respects BB.

It's scary to think of those two collaborating on schemes, tactics and game plans.

54thMA · Dec 2, 2014

Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
So Idzik apparently tells Rex to start Geno so he can get more experience this year and develop, with an eye for next year.

Rex and pals promptly run the ball 49 times against Miami.

I mean, is he trying to get fired this week instead of after the season?

Next thing you know, he'll tie the Super Bowl III trophy to his bumper and drag it around the parking lot at the stadium while wearing a Joe Namath jersey.

Super Nomario · Dec 2, 2014

TheoShmeo said:
Then today an article appeared in the NY Post in which "confidants" of Rex said that Idzik planned to fire Rex all along after the season and Rex has known about it from sources around the league.

http://nypost.com/2014/11/25/rex-has-known-all-season-idzik-planned-to-fire-him-source/

This wouldn't surprise me at all, and is indicative of the general dysfunction around the organization. You either have to let the GM pick his coach, or you have to let the coach pick the GM / personnel director. Otherwise, who is accountable? Who's making decisions? I don't think either Idzik or Ryan have distinguished themselves the past couple seasons, but the problem starts at the top with the owner.

SeoulSoxFan said:
I'm with Shelter on this. Still about 1.5% chance it happens but if Rex follows his head then learning from the Master for a couple of years is exactly what he needs.

In fact, that seems to be the best way to ensure that he has a long & successful HC career. Although I've no doubt he'll be hired again as a HC in 2015, his obvious flaws can be fixed -- and can't ask for a better education than working under BB.

Don't forget that Rob was on the Patriots staff from 2000-2003. Belichick has a lot of respect for the Ryans. Like you and SD, I find this unlikely.

soxfan121 · Dec 2, 2014

TomRicardo said:
I didn't realize the owners in Cincinati wanted to be the laughing stock of the NFL so bad. This would be disastrous

Really? Are you new to football or something? The owner of Cincinnati, Mike Brown, has been the laughingstock of the NFL for going on twenty-five years now.

Rudy's Curve · Dec 2, 2014

soxfan121 said:
Pagano and Ryan have no prior history; Pagano replaced Ryan after the latter departed for New York and they have never overlapped.

I'm gonna guess Rex replaces Marvin Lewis as HC of the Bengals; further, if things go south (as I expect) over the last month in Cincy, I could see them trading multiple future #1 picks to Oakland for the #1 overall pick, drafting Mariota and dumping Dalton. That team would be the offseason BOMB.

Slightly off-topic in the Jets thread, but even if things go south (although I disagree), there's very little chance they fire Lewis and less than zero chance they trade multiple ones.

Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt · Dec 2, 2014

In what world is it considerable that Belichick would decide to remove DC duties from a loyal (and successful) lieutenant like Matt Patricia in favor of Rex Ryan, even if Rex is on his triple best behavior?

There is not a slight chance, and it's not merely "pretty unlikely," it's a non-starter that I suppose is a little fun to talk about.

Edit clarity

Morgan's Magic Snowplow · Dec 2, 2014

Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt said:
In what world is it considerable that Belichick would decide to remove DC duties from a loyal (and successful) lieutenant like Matt Patricia in favor of Rex Ryan, even if Rex is on his triple best behavior?

Yeah, that will never happen. Belichick clearly loves Matty P.

Marciano490 · Dec 2, 2014

Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
Yeah, that will never happen. Belichick clearly loves Matty P.

What if Patricia gets the Jets HC job, though?

You think of that, pal?

dynomite · Dec 2, 2014

Rudy said:
Slightly off-topic in the Jets thread, but even if things go south (although I disagree), there's very little chance they fire Lewis and less than zero chance they trade multiple ones.

Agreed. The NFL might be a bottom line league, but the Bengals have made the playoffs 4 of the last 5 years. I would be surprised if Lewis goes.

I think Rex gets another head coaching gig next year. If I had to guess, I think he gets one of the Bay Area jobs.

Shelterdog · Dec 2, 2014

Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
Yeah, that will never happen. Belichick clearly loves Matty P.

If it happened--and it wouldn't--Matty P would stay DC and REx would be something like "Assistant Head coach/Secondary" or something. Like BB in '96 and like Capers in 2008.

TheoShmeo · Dec 2, 2014

I was thinking about that same scenario as Shelterdog and agree that it wont happen. Rexy will have several DC offers and maybe even some HC offers after this season. I don't believe that Capers was in that position in 2008.

There are other reasons it wont happen, including those that have been mentioned and the simple fact that I can't see him willing to be subservient to Belichick after all the "kiss the ring" nonsense over the last several years.

When I first read that quote about Decker, I thought it was about Rex. I don't recall ever having seen a HC look as depressed as Rex did after the last two games in his post game conferences. He seemed near tears after this last one. Just a totally beaten down man. It ALMOST made me feel sorry for him.

PedroKsBambino · Dec 2, 2014

Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
So Idzik apparently tells Rex to start Geno so he can get more experience this year and develop, with an eye for next year.

Rex and pals promptly run the ball 49 times against Miami.

I mean, is he trying to get fired this week instead of after the season?

I'd guess he's trying to set up a storyline that 'management' interfered with him and that is why his teams couldn't take the next step, and eventually declined. There's already clearly a set of 'reporters' in NY who owe him favors, so any facts that are consistent with that story will be gobbled up and regurgitated in print, I'm sure.

I don't think there's many, perhaps any, serious NFL people who will buy that. But you never know...

soxfan121 · Dec 2, 2014

Rudy's Curve said:
Slightly off-topic in the Jets thread, but even if things go south (although I disagree), there's very little chance they fire Lewis and less than zero chance they trade multiple ones.

Hey, it worked!! ;-)

And I'd be rooting for the story.

Smiling Joe Hesketh · Dec 2, 2014

PedroKsBambino said:
I'd guess he's trying to set up a storyline that 'management' interfered with him and that is why his teams couldn't take the next step, and eventually declined. There's already clearly a set of 'reporters' in NY who owe him favors, so any facts that are consistent with that story will be gobbled up and regurgitated in print, I'm sure.

I don't think there's many, perhaps any, serious NFL people who will buy that. But you never know...

Which gets back to my other point that Rex is just in it for himself at this point. Probably always has been. The GM tells him to play the kid at QB and Rex runs the ball almost 50 times so Smith gets no reps at all, just so Rex can "try to win" and try to show Geno was forced on him (which is a crock of shit.)

The Ryans are all the same.

TomRicardo · Dec 2, 2014

soxfan121 said:
Really? Are you new to football or something? The owner of Cincinnati, Mike Brown, has been the laughingstock of the NFL for going on twenty-five years now.

Laughingstock? More like the captain of Meh.

Seriously the Bengals have had the same coach for 12 years and have played .571 football under him (though never winning a playoff game). Why would the owner suddenly dump the guy and their decent to good QB while mortgaging his team's entire future to grab a trainwreck coach with inability to train QBs and a rookie QB?

Though Mike Brown has been "GM", he has not really interfered with Marvin Lewis. Christ the Bengals are having their fourth straight winning season. Only Pats and Packers have longer winning season streaks (Packers went 8-7-1 one year, also the 49ers are two wins away from tying Bengals for four straight).

Most NFL teams would kill to have four straight winning seasons. The Packers only have six and are the second longest streak.

mcpickl · Dec 2, 2014

Silverdude2167 said:
Would anyone want Rex as the DC under BB?
I know it won't ever happen, but that would be some scary defensive minds working together. Maybe BB could even teach him how to be a good HC.

Nope.

It's crazy to me that the Ryan brothers are trumpeted as defensive geniuses by the media incessantly. Amazing what can happen when you're quotable.

After Rex left Baltimore, that defense hummed right along playing at basically the same level they were with him until they finally lost their core to age. Since Rex has been with the Jets, his team has given up 120 more points than the Patriots have playing basically the same schedule. (Save for Pats D getting to face Jets O and vice versa, and 2 easier games for Jets each year. Probably balances out) Yet the Jets defense is considered tough while the Patriots has been considered a weak link.

Rob is even worse. This is his 11th year as a defensive coordinator, he's made the playoffs once and been in the top ten in defensive points allowed once, both last season. If his name were Rob Adams he'd be coaching in high school.

(I know the conversation is just about Rex, couldn't resist taking a shot at Rob along the way)

Tony C · Dec 2, 2014

2 for 1, go for it, they are peas in a pods -- overrated blowhards who are better politicians than coaches.

Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt said:
In what world is it considerable that Belichick would decide to remove DC duties from a loyal (and successful) lieutenant like Matt Patricia in favor of Rex Ryan, even if Rex is on his triple best behavior?

There is not a slight chance, and it's not merely "pretty unlikely," it's a non-starter that I suppose is a little fun to talk about.

Edit clarity

Shelterdog said:
If it happened--and it wouldn't--Matty P would stay DC and REx would be something like "Assistant Head coach/Secondary" or something. Like BB in '96 and like Capers in 2008.

That is a terrible idea that would never even be considered. I don't get the Rex love -- yes, his teams play the Pats well, but basically he took over a talented team and ran it into the ground. There's blame to go around -- the owner for having too much faith in Rex, Tanny for deferring too much to Rex, accepting his evaluation of Sanchez, and overspending so he could have more toys, and Idzik for having had a poor draft this past season. But Rex is the constant who has had the most power in the organization, has run the defense down while continuing to insist it be the focus of drafts, and shown zero ability to develop a QB and adjust his offenses to 21st century NFL football.

His one and only top-flight skill is planting stories in the NY Post to undermine everyone who works under him (the OCs) and over him (the GMs -- it's hilarious to me that Idzik has been turned into villain #1 for Jets fans when he's had the least to do with creating this mess).

On what planet would BB make him the #2 guy in the great Pats organization? Rex is the polar opposition of every quality that has made the Pats the class of the league.

leftfieldlegacy · Dec 2, 2014

I can't see Rex returning next season as a DC. I also think he is too damaged to get a HC job for 2015.
I'd guess that he ends up doing in-studio TV for a year. He can rehabilitate his image and still collect a few million from the Jets.
By 2016, he'll have head coaching offers.

Marciano490 · Dec 2, 2014

Rex seems like someone who could succeed in college for a bit. He'd probably have the team and boosters wrapped around his little finger - and, while I'm just a casual fan - it seems like a great D can take you further in college than the pros. At one point Alabama, Miss. St. and Ole Miss were top ten teams and none of them seem to get much from their QB.

Shelterdog · Dec 3, 2014

Tony C said:
2 for 1, go for it, they are peas in a pods -- overrated blowhards who are better politicians than coaches.

That is a terrible idea that would never even be considered. I don't get the Rex love -- yes, his teams play the Pats well, but basically he took over a talented team and ran it into the ground. There's blame to go around -- the owner for having too much faith in Rex, Tanny for deferring too much to Rex, accepting his evaluation of Sanchez, and overspending so he could have more toys, and Idzik for having had a poor draft this past season. But Rex is the constant who has had the most power in the organization, has run the defense down while continuing to insist it be the focus of drafts, and shown zero ability to develop a QB and adjust his offenses to 21st century NFL football.

His one and only top-flight skill is planting stories in the NY Post to undermine everyone who works under him (the OCs) and over him (the GMs -- it's hilarious to me that Idzik has been turned into villain #1 for Jets fans when he's had the least to do with creating this mess).

On what planet would BB make him the #2 guy in the great Pats organization? Rex is the polar opposition of every quality that has made the Pats the class of the league.

You'd hire him because he's an awesome defensive coach. If you don't think he's a great defensive coach then we'll just agree to disagree.

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