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snowmanny said:
Whoa whoa whoa, some new information there in that article...
What the hell? I never heard it was anywhere near that dire.
2014 Jets: Report -- Rex & Idzik both to be let go
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Whoa whoa whoa, some new information there in that article...
What the hell? I never heard it was anywhere near that dire.
I agree with the substance of this post but a fair analysis of the Jets defensive performance against the Pats would take out touchdowns the Pats scored on special teams and defense. For example, the Buttfumble and kickoff returns etc.. Overall, I agree with SJH's point though. There is usually one close game and one blow out per season between the teams.Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
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DrewDawg said:
No, I knew he was badly injured but didn't know it was life-threatening. "almost died in the ambulance" was a significant upgrade to how severe I recalled it being.
Luis Taint said:
For various reasons already recounted in this thread, this will never ever ever ever EVER happen.
I'm with you. I do recall the injury being called as potentially life threatening. However, I've never heard "almost died in the ambulance" before. That's a very different description than what we've heard in the past.MentalDisabldLst said:
Anyway, Rex will get a job, doing something, somewhere. Lots of coaches are disasters in their first gig, and then learn from it later on. He certainly will get a coordinator job if he wanted that. There is zero chance of his coming to New England, so posters should not even bother posting such talk.
If you enjoy this thread, this article is well worth a read!
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/12052005/bill-belichick-exit-was-worst-day-new-york-jets-history?ex_cid=espnapi_public
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/12052005/bill-belichick-exit-was-worst-day-new-york-jets-history?ex_cid=espnapi_public
There is one big problem with Ian O'Connor's alt history posted by Pedro -- it assumes that the ingredients for success were there in NY as they were in NE. But we know BB did not believe that to be the case. In fact, we know that BB believed that he was being set up by Parcells, who would be pulling strings offstage in a manner that Kraft never contemplated. And we know that BB considered the Jets' hierarchy unstable.
People do not for the fun of it pen very awkward one sentence resignations: I hereby resign as HC of the NYJs. Kraft offered BB something very different and more valuable than the snake pit he was facing in NY. There is little reason to believe that the great success earned here would have been enjoyed there. BB could well have been 2-and-done as HC and spent the rest of his career as a coordinator.
As for "bandwagon" Pats fans, it is a complete myth. It is true that there were a ton of Giants fans in NE during the first decade or so of the Pats existence, when the AFL was struggling to achieve parity with the NFL and when Giants games were pumped into NE every single week by CBS. But by the early 1970s, and certainly by the time that the Pats got good in the 70s, everything shifted. So we're talking about 40 years, many pretty bad during the first 20, almost all very good during the last 20.
People do not for the fun of it pen very awkward one sentence resignations: I hereby resign as HC of the NYJs. Kraft offered BB something very different and more valuable than the snake pit he was facing in NY. There is little reason to believe that the great success earned here would have been enjoyed there. BB could well have been 2-and-done as HC and spent the rest of his career as a coordinator.
As for "bandwagon" Pats fans, it is a complete myth. It is true that there were a ton of Giants fans in NE during the first decade or so of the Pats existence, when the AFL was struggling to achieve parity with the NFL and when Giants games were pumped into NE every single week by CBS. But by the early 1970s, and certainly by the time that the Pats got good in the 70s, everything shifted. So we're talking about 40 years, many pretty bad during the first 20, almost all very good during the last 20.
dcmissle said:
The fact of the matter is that all of the evidence suggests that the ownership--the one thing that cannot be overhauled (under existing owndership)--is the problem... to the point that Belichick absolutely bolted for Kraft in New England.
Jets fans have no hope for the foreseeable future.
dcmissle said:
It's weird that people don't see the more macro causes of things like radio and tv development as a big part of football fandom demographics. I guess people prefer the meaner narratives.
The force is strong with this one: http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/jets-rookie-were-best-3-12-team-history-nfl
Bonus: Even TGG is embarrassed: http://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/guess-who-said-it-were-probably-the-best-3-12-in-nfl-history.82900/
Bonus: Even TGG is embarrassed: http://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/guess-who-said-it-were-probably-the-best-3-12-in-nfl-history.82900/
http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/ryan-jets-toughest-brady-whether-he-admits-it-or-not
Congrats, Rex! Print that out and hang it on your wall next to your AFC finalist plaques.
This fucking team. They lost, are in the midst of what would be one of the worst seasons in most franchises' histories, and still can't stop crowing about how awesome they are. Maybe if they were just honest with themselves once in awhile (starting with Rex), they'd be a little better off.
Yeah, I saw that last night. That quote pretty much perfectly encapsulates Rex. The Jets lead the league in moral victories during the Rex Ryan era.
Ralphwiggum said:
He's not even correct. NE is 9-4 against the Jets since Rex became the head coach. .692 winning percentage.
But against the Ravens over the same time frame NE is only 4-3. Against Denver they're 5-2. Against Miami they're 9-3. Against the Giants they're 0-2. There are other teams that NE has had struggles with. Rex, as usual, is taking the opportunity to puff himself up as his team once again fails to do anything productive over the course of a season. He's pretty much the last guy in the entire league I'd ever give a job, even as a defensive coordinator. Every indication is that he gives a shit about nothing but himself, just like all Ryans.
What a goddamn fraud.
To be fair, Rex didn't say anything about the outcome of games, just that Brady has struggled more against his defenses than against any other team.
I googled around and searched Football Reference and did not see a relatively simple way of checking that.
I googled around and searched Football Reference and did not see a relatively simple way of checking that.
"To be fair"....no. His team's 3 and fucking 12 and he's trying to boost his own reputation in the wake of another ballbreaking loss. He's a raging egomaniac and a horrible choice for any other remotely serious about winning.
loshjott said:
Brady's QB rating against the Jets is 91.0. He has a career rating lower than 91.0 against 8 other teams in the NFL. That's 25% of the league.
Now, I don't have the time to look at how Brady has performed since Rex became HC of the Jet's, but there is a way to figure that stuff out.
loshjott said:
Right, but...so what?
Imagine this sort of posturing applied in other contexts.
"Ryan, you failed to meet your sales goals for the 3rd consecutive year. In fact, this year you're close to the bottom of the list."
"Well, boss, hey. That maybe true, but I sure went toe-to-toe with that hardass over at ACME trying to get him to sign our contract, whether he admits it or not!"
Stitch01 said:
A whopping 1.2 points lower than his average.
He sure knows how to keep Brady in check!
Is that chronological, oldest to newest? If so, that seems to indicate that Rex climbed the Brady curve, better than Brady climbed the Rex curve. And if so, props to Rex finding ways to lose 9 of 13 games.Stitch01 said:
No, its just in order of how good the performance was. In order it was the Monday night massacre in 2010, buttfumble, the 2011 game where two starters on defense had literally no photo/video for intros, first game this year, first game in 2011 (BJGE had a bunch of runs to close it out IIRC), second game 2009, OT win 2012, playoff game, yesterday, first game 2010, the rainstorm game last year, the OT loss last year, and the worst was the first game between the two teams in 2009
That search did miss the playoff game, but his rating was an 89 so wont change results much.
That search did miss the playoff game, but his rating was an 89 so wont change results much.
Kenny F'ing Powers said:
Not sure if it is meaningful, but looking at those numbers, the thing that jumped out to me is the downward trend.
edit: never mind, I thought ratings were chronological.
I use the Game Play Finder to check such a stat. Here I would select all games, including playoffs, with the New England offense and the Jets defense, pass plays only, and with Tom Brady involved. The results come out:loshjott said:
http://pfref.com/tiny/2xYFc
From 2009 to 2014 (when Rex was coach), Tom Brady has a 91.0 rating against the Jets.
It's your classic one sided statement. Not only does he say it, but he offsets the chance the reporters would stampede to the other locker room and put Brady on the spot. Diffused the back and forth with the "whether he admits it or not". Truly odd that he'd bring Brady into it otherwise. I'm sure Tom has respect for the D's Rex has dialed up over the years. He clearly has had games where the looks were difficult to read pre-snap. I agree that he's got some defensive coaching talent, I also agree he never sets foot in the Patriots facility.
We can trash Rex all we want, but he it took two missed field goals to beat him this year. I, and many of us were worried, sans Edelman, about this game. He did give the Pats all they could handle and has been a tough opponent. Players in football like when you go after the other team. His hope of keeping his job is for the owner to buy into the idea that he is the guy that can beat the Pats. He hopes Brick's dad is thinking anybody can get me to 8-8, but if we can get talent Rexie is the guy that can get me over the hump.
reggiecleveland said:
FTFY.
He can't beat the Pats, though. He's 4 and fucking 9 against them. That's not beating anyone, that's getting your ass kicked year after year.
I guess Rex is the guy you want if your goal is to keep things close against your divisional rivals.
Divisional games should almost always be close regardless. He's not doing anything particularly special by keeping the games against the Pats close.
Divisional games should almost always be close regardless. He's not doing anything particularly special by keeping the games against the Pats close.
People like to throw the 45-3 game around in here, well that season ended with Rex beating the Pats in their own Stadium. Who else in the division has done that? Personally, I think whatever is going on constructing the Jets, especially at QB is terrible, and Rex's magic has worn off. You can divide it anyway you want, but if the Jets were so shitty and Rex is so terrible and BB so totally owns him it should not take two blocked kicks to beat the shitty Jets. Rex did a very good job with a gameplan and a getting his guys ready to play the Pats this year.
Curtis Pride said:
Thank you for that.
Same time period against the Ravens, Brady has a 73.4 rating, so FU Rex.
I'm not sure, but I'm guessing that if the Pats are down by two they don't take kneel downs on the last few snaps of the game yesterday.reggiecleveland said:
In the first game, Geno Smith played his best game of the year and had zero turnovers but the clock management by the Jets sucked and they lost as usual. It's not surprising they ended up ten yards short of a makable field goal because that's what they do.
Look, they played the Pats tough but those weren't fifty-fifty games.
Like a lot of teams, the Jets are a lot better when they don't turn the ball over:
Versus the Pats:
0 turnovers: won 28-14, won 28-21 (playoff upset), lost 30-21, lost 27-25 (Chris Jones block game)
1 turnover: won 16-9 (a Sanchize is born), won 30-27 (OT, Chris Jones penalty game), lost 17-16 (yesterday)
2 turnovers: lost 29-26 (OT)
3 turnovers: lost 45-3, lost 37-16 (the "s*** my d***" game)
4 turnovers: lost 13-10 (monsoon game last year)
5 turnovers: lost 31-14, lost 49-19 (buttfumble)
They're 4-3 when they turn the ball over once or fewer, with two of those losses this year (both close games). They're 0-6 against the Patriots when they turn the ball over twice or more, and it's only been close once when they turn the ball over three or more times.
FAKE EDIT: I'm not even sure who I'm responding to here, but I spent like 15 minutes on this so I'ma post it.
Versus the Pats:
0 turnovers: won 28-14, won 28-21 (playoff upset), lost 30-21, lost 27-25 (Chris Jones block game)
1 turnover: won 16-9 (a Sanchize is born), won 30-27 (OT, Chris Jones penalty game), lost 17-16 (yesterday)
2 turnovers: lost 29-26 (OT)
3 turnovers: lost 45-3, lost 37-16 (the "s*** my d***" game)
4 turnovers: lost 13-10 (monsoon game last year)
5 turnovers: lost 31-14, lost 49-19 (buttfumble)
They're 4-3 when they turn the ball over once or fewer, with two of those losses this year (both close games). They're 0-6 against the Patriots when they turn the ball over twice or more, and it's only been close once when they turn the ball over three or more times.
FAKE EDIT: I'm not even sure who I'm responding to here, but I spent like 15 minutes on this so I'ma post it.
reggiecleveland said:
And the game you reference was 4 years ago and fading fast. If the only thing a HC has to rest his laurels on is one game (that wasn't the SB) four years and one franchise QB ago, that that HC has done a horseshit job.
Rex's teams are more often than not absolutely terrible. Rex's record as a HC is a poor one. Rex's clubs have made zero progress forward since that one game four years ago. He sucks, the Jets suck, and moral victories suck the worst. And if he goes around bragging that he lost a bunch of close ones to the Pats, that's absolutely pathetic.
reggiecleveland said:
But so what? Give him both wins against the Pats this year and he's 5-10 instead of 3-12. That still sucks. His job is to coach the Jets to play against the entire NFL, not just the Pats.
We've re-hashed the same arguments over and over again in this thread. Yes, Rex is able to get his guys "up" for certain games. Yes, those games have sometimes come against the Pats. And yes, they had their one shining moment in Foxboro in the Divisional round four years ago. But even despite all of that, Rex has only managed a 9-4 record against the Pats in his tenure, pretty much identical to the record the Pats have against Miami during that time period (9-3). That's nothing special.
The fact that both games were close this year (and last year). Who cares? This is the NFL, being able to play close games against your divisional foes (and lose them) is not the mark of a good coach. He's below .500 during his time in New York, and hasn't been in the playoffs since the 2010 season. He's not the worst coach ever, but he's not proven that he's anything special either, close games against the Pats or not.
Rex gets way too much credit for his wins against New England. His divisional record as HC is 15-21, with 7 of those coming against Buffalo, 4 against Miami, and 4 against New England including the playoff matchup. The big thing to take out of those numbers is that despite all the hype and playing up every game against New England, why couldn't they put up more of a show against Miami? Miami has had some poor seasons in there.
If you want to contend for a championship, it all starts by taking care of business in your own division.
If you want to contend for a championship, it all starts by taking care of business in your own division.
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