Wrist tattoo is probably YOLO misspelled (LOYO!).
All he's missing is the Affliction t-shirt.
Alternate Brownstown uni!
All he's missing is the Affliction t-shirt.
Alternate Brownstown uni!
2014 Preseason Game Thread
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I just don't get the whole Manziel thing. I don't hate him or anything, I just don't care either way. I love the NFL but in this case I guess I am just missing the piece of this whole that that makes it so interesting.
Ralphwiggum said:
I agree, everything I've seen of Manziel is he is completely and horrifically over-rated based on 4-5 plays in college where he got shit lucky due to the defenses being undisciplined. He's going to get blown up consistently in the NFL, has slow reads and doesn't appear to be very bright - he constantly does things that will hurt his team in the long haul. He's the new Tebow, and thank god for that - because what would football be without ESPN running 24/7 about some over-hyped quarterback. Here's hoping he's thrown out in a year or two, and the actual quarterbacks drafted with him succeed.
I'm not even saying he's going to be good or not good in the NFL. Obviously he was a fantastic college player, and I've read the articles so I know about the off-the-field stuff. I just don't find it overwhelmingly interesting. I'm curious to see whether he can play in the NFL or not, but I just don't get why we have to follow his every move or why people are so interested in him specifically in this rookie class.
Well, fuck me then.DrewDawg said:Well, that's 2 posts you used to tell us something wasn't interesting
Ralphwiggum said:
Manzel is managing to bring down not only an NFL team but far-flung internet forums everywhere. Time for a quick network timeout.Dogman2 said:
I'd disagree and say Manziel makes Cleveland worth watching this season.
He may not be good, he may not make them any good but dammit, he will be interesting in a "what will he do next" routine.
He may not be good, he may not make them any good but dammit, he will be interesting in a "what will he do next" routine.
I kind of think the Browns ESPN guy pegs the whole Manziel-Hoyer situation pretty nicely with this:
http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/7327/what-to-do-about-hoyer-v-manziel
The take home is that the Browns are still a clueless organization, and really Pettine needs to take ownership for having turned this into a harmful spectacle. And he needs to end it now.
http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/7327/what-to-do-about-hoyer-v-manziel
The take home is that the Browns are still a clueless organization, and really Pettine needs to take ownership for having turned this into a harmful spectacle. And he needs to end it now.
Your right, I was on a moronic streak. Just feel he's overhyped, and sick of non stop coverage. Glad he isn't the future of the pats... Hope I'm very wrong for Clevelands sake they deserve a good team but I see him as Ryan leef all over again.DrewDawg said:
soxfan121 said:
I don't disagree at all. I would think Cleveland fans would easily give him a few seasons to develop further and overlook the immaturity aspects of him. The front office is another line of yeyo altogether.
If their front office drafted him and didn't expect him to take 2 or 3 years to develop then I think they are doing themselves and JF a disservice. Some QBs are more ready for action right away than others and JF is probably not one of them. Look at the factors against him: he left early for the draft, his system at TAMU is night and day from the one in Cleveland (he said that himself), and adjusting to the speed of the NFL is enough of a learning curve just by itself let alone if you have a semi-unique but potentially dangerous style of play like he does. I realize historically unsuccessful front offices might want immediate results to please the fans, even if they are a new regime, and that can lead to impatience. Hopefully he can develop at a good pace for him and he has a much better career than one of the 2013 Browns QBs from a former conference opponent (also a first round pick by them in the 20s).
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So Sam Bradford just limped off, the Redskins 1st team offense has yet to score a TD this entire preseason, and the world awaits to see if Michael Sam can sack Johnny Football.
In all, a pretty entertaining night of pre-season football.
In all, a pretty entertaining night of pre-season football.
They have three tough games (Pitt, NO and Baltimore) and then a bye. He's under center after bye week.BigSoxFan said:
@TroyRenck: Welker takes shot to head.. Comes out immediately after 15-yard penalty.Walked off under power, but always concern given concussion history
Welker being evaluated for a concussion. This wasn't even helmet to helmet contact either. Be surprised if he lasts the season.
I saw a couple replays of Manziel running in for that TD tonight and, because I was only half paying attention, assumed the Browns had come back to win late in the 4th or in overtime or something, based on Johnny Football's reaction, and that of his teammates.
Later, I saw the full highlights and realized the play occurred in the 3rd quarter, Browns down 14 or something, and...I don't know, there was, I suppose, a momentum shift (if one were to be generous) or maybe he sees it simply as a way to fire up his team (nope!) Should I be more understanding about the ridiculous Brady-scramble-TD-in-the-Snow-Game celebration that took place? Not saying he shouldn't be psyched or try to inject some energy into his team, but good Christ, that was pretty over the top. And then doing his little money gesture? For that? Really?
Not everybody hates this kid, nor should they, I guess, but if they do...they hate him for crap like that.
Later, I saw the full highlights and realized the play occurred in the 3rd quarter, Browns down 14 or something, and...I don't know, there was, I suppose, a momentum shift (if one were to be generous) or maybe he sees it simply as a way to fire up his team (nope!) Should I be more understanding about the ridiculous Brady-scramble-TD-in-the-Snow-Game celebration that took place? Not saying he shouldn't be psyched or try to inject some energy into his team, but good Christ, that was pretty over the top. And then doing his little money gesture? For that? Really?
Not everybody hates this kid, nor should they, I guess, but if they do...they hate him for crap like that.
Confirmed concussion, per beat writer. He's got to just about be done.RedOctober3829 said:
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Wes isn't going to remember his name in a few years if he doesn't hang it up soon. If it is not too late already.nattysez said:
Am I the only one watching that play and thinking Cleveland's OT thinks Manziel is a douche too? He literally allowed Sam to burst past him without even needing a move to get beat. Fishy.SeoulSoxFan said:
HomeRunBaker said:
A RT trying to make his squad allows a DE trying to make his to sack his QB?
That doesn't add up.
Oh I know I was kidding about the player purposely tanking it just looked funny coupled with Manziel being a love him/hate him type of player probably among his teammates as well.Dogman2 said:
That shit happens at different levels of football but as you say not likely by a guy fighting to make an NFL roster.
RGIII played poorly again; Cousins played well again.mascho said:
This will be fun. No one in the NFL has a thinner skin than RGIII. He's like Michael Jordan, taking offense to every goddamned thing but obviously without any of MJ's accomplishments.
Unlike MJ, RGIII also is insecure.
So here's my bet. He's going to try playing as he did in 2012, with all the predictable consequences. His skills are not yet refined enough to allow for great success without putting himself at great risk.
I'm with you on Sam, Dcmissle. I think he makes the roster, even though they are stacked along the defensive line. Besides the obviously awesome story line, he's played really well throughout the preseason. He actually had 2 sacks yesterday (not sure if the other one was against Johnny Football too), and I'm 90% sure he had one last week as well. He's looked really explosive, and for a guy whose size appears to be his biggest question mark, it doesn't seem to be affecting his play all that much. I can't speak to the level of competition he's faced thus far (ie. is he playing solely against the other teams backups in preseason) or how he's looked in practice, but to my eye, he's got more than enough to land on an NFL team, and if St. Louis does end up cutting him, there is no doubt in my mind that he'll be out of a job for long.
Sam got credit for .5 of a sack later in the game, also on Manziel.
From what I have read out of St. Louis, both Sam and the UDFA Westbrooks (whom it was thought Sam was competing with for a spot) might make the roster and a second year DE might be the odd guy out. Westbrooks might be a better all around player (against the run) but Sam has shown to be a decent pass rusher, even when they have dropped him inside. Pass rushing is like pitching, can't have enough in this new NFL.
From what I have read out of St. Louis, both Sam and the UDFA Westbrooks (whom it was thought Sam was competing with for a spot) might make the roster and a second year DE might be the odd guy out. Westbrooks might be a better all around player (against the run) but Sam has shown to be a decent pass rusher, even when they have dropped him inside. Pass rushing is like pitching, can't have enough in this new NFL.
I don't think the concussion on Welker happened on the hit. I think it was when his helmet bounced on the ground.
So Randy Moss was on all of 3 minutes with Curt Menefee in advance of this chargers/niners game and had me won. He's a natural. Still love him unconditionally.
Edit -- somebody could well go down for the season in this game. Field in atrocious shape apparently.
Edit -- somebody could well go down for the season in this game. Field in atrocious shape apparently.
At what point does Cousins win the job? The Redskins really need to decide soon who their QB of the future is......they are going to have a hard time letting go of Cousins imo.dcmissle said:
I've got Mallett winning that job. The Redskins would be colossal morons to go all-in on their 2nd best QB.mascho said:
At no point this year, and probably never. They invested a lot to get RGIII. The owner is tight with RGIII. Shanahan lost his job primarily because he was at odds with RGIII.HomeRunBaker said:
I can see only two scenarios in which Cousins gets the job.
One is through injury -- RGIII goes down fairly early this season, and Cousins performs spectacularly well, which would include making the postseason and probably one playoff win. And even then, unless RGIII's injury was virtually a career ender, this would provoke the mother of all controversies in the offseason into next year.
The second is that RGIII plays the whole season, falls on his face, has no extenuating circumstances such as other injuries to blame, and then Cousins wins the job next year. Then I can see them moving on.
But I alluded to RGIII's thin skin and insecurity above, and honestly I think it is more likely that Cousins is traded to get him out of the way than for either of the two scenarios above to unfold.
In this instance, Florio has his fingers on the pulse of this town. The Joey T comments will produce an earthquake here that will start to reverberate tomorrow morning. And this will prick the QB's thin skin.mascho said:
The Redskins would be crazy to trade Cousins at this point. They've shown pretty well in preseason, the division isn't great, RGIII has not shown he can stay healthy and, most importantly, this is not a Mallet situation as Cousins is signed through 2015. But stranger things have happened, especially with this franchise.
They may be saved from themselves, as St Louis probably isn't throwing the towel in on Bradford.
Former Revs player Taylor Twellman went on T&R this morning and basically begged Welker -- apparently a friend of his -- to retire.Old Fart Tree said:
Twellman has a history of concussions, so it was interesting to hear him say that "when you get 3 concussions in 12 months it's mandatory you take one year off."
It was a pretty sad moment. Twellman said something like "Wes needs to stop. Look at his wife, they're going to have kids."
