Are you saying it would be worthy of raising a banner for?Freeman and Lindley have probably put up something like four of the five worst individual quarterbacking performances of the last three years so this should be an exciting battle heading into Chuck Pagano's final game as a coach. Winning with one of those two at the helm might even surpass edging out 3-12 Tennessee at home on the list of great accomplishments in American sport.
Probably only a little more pissed than Red Sox players looking down the bench at Farrell next year.If you're a Colts player who was on the team a few years ago, how pissed are you that Bruce Arians is in Arizona?
He doesn't have to get fired - he doesn't have a contract for 2016, having turn down a token one-year extension. He was probably gone no matter what.Do people think Pagano is going to get fired? I've seen murmurings, but it does seem a tad harsh to primarily blame him when the starting quarterback missed half of the season.
Of course, the team struggled from the first game of the season on, so I could see the rationale for it. I personally don't think he's a guy that can elevate a roster significantly farther than it's talent level (and it seems many here feel the same way), so maybe him not getting fired would be the outcome Pats fans actually want.
That coaching job is beyond radioactive… Who the hell would even think about taking this job as long as Grigson is calling the shots?Grigson is significantly more involved in the coaching area than [Bill] Polian ever was,” Kravitz writes. “Sources tell me Grigson not only dictated who would and would not play, but undermined Pagano when he wanted to discipline certain players.”
Kravitz then shares several specific examples from the Grigson-Pagano years, an array of information from unnamed sources that clearly traces to Pagano and members of his staff who are about to be dropped after failing to get more out of a roster littered with bad draft picks and misguided free-agency decisions made by Grigson.
First, Kravitz writes that, after trading for running back Trent Richardson in 2013, Grigson continued to insist that Richardson play, even though he wasn’t playing very well. “According to sources, Grigson was concerned with creating the narrative that it was a good trade,” Kravitz says.
Second, Kravitz reports that Grigson insisted on the use of punt returner Josh Cribbs last year, against the desires of Pagano and several members of his staff.
Third, Kravitz explains that Grigson kept Pagano from disciplining certain players he wanted to discipline.
Fourth, Kravitz says that Grigson forced former offensive coordinator Pep Hamilton on Pagano. “Pep was never answerable to Chuck. Pep answered to Ryan, and everybody in the building knew it,” Kravitz said, citing an unnamed source.
As a result of those and other factors — including the presentation to Pagano of a one-year extension in the offseason that Pagano found unacceptable — Pagano and Grigson has virtually no relationship, according to Kravitz.
I wonder if there's any chance he won't. I suppose they all sign, but it would be fascinating if he just waited it out and hit free agency.Andrew Luck must be so excited about re-signing with this clown show.
Isn't the smart move to get to full free agency and seek out a larger market with a competent management and ownership team? If he re-signs for this mess he deserves to be stuck there. And Stanford may take the degree back.Andrew Luck must be so excited about re-signing with this clown show.
Except for multiple franchise tags which there is zero doubt they'll use. He could hold out but he seems too nice for that in general. If he does wow what a mess that'd be. Make the Mankins hold out look like nothing.Isn't the smart move to get to full free agency and seek out a larger market with a competent management and ownership team? If he re-signs for this mess he deserves to be stuck there. And Stanford may take the degree back.
I sometimes wondered how Luck would approach contract extension and free agency--he's a smart guy, and the stupidity along with the low-rent stuff that characterizes his team can't have been lost on him. However, he's already missed a bunch of time with injuries involving both musculoskeletal and organ damage. He's a walking poster child for why you take as much as you can as soon as you can in the NFL.Isn't the smart move to get to full free agency and seek out a larger market with a competent management and ownership team? If he re-signs for this mess he deserves to be stuck there. And Stanford may take the degree back.
Agreed---it's a threat for the team more than a plan. And very disruptive. He also can simply tell them he isn't going to show up until week 9 (or whatever the limit is for getting the credited year). He has a ton of leverage; question is whether he uses it.By the second franchise tag, he'd be prohibitively expensive to keep under the salary cap. Talking close to 30 million or more. If they want to keep tagging him, the way QBs are protected. Go for it.
Did Chuck send him an "all-in" poker chip to seal the deal?
Heading into the season, Luck was a Top 3 QB.Andrew Luck is a top 5 QB?
Yes. It was nuts. Here are a few examples:Heading into the season, Luck was a Top 3 QB.
What is interesting is that this could describe Blake Bortles.I'm far from a Luck defender, but he was 3rd in NFL in yards last year and led the NFL in TD passes and he was 25 years old.
It's not ridiculous to think he was going to get better and with guys like Manning falling off at the end of last season, top #3 might be a stretch, but top 5 wasn't too bad.
Also described Matt Stafford at one point tooWhat is interesting is that this could describe Blake Bortles.
Without the pedigree, but, but let's see what they say about him next year.What is interesting is that this could describe Blake Bortles.
Wow. Throwing out the ages of Brady, Palmer, Rodgers, and Roeth, (which is a factor) but Cutler, Bridgewater, Cousins, Brees, Winston and Mariota make you think? What does it make you think?Brady, Newton, Wilson, Palmer, Roethlisberger, and Rodgers are no brainers over Luck.
Carr, Dalton, Bridgewater, Cousins, Brees, Cutler, Winston, and Mariota all make me think at least, for different reasons.
Age is not a factor. The discussion was top 5 QB, not projected future top 5 QB or top 5 QBs to build a team around.Wow. Throwing out the ages of Brady, Palmer, Rodgers, and Roeth, (which is a factor) but Cutler, Bridgewater, Cousins, Brees, Winston and Mariota make you think? What does it make you think?
Ok, fine, I threw out the ages. Can you explain anyone ranking Cutler, Bridgewater, Cousins, Winston, or Mariota ahead of Luck?Age is not a factor. The discussion was top 5 QB, not projected future top 5 QB or top 5 QBs to build a team around.
No. Certainly not for reasonable expectations going into this year. I think Luck was always in that second group of QBs outside of the top 5, but that many people expected him to make that leap into the top 5 this year. That was a reasonable expectation but there is no evidence that it would have materialized if he had been fully healthy.Ok, fine, I threw out the ages. Can you explain anyone ranking Cutler, Bridgewater, Cousins, Winston, or Mariota ahead of Luck?
Cousins had a higher QB rating this season than Luck has ever had and has a higher career rating. Cousins had a higher QBR this season than Luck has ever had and completed nearly 70% of his passes. Luck has never been higher than 62%.Ok, fine, I threw out the ages. Can you explain anyone ranking Cutler, Bridgewater, Cousins, Winston, or Mariota ahead of Luck?