2015 Dolphins: Fire the Lazor!

DJnVa · Oct 5, 2015

SeoulSoxFan said:
Miami has the talent that Bears did not -- I still can't see them winning less than 7 with a weak schedule.

You think they go 6-6 to finish the year?

Home: Texans, Cowboys, Ravens, Giants, Colts, Pats

At this point, I'd be surprised it they won 2 of those games.

Road: Titans, Pats, Bills, Eagles, Jets, Chargers

I mean, the Titans sure. But they're not going to be favored in any other road game.

amarshal2 · Oct 5, 2015

With St. Louis and New Orleans pulling out victories last night Miami is in sole possession of 1st place in the rankings for "biggest disparity between talent and performance". It's no surprise they fired their Head Coach.

If this were the start of the season I'd agree with sodenj5 that it would be impossible to tell how this team is going to perform going forward. However, they're 1/4 of the way through the season and they just fired the HC and the DC. Campbell may be talking tough but how much of an impact do we think their motivation had on the start? A big part of the problem is roster construction. The stars and scrubs approach doesn't work if your stars can't play like stars and you can't coach up your scrubs.

What can they possibly implement on the fly to turn this train wreck around? I think it's going to be more ugly than not going forward.

dynomite · Oct 5, 2015

Al Zarilla said:
Campbell on ESPN saying something like "there's a fine line between clean play and dirty play. We're gonna walk the line. Not saying we're going to play dirty, but we'll be on the line." Then said something like every body buys into this, or else. dolphins just went from soft (Trey Wingo interpretation of what Campbell was implying they were under Philbin) to (ordered to be) borderline dirty. Look out.

Does anyone else find this kind of phony tough guy stuff a red flag?

How many successful coaches talk like this in public? Maybe Rex, and there's a firestorm of debate about whether he's been successful.

Parcells I guess? Although like Rex, he was more of a jokester. Felt like he was winking as he did it.

nattysez · Oct 5, 2015

Al Zarilla said:
Campbell on ESPN saying something like "there's a fine line between clean play and dirty play. We're gonna walk the line. Not saying we're going to play dirty, but we'll be on the line." Then said something like every body buys into this, or else. dolphins just went from soft (Trey Wingo interpretation of what Campbell was implying they were under Philbin) to (ordered to be) borderline dirty. Look out.

I always read "we're going to hit Brady as much as possible, even late if necessary" between the lines of stuff like this. I hate the fact that the Pats have to play them twice, including once on a Thursday.

SeoulSoxFan · Oct 5, 2015

sodenj5 said:
It's so hard to make any kind of prediction as to what they're going to do going forward until you see how they play under Campbell. They have the talent on paper to win more than two games, but they also should have beaten Jacksonville at home. They could easily go either way.

This is where I am. I think Miami has scraped the bottom and am fully expecting them to play better moving forward.

Miami is a tough place to play. Pats have a nice 2 game losing streak at Sun Life, Bills & Jets are no juggernauts, and Eagles look just as messed up as the Phins right now.

Unless implosion continues, the talent level is there to go .500 rest of the year.

pdaj · Oct 5, 2015

Motherf-cker. I somehow lost my 2-page response before I could hit "post". The gist:

At least they let Philbin back into the country.
For all the all the media folk slamming Ross for "taking too long" on Philbin, I'd rather have that type of an owner, rather than one who's prone to making knee-jerk decisions. When you hire an individual with zero HC experience, he needs 3-4 years to get acclimated and be fairly assessed. It became clear early on this season -- Joe's never going to be the guy. 4 games too long? So be it.
Campbell makes the season more entertaining, no doubt about it. But can he coach? Can he out-coach BB, Bowles, and Rex? When's the last time a TE coach leapfrogged to HC?
I am intrigued about how this move affects Lazor. It always seemed as though he and Joe were at odds. Now Lazor gets to do his own thing -- no excuses. And if Cambpell can "rah rah" the defense -- who knows? Maybe we'll be watchable again.
Regardless, Josh McDaniels has to be a candidate this off-season, right?

Clears Cleaver · Oct 5, 2015

basically what I took from Campbell's presser is that Suh has free reign to hurt Brady, which, again, is really the only goal for the season anyways. and now maybe he can break break belichick's hand in the post-game handshake

#trolling

buts seriously, he basically said the team was bunch of pussies, everyone needs to be pushed, including Pouncy, Jones, such, Tannehill, etc. said there was no leadership....he is basically the exact opposite of Philbin in that regard. neither Laxor or Coyle guaranteed to keep their job. and hickey was not on podium for the announcement, only Tannebaum was.

dcmissle · Oct 5, 2015

sodenj5 said:
The hilarious thing is they spent 3 years purging their roster of these types of guys. I'm pretty confident Suh won't need any instruction on how to ratchet up the intensity.

Yes. Reading further between the lines -- Goodell and that a-hole Wells neutered us, and we're not taking it anymore. If we lose, we'll lose our way, thank you.

We have a League run by PR specialists and lawyers. Everybody happy? Now help collect the voluminous yellow laundry.

Clears Cleaver · Oct 5, 2015

HE's a Parcels guy and I think he was sick of watching this team pussy-foot around and play touch football on offense and defense

dynomite · Oct 5, 2015

sodenj5 said:
I'm trying not to get caught up in all the hyperbole, but Campbell played for 10 years in the league. He's not all talk.

Looking back on this team the last several years, one of the very few units to actually EXCEED expectations would be the TEs. Whether or not his talk and style of coaching will be well received with the entire team remains to be seen, but he isn't just talking tough out of his ass.

That's fair. And you could definitely be right.

Anytime I see a coach talking tough, though, I think of Mike Singletary talking about how he was going to toughen up the Niners. It worked for a few weeks (right?) and then...

Edit: that said, it's not like they were swimming in other options. And not every former player is Singletary.

Gorton Fisherman · Oct 5, 2015

WE GO OUT, WE HIT PEOPLE IN THE MOUTH!

rymflaherty · Oct 5, 2015

If nothing else we should get a better assessment of the current roster/staff, and see who is worth building around. Even if they don't get better as a team immediately, to me that was the benefit of getting rid of Philbin. If he wasn't going to be around next year, why let him stay around and provide an excuse for everybody.

I'm also much more interested in the Tennessee game now...I am keeping my expectations low however, because while I'd like to see the team I thought they would be this year, I'm also not sure that there is a realistic (and internal quick) fix to the issues with the Offensive Line and Secondary.

As for Campbell - I believe he was the best internal option, so I'm happy with the choice.
I'd rather have a HC without the histrionics, but for all we know he was going a bit overboard just for today to emphasize his philosophy...And really it's just nice to have someone that seems to have a philosophy and conviction. Plus with the way things seem to be in the locker room, it doesn't seem to be a bad thing for the short term.
I have to admit I am hoping he winds up being some hidden gem. Assuming Ross keeps Tannenbaum around, I'm not sure what coach with options would actually sign up for this mess, so I don't have a lot of hope when it comes to an external coaching search.

pdaj · Oct 5, 2015

I haven't seen the Coyle firing confirmed anywhere.

Gambler7 · Oct 6, 2015

sodenj5 said:
Jeff Darlington firing off a round of tweets about the Tannehill story.

https://twitter.com/jeffdarlington/status/651390604803489792

Considering the Commissioner of the league just spent tens of millions of dollars to bring a case about a fraction of air missing from a football to federal court over hearsay and generalities, is this really a big surprise?

jimbobim · Oct 6, 2015

sodenj5 said:
Jeff Darlington firing off a round of tweets about the Tannehill story.

https://twitter.com/jeffdarlington/status/651387377483685888

https://twitter.com/jeffdarlington/status/651390604803489792

Darlington is being pretty ridiculous here. He's not disputing that Tannehill dressed down the psquad and acted like a child and not an NFL QB, he's just disputing the paycheck line explicitly .

thehitcat · Oct 6, 2015

jimbobim said:
Darlington is being pretty ridiculous here. He's not disputing that Tannehill dressed down the psquad and acted like a child and not an NFL QB, he's just disputing the paycheck line explicitly .

I agree, it changes the dynamic not one bit. We've moved from Tannehill is a thin-skinned douche who called out his PS guys when they made him look bad to, Tannehill is still a thin-skinned douche who called out his PS guys when they made him look bad but he didn't specifically call out how much more money he makes then they do. If anything all this "rebuttal" does is officially confirm that Tannehill was being a douche.

Statman · Oct 6, 2015

Further confirmation from a Miami Herald writer that Tannehill is an asshole.

Philbin’s final Dolphins practice featured heated exchanges among quarterback Ryan Tannehill and defensive players, according to multiple sources.

According to a player, Philbin has consistently conveyed a message that during Saturday practices, the defensive players should take it easy on the offense and let them execute.

Tannehill, who was irritated and testy because he was throwing some errant passes throughout the week, reached his tipping point on Saturday when Chris McCain did something more aggressive than typical for a Saturday practice, forcing a turnover.

According to two players, Tannehill then flipped, saying something to the effect that he would prepare a scout team trophy case for McCain. At least a couple of defensive players responded angrily and a minor confrontation ensued.

Shortly after that, practice squad safety Jonathan Dowling intercepted Tannehill and returned it for a touchdown, according to another player. The defensive players continued aggressively going after Tannehill passes until coaches implored the defensive players to take it down a notch.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2015/10/tannehills-contentious-exchange-with-teammates-player-reaction-campbell-more-unrest-in-davie-.html

Super Nomario · Oct 6, 2015

Statman said:
Further confirmation from a Miami Herald writer that Tannehill is an asshole.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2015/10/tannehills-contentious-exchange-with-teammates-player-reaction-campbell-more-unrest-in-davie-.html

I had missed that this was a Saturday practice. That changes quite a bit in my eyes - my understanding is that around the league Saturday practices are half-speed walkthroughs. If the practice squad guys are going full-speed in walkthroughs then they are being kind of dicks. Without knowing exactly what Tannehill said, there's definitely the possibility that both sides are in the wrong here, but that it happened on Saturday is pretty relevant context.

BrazilianSoxFan · Oct 6, 2015

Super Nomario said:
I had missed that this was a Saturday practice. That changes quite a bit in my eyes - my understanding is that around the league Saturday practices are half-speed walkthroughs. If the practice squad guys are going full-speed in walkthroughs then they are being kind of dicks. Without knowing exactly what Tannehill said, there's definitely the possibility that both sides are in the wrong here, but that it happened on Saturday is pretty relevant context.

Matt Chatham agrees with you:

https://twitter.com/chatham58/status/651396678432464896
"If story is accurate & #Dolphins PS player picked off passes on a Saturday walk-thru, Tannehill should put him in his place 4 being a d-bag"

https://twitter.com/chatham58/status/651398078822531073
"@dave_lapointe It's a walk-thru. You're just lobbing it to show assignments. Guys who show-out during walk-thrus are the worst."

smastroyin · Oct 6, 2015

Thing is, where the fuck were the coaches during this?

Whatever it says about Tannehill, isn't this yet another indication that Joe Philbin did not have the command and respect of his players? Does he think that letting guys fight this stuff out in practice is going to build character?

Like, I can't imagine a story like this coming out of a camp of a team that was in control and focusing on winning games on Sunday. I realize they happen once in a while with everyone, but you know, smoke and fire.

glennhoffmania · Oct 6, 2015

The Dolphins haven't made a decision on defensive coordinator Kevin Coyle yet, but they could be seeing what their options would look like if they decide to cut ties with Coyle. One of those options might have been Jim Schwartz, at least at one point.

According to NFL Media's Ian Rapoport, the Dolphins reached out to Schwartz, but he didn't take the bait.

Link

Mugsy's Jock · Oct 6, 2015

Good old Donte Stallworth tweets that Brady paid practice squadders bonuses if they intercepted him, as a reward for helping him become a better QB...

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25329379/stallworth-brady-paid-practice-squad-players-if-they-intercepted-him

TSC · Oct 6, 2015

Mugsys Jock said:
Good old Donte Stallworth tweets that Brady paid practice squadders bonuses if they intercepted him, as a reward for helping him become a better QB...

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25329379/stallworth-brady-paid-practice-squad-players-if-they-intercepted-him

You just have to laugh at this point.

The Patriots truly do operate at a completely different level.

Jettisoned · Oct 6, 2015

Given all the utter crap published about the Patriots over the last 9 months, the Tannehill practice tantrum story is probably embellished and taken completely out of context if not made up entirely, and I say that as someone who would absolutely love if it were true.

I can't imagine PS players getting away with disrupting practice more than once without getting cut, possibly on the spot. Philbin looks like a feckless wiener from a distance, but it's still hard to believe he'd put up with that sort of problem given how simple and easy the solution is.

Smiling Joe Hesketh · Oct 6, 2015

TheShynessClinic said:
You just have to laugh at this point.

The Patriots truly do operate at a completely different level.

I fully expect accusations of violating the salary cap to surface soon.

After learning that these incidents took place during walkthroughs, my stance has changed on this: I don't have an issue with Tannehill. Walkthroughs are far different than practices, and have different purposes.

Ed Hillel · Oct 6, 2015

You have to wonder why it was reported in the first place, though. It seems at least one person thought Tannehill was acting out of line in some capacity. Otherwise, why leak it?

Also, this:

But one player sentiment expressed to us by multiple people was this: The benefits of a change from Philbin to Campbell will be marginal if defensive coordinator Kevin Coyle or offensive coordinator Bill Lazor isn’t replaced.

Makes it sound like the inmates are running the asylum. The team is a collective Dwight Howard.

kenneycb · Oct 6, 2015

Because the organization is a dumpster fire is probably the most logical reasoning behind the leak. Maybe someone in the FO that didn't want to roll the dice with Tannehill going forward.

dcmissle · Oct 7, 2015

Oklahoma drill ... Vintage M. Schottenheimer ... awesome

CantKeepmedown · Oct 7, 2015

BrazilianSoxFan said:
Matt Chatham agrees with you:

https://twitter.com/chatham58/status/651396678432464896
"If story is accurate & #Dolphins PS player picked off passes on a Saturday walk-thru, Tannehill should put him in his place 4 being a d-bag"

https://twitter.com/chatham58/status/651398078822531073
"@dave_lapointe It's a walk-thru. You're just lobbing it to show assignments. Guys who show-out during walk-thrus are the worst."

Fauria said that same thing on the radio yesterday. You're supposed to go light, and let the offense execute on walk-thru's, not be a hero and go all out. He was totally on Tannehill's side.

Shelterdog · Oct 7, 2015

Ed Hillel said:
You have to wonder why it was reported in the first place, though. It seems at least one person thought Tannehill was acting out of line in some capacity. Otherwise, why leak it?

Also, this:

Makes it sound like the inmates are running the asylum. The team is a collective Dwight Howard.

Darlington suggested that an agent (perhaps for the practice squad guys who I guess were great performers?) had leaked the story. I have no idea what the truth is.

dcmissle · Oct 7, 2015

Tanny says he has been slandered.

Some of us now hand off to the keepers of this thread the blessed baton of libel/slander/defamation law moderation.

Good luck fellas.

mwonow · Oct 7, 2015

dcmissle said:
Tanny says he has been slandered.

Some of us now hand off to the keepers of this thread the blessed baton of libel/slander/defamation law moderation.

Good luck fellas.

So you're saying - there's a chance for a "rowboat and a battleship" class action?

[/sorrycouldn'tresist]

dcmissle · Oct 7, 2015

Realistically, no. There are not enough PTSD Fin fans here. This came up too long after the Ted Wells' witch hunt.

Interesting to me is that Tanny characterized the line about the PS salaries and trophy as defamatory, undercutting the defense of it here by some.

dwainw · Oct 7, 2015

I was as hard on Tannehill when these comments first came out as anyone--although I did at least preface things with "if all this is true"--but at this point after 3+ seasons of "solid citizenship," I think the guy deserves the benefit of the doubt.

Right now this team needs to STFU, hunker down, sort out its coaching situation ASAP, and start game planning the shit out of the Tennessee game. They need to eat, drink, sleep, & breathe Tennessee for the next week and a half. They should binge watch Tennessee Williams plays, knock back Tennessee Tangs by the bucketful, and tour Graceland. Tennessee, Tennessee, Tennessee, because nothing short of a win is going to start transforming the "culture" or instilling confidence in themselves or buy-in to the coaching staff whatever the fuck has caused the team to underperform so badly to this point. It's apparent they were overhyped and overrated prior to the start of the season as people like me wishcasted an O-line not made of Swiss cheese and minimal regression for guys like Wake, but I still believe they have the talent to finish 9 - 7 if the new staff can figure out how to coach to their strengths. At least that's what I'm convincing myself of in order to squeeze a couple drops of enjoyment out of what could be one of the most surprising and disappointing lost seasons in recent memory.

pdaj · Oct 7, 2015

MAN! I wish we had the internet/twitter coverage we do now during a time when PS players attempted to pick off passes during one of Marino's offensive walk-throughs. How many of those 140 characters would have been devoted to F-bombs? This entire coverage of this "issue" has been ridiculous, but as others have noted, it's indicative of the "dumpster fire" that is the Miami organization right now.

Edit: Posted by several on Twitter -- Chris Simms' gives his opinion on this situation from a former NFL QB's perspective. I think he nails it.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2576797-the-real-truth-behind-ryan-tannehills-feud-with-dolphins-practice-squad

lexrageorge · Oct 7, 2015

If the practice squad players were doing this in violation of the practice rules, there's a simple solution: cut them and find new PS players. The fact that it happened at all doesn't speak well of the now fired head coach.

RedOctober3829 · Oct 8, 2015

https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/652176548485840896

mcaqua · Oct 8, 2015

From where we were last Sunday afternoon, realistically the past five days couldn't have turned out any better. Will it actually lead to tangible on-field improvement? Who knows, but it certainly cannot get much worse.

It just feels like the organization is in a much better spot than it was last week. Kudos to Ross for doing what had to be done and righting his own wrong.

rymflaherty · Oct 17, 2015

Oh man, looks like there's no reason to watch tomorrow, it's a lock....

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