2015 Offseason: Non-Revis Edition

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The hammer has to come down, doesn't it?  I mean, a memo was ignored, and if history is any indication, the NFL does not stand for that!
 
LOL.  So true.
 

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 Has there ever been a case of a WR becoming a TE or H-Back?  The closest I can think of was Keith Byars moving from TB/FB to H-Back.
You asked before the weekend, but. . .
 
Jerome Barkum of the NYJ, a lifetime ago. It took a couple of seasons (and there may have been injuries) but Barkum moved from WR to TE. And he played 5-6 years at WR after the switch.
 
Rich Caster was an All-Pro TE (starting by catching passes from Namath) and he moved out to WR. He would also then play into the 1980s, as a WR, with a couple of different teams. It may have been an injury to Caster that had Barkum move to TE, and the swap became permanent.
 

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You asked before the weekend, but. . .
 
Jerome Barkum of the NYJ, a lifetime ago. It took a couple of seasons (and there may have been injuries) but Barkum moved from WR to TE. And he played 5-6 years at WR after the switch.
 
Rich Caster was an All-Pro TE (starting by catching passes from Namath) and he moved out to WR. He would also then play into the 1980s, as a WR, with a couple of different teams. It may have been an injury to Caster that had Barkum move to TE, and the swap became permanent.
Tim Wright was a WR at Rutgers, didn't switch to T/E until becoming a Buc.
 

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@AdamSchefter: NFL: "League office is beginning investigations into a number of reported agreements with clubs. Violations will be dealt with accordingly.”
 
A league that allows a "legal tampering" period is upset about this?
 

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E5 Yaz said:
A league that allows a "legal tampering" period is upset about this?
and the same league that tweets about these "“unapproved deals” and talks about these “unapproved deals” on its own network
 

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49ers are basically the ending of "That Thing You Do." Jim Tomsula is trying to record a song and no one's there because everyone quit.
He is Spartacus.
Side note: That is the hottest that Liv Tyler has ever been.

Are they lining up to be the worst team in that division?
 

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@Rand_Getlin: That same source says the letter indicates the league will conduct an investigation. Will examine if teams did in fact agree to terms early.
You mean when players agree to contracts at 4:01pm the day free agency starts the terms weren't all negotiated within a minute? Mind blown.
 

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and the same league that tweets about these "“unapproved deals” and talks about these “unapproved deals” on its own network
@mortreport The NFL is opening an investigation into whether the Pats violated instructions in a recent NFL memo by leaking terms of a contract extension with Devin McCourty prior to the start of the league year.  A source close to the NFL described the league as "disappointed....distraught....angry..."
 

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Disappointed, distraught, angry. Did the league use these words for domestic violence, dui, etc cases?
 

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Stitch01 said:
@mortreport The NFL is opening an investigation into whether the Pats violated instructions in a recent NFL memo by leaking terms of a contract extension with Devin McCourty prior to the start of the league year.  A source close to the NFL described the league as "disappointed....distraught....angry..."
 
I was reading a Grantland piece about the Suh deal that began with:
 
Give NFL teams an inch and they’ll take a mile. Organizations have previously used the three-day “legal tampering” period, first granted in 2013, to quietly come to terms with players before releasing news of the signings in a flurry of Adam Schefter tweets at the end of the signing period.
 
And the thought that immediately occurred to me is that one day this will no longer be allowed, and somehow the Pats will be singled out from among all the other teams. I just didn't expect it to happen today.
 

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@mortreport The NFL is opening an investigation into whether the Pats violated instructions in a recent NFL memo by leaking terms of a contract extension with Devin McCourty prior to the start of the league year.  A source close to the NFL described the league as "disappointed....distraught....angry..."
I fear that your sense of humor may be lost -- and I honestly believe chances are 50-50 than an Indy based "reporter" will bitch about the extension.
 

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What does this mean?
 
I know his cap hit isn't ideal but if he was a UFA he'd get a better deal than the one he's on. How about Arrington goes and explores value instead?
 
Arrington doesn't give the Patriots $4.8mm of cap savings.
 

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It would be hard to justify letting Browner go to save $4.8M when they have a kicker on the books at $4.6M. As good as Ghost is, he was an unknown back in 2006. I would take that gamble again.
 

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Arrington doesn't give the Patriots $4.8mm of cap savings.
Yeah I know, but I took it as they're asking him to take a pay cut. I'd ask Arrington first.
 
Edit: Browner's deal is ideal to be reworked, but he shouldn't need to take a cut or be released.
 

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Phragle said:
 
What does this mean?
 
I know his cap hit isn't ideal but if he was a UFA he'd get a better deal than the one he's on. How about Arrington goes and explores value instead?
 
It may mean they really want Revis and wanted McCourty, even at the expense of losing Browner. They're up against the cap, and maybe this is the only way they can get Revis done, outside of cutting Solder.
 

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It would be hard to justify letting Browner go to save $4.8M when they have a kicker on the books at $4.6M. As good as Ghost is, he was an unknown back in 2006. I would take that gamble again.
 
Ghost is on the books no matter what because of the tag.  The team cannot save any cap space by cutting him now
 

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Ghost is on the books no matter what because of the tag.  The team cannot save any cap space by cutting him now
 
Right, can't go back and change it now. But I would have preferred that they not even bother tagging him if the cost is going to be Browner getting cut.
 

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Am I understanding the latest CBA wrong, or can Ghost still sign a long-term deal before July 15th that supercedes the franchise deal (presumably with a lower cap number for this year)?
 

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Stitch01 said:
Am I understanding the latest CBA wrong, or can Ghost still sign a long-term deal before July 15th that supercedes the franchise deal (presumably with a lower cap number for this year)?
 
He can, yes.
 

Lose Remerswaal said:
How many big games have the Pats won in the past many years due to having an accurate kicker?

How many more have they won because the other team DIDN'T have an accurate kicker?
 
I heard there was a Super Bowl or something once and a game in the snow a couple weeks before where the Patriots needed a good kicker.
 

Phragle said:
Yeah I know, but I took it as they're asking him to take a pay cut. I'd ask Arrington first.
 
Edit: Browner's deal is ideal to be reworked, but he shouldn't need to take a cut or be released.

 
 
I expect they probably will ask Arrington, just the same as asking Amendola, but there's no deadline for either, whereas Browner has a bonus due tomorrow.
 

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Stitch01 said:
Am I understanding the latest CBA wrong, or can Ghost still sign a long-term deal before July 15th that supercedes the franchise deal (presumably with a lower cap number for this year)?
 
mpx42 said:
 
He can, yes.
 
But for the purposes of getting under the cap by tomorrow (and getting Revis signed), this is irrelevant. As of right now he is costing them $4.6M against the cap and that is an issue. I'd honestly 100% prefer for them to have not tagged him and for him to be an unrestricted free agent with $4.6M less sitting against the cap come tomorrow afternoon, but I am likely in the minority on that.
 

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Revis is taking up $25 million against the cap. All they need to do to get under is to sign him to an extension or release him. They have months to fix Ghost's cap number if it's too high for them.
 

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Stitch01 said:
Am I understanding the latest CBA wrong, or can Ghost still sign a long-term deal before July 15th that supercedes the franchise deal (presumably with a lower cap number for this year)?
 
I think the confusion for some is that they could still cut him, which would have been the case had he not already signed his tender.
Players don't typically sign the franchise tender this quickly which leads me to believe that may have been an option and Ghost realized this thus signing the tender right away.  Of course I'm sure he also realized no offer sheets were coming his way so there was only upside in signing right away.
 

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Miller failed a physical with Seattle which allowed him to be cut.  Cant find any reports as to what caused the failed physical
 

Absent of any other info, I'd assume that the cause of the failed physical is related to the ankle surgery that caused him to miss the last 13 games of the season
 

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mpx42 said:
Revis is taking up $25 million against the cap. All they need to do to get under is to sign him to an extension or release him. They have months to fix Ghost's cap number if it's too high for them.
 
Just for the record, $5 million of that is dead money, so the maximum relief they get by not picking up the option is $20 million.   
 

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mpx42 said:
 

I heard there was a Super Bowl or something once and a game in the snow a couple weeks before where the Patriots needed a good kicker.
 
 
And the opposite: there was a certain Panthers kicker who kicked off out of bounds after a tying TD with about a minute left in the Super Bowl.
 

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I'm pretty sure Stitch made that one up guys. McCourty was a Patriot until 4 PM tomorrow. They can extend him whenever they want and broadcast it as they see fit. The legal tampering period doesn't apply to your own free agents. 
 
 
What would their bitch be about? 
Nothing, and that's the point. Could some of these individuals with an Ahab like obsession be so ill informed that they don't realize teams are free to extend their own? You betcha.
 

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I'm pretty sure Stitch made that one up guys. McCourty was a Patriot until 4 PM tomorrow. They can extend him whenever they want and broadcast it as they see fit. The legal tampering period doesn't apply to your own free agents. 
 
Yeah, I'd like to kindly ask anyone who takes a 292 character Tweet seriously to step away for a bit and get their heads right.
 

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‏@AdamSchefter Texans officially released WR Andre Johnson.
 

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2. The 2015 league year begins Tuesday at 4 p.m. ET, which means that is when the Patriots have to be in compliance with the salary cap. The Patriots, as we understand it, are in the process of exploring different ways to create space. As noted earlier Monday, Jeff Howe of the Boston Herald reported that cornerback Brandon Browner was given the freedom to shop around the NFL to gauge his value, which could be an indication he's being viewed as a candidate for potential cap relief. We've also been told to keep an eye on receiver Danny Amendola in that area as well. 
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4778896/tidying-up-a-few-patriots-details