2015 Offseason: Non-Revis Edition
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Thanks for that E5. Although it does remind me that the home slate could be a bit of a stinker this year... Tennessee, Jacksonville, Washington, ick.
When it is arguable that the third-best home game to attend this year is Buffalo... I suppose the silver lining is that most of the Patriots prime time games (e.g. pains in the butt to go to) will be road games: Denver, Indy, Dallas, Giants -- all those are potential national games.
When it is arguable that the third-best home game to attend this year is Buffalo... I suppose the silver lining is that most of the Patriots prime time games (e.g. pains in the butt to go to) will be road games: Denver, Indy, Dallas, Giants -- all those are potential national games.
Wow, from Reiss, Gostkowski is MORE LIKELY to get the tag than DMC at this point.
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4778574/stephen-gostkowski-a-more-likely-candidate-for-tag-than-devin-mccourty?ex_cid=espnapi_public
Surprised at the McCourty/no tag speculation from Reiss. Wonder if they'll both end up gone. Would certainly change the complexion of the offseason and cap situation. I think not tagging McCourty is a mistake, but lets see how it plays out.SeoulSoxFan said:
They cannot keep everyone the next few years, good young players are going to have to be let go. Do they start by letting McCourty go?
Why would they let DMC go though if they don't have to even let him go to the open market? Tag him for the 9+ million and get it over with.ShaneTrot said:
bankshot1 said:
This is my hope. What's the cap hit on a franchised kicker these days? Can't imagine it's too high.
Sign DMC and Revis to extensions, use the tag on Ghost and then fill in the remaining pieces in the draft.
ElcaballitoMVP said:
I think it is $3.5-$4M, which is totally reasonable. But it just seems from afar that it would be a lot easier to structure a LT deal for Ghost, franchise DMC, and then continue to negotiate with DMC to structure a LT deal (especially given the uncertainty with Revis).
In other words, we could all throw out a pretty easy contract for Ghost - say 4 years, $16M, with $6M guaranteed. $2.5M base salaries each year. Something like that. That would be good for both player and team and is straightforward and isn't affected by Revis. But with DMC we need the flexibility to be creative based on what happens with Revis.
Just my $.02.
I think the tag for safeties is around $9MM.
So maybe the Pats want to sign DMC to a LT deal (5Y) with about $20-24MM guaranteed, and with a large enough bonus (ie, $12MM) to bring the cap hit down AND also help solve the cash spend issue they have to deal with.
So maybe the Pats want to sign DMC to a LT deal (5Y) with about $20-24MM guaranteed, and with a large enough bonus (ie, $12MM) to bring the cap hit down AND also help solve the cash spend issue they have to deal with.
According to Reiss, the tag for safeties is around 9.5.
The problem with the LT deal is that it becomes much riskier when MCCourty is free to negotiate with other teams. Using the tag doesn't mean he had to play under it. They can still negotiate a long term deal.
The problem with the LT deal is that it becomes much riskier when MCCourty is free to negotiate with other teams. Using the tag doesn't mean he had to play under it. They can still negotiate a long term deal.
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 32s32 seconds ago
Teams were informed today the salary cap will officially be $143.28M, per source.
Teams were informed today the salary cap will officially be $143.28M, per source.
Corsi said:
That's over a $10 million increase from the previous year -- which was $133 million
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000329753/article/nfl-salary-cap-makes-nearly-10m-jump-to-133-million
The tag for P/K is $4.1 million. I think you can find a good kicker in the draft or in free agency much easier than you can find a safety of DMC's caliber. If they let him go test FA, the chances of him getting a bigger deal from a team with more cap space is pretty high. In Bill We Trust and we know that Revis is the bigger priority right now, but not tagging DMC is not the move I'd make.BigJimEd said:
chonce1 said:
I trust their assessment so I'm not worried but it is surprising.
Frankly I would have guessed that they tag him with the expectation that they don't resign him next year. He'll be 28 next season, but in 2016 you're looking at a 29 year old player when you also have Hightower, Jones and Collins (and Harmon and Ryan) in contract years: the smarter call might be to try to keep the front seven together at that point.
Hearing sports radio all over Belichick for the possibility of losing Revis and McCourty but tagging Ghost.
I know it's ok as fans to question things, but good grief, hasn't the one major lesson we've learned over the last 14 years been that Belichick actually knows what he's doing, and that he's really, REALLY good at running a football team?
I know it's ok as fans to question things, but good grief, hasn't the one major lesson we've learned over the last 14 years been that Belichick actually knows what he's doing, and that he's really, REALLY good at running a football team?
ivanvamp said:
Yup. I mean I think it's fine to question things or be surprised by things. But I'm basically past thinking I know better than Belichick.
Denver has signed Sanders, and Ware, and Talib, and TJ Ward - and BB has done NOTHING!
You're absolutely right, Mike!
You're absolutely right, Mike!
Its of course possible that they think they know McCourty's market and/or are far enough in negotiations that they know they'll be happier with the LT deal than the tag. It seems from everything we've heard like McCourty is staying here for equal money at worst. Just a little surprised its gotten this far.
Not surprised the WEEI crowd is back in force. BOLD TAKE: Pats will win 11-13 games and be in the title hunt next year even if McCourty and Revis both skip town
Not surprised the WEEI crowd is back in force. BOLD TAKE: Pats will win 11-13 games and be in the title hunt next year even if McCourty and Revis both skip town
If you tag DMC, you can still work out a long term deal to lower that 2015 cap number. They are either really close in negotiations that the Pats are using good faith and not putting the tag on him-or- they are so far apart that they want him to test the waters and see if he can get what he wants somewhere else and come back to the Pats at the end to see if they'd match.Stitch01 said:
Would the compensatory draft picks at all weigh in on this decision? If McCourty signed elsewhere for $10 million would the Patriots get a higher compensatory draft pick than if Ghost signed elsewhere for $4 million?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League_draft#Compensatory_picks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League_draft#Compensatory_picks
koufax32 said:
Not yet--they get announced at the league meetings. People speculate that it will be a third round pick.
We don't see Duron Harmon play every day, so I think it's a bit much to say that letting McCourty walk for 10 million is "stupid." We also don't know the stage of contract negotiations between the two sides. If we lose McCourty, keep Revis, and use that 10 million to strengthen the OL/DL, I won't be heartbroken.
Harmon's interesting. They thought enough of his ability to play as the only deep safety that in passing situations they frequently put McCourty in the box with just Harmon deep. On the other hand, they preferred Chung as an every-down option next to McCourty in pretty much all other situations. Losing McCourty would hurt depth, too - Tavon Wilson would become the primary backup at both safety spots, and really the only plausible option.Ed Hillel said:
One small thing I hadn't focused on is that McCourty is older than I'd thought--he'll be 28 next year and he's only 23 months younger than Revis. I could see the Pats deciding that they don't want two somewhat older, very expensive players in the same position group which is what you'd have by 2016 if you sign them both long-term.
What is old for a safety? I've seen a few articles about McCourty mentioning safeties playing into their mid 30s. Not sure how accurate that is though.Shelterdog said:
If age was a big factor would the tag have made more sense? Plus there is no guarantee Revis will be back.
And if they don't want him long term then what could they have received in a trade if they had tagged him? Enough to risk losing Gost and tying up cap space until they got a deal done?
I think they still hope to sign him long term but didn't want to tie up that much cap space at this time.