Raiders have an agreement in principle to trade G Kelechi Osemele to the NY Jets, sources tell @josinaanderson and me. Trade cannot be processed until Weds, but two sides have agreement in place. Another Raiders’ trade.
Another 10 million in cap space for Raiders.
Raiders have an agreement in principle to trade G Kelechi Osemele to the NY Jets, sources tell @josinaanderson and me. Trade cannot be processed until Weds, but two sides have agreement in place. Another Raiders’ trade.
If so, would we prefer:Is Houston a scheme fit?
The curse of unlimited potentialI’d take the next 5 years of the Browns pretty easily. 80 million in cap space and 8 picks in first 5 rounds this year.
Flowers. We know what he can do in the system and he’s much younger.If so, would we prefer:
four or five years of Flowers
-or-
one or two years of Houston, the 3rd round comp. pick, and a few extra million to spend elsewhere
So back in his youth, when that guy went to a bar in Pittsburg and hooked up with two girls that were 5's, does he tell his buddies he nailed a 10?Yes you’re right here’s post 16:
I’d like to tell them it’s not like getting the Oakland 2nd and 4th. Or even the Pittsburgh 2nd and 4th. But it’s kind of like if they got the Pats 2nd and 4th.
One of them was 17 and 6 months. Basically legal.So back in his youth, when that guy went to a bar in Pittsburg and hooked up with two girls that were 5's, does he tell his buddies he nailed a 10?
If someone can give 110%, there must be something less than 0%.Haha zero percent chance Bell becomes a Patriot.
I don’t think Brown was a diva WR coming out of college. And he fit himself gloriously into the Steelers offense. In his case, I’d skip ahead to “get rid of him a year too early rather than a year too late.” Which Isure as hell couldnt predict, but am blessed to root for a team that’s pretty good at that.Right. He became a diva. He wasn’t a diva as a 6th rd pick out of a nowhere school / conference.
A lot of Steelers commentary I’ve seen has been about how Pittsburgh has become a place where players know they can shoot their way out of town, including critiques of Tomlin enabling this behaviour, but I don’t think I’ve seen enough about *why* so many players seem to want to do so. Is it that players feel badly treated? Hard done in by the management’s negotiation style? Yes, other teams have disgruntled players but at Pittsburgh it seems players like Bell are willing to act on that and hurt themselves economically out of spite.List probably came from his agent. Since Bell is pretty salty over his treatment the last year or two I’m sure his list exists for the sole purpose of ticking off PIT and their fans. We’ve heard NE and BAL. No chance he goes to either but just the discussion is enough to cause some Yinzer heads to explode.
Is Baltimore that outlandish of a destination? With their QB and O-line, they are built for a strong running attack.List probably came from his agent. Since Bell is pretty salty over his treatment the last year or two I’m sure his list exists for the sole purpose of ticking off PIT and their fans. We’ve heard NE and BAL. No chance he goes to either but just the discussion is enough to cause some Yinzer heads to explode.
They would have to prioritize him over Mosley. I’ll be very surprised if Bell doesn’t land in Oakland. They cleared out even moreIs Baltimore that outlandish of a destination? With their QB and O-line, they are built for a strong running attack.
So then how does the bolded portion of your previous post have any value? I’m not trying to be a dink but if you make the point to ‘not draft diva WRs’, but admit you don’t know that when you’re dragging them,,,,?I don’t think Brown was a diva WR coming out of college. And he fit himself gloriously into the Steelers offense. In his case, I’d skip ahead to “get rid of him a year too early rather than a year too late.” Which Isure as hell couldnt predict, but am blessed to root for a team that’s pretty good at that.
I was thinking from a money perspective.Is Baltimore that outlandish of a destination? With their QB and O-line, they are built for a strong running attack.
...flows well into this:Colts - other than Bell, Flowers, Thomas or maybe Amos (?) I’m not seeing a ton of big money guys out there. Tough year to have $100m+ in cap space; seems ripe for a bad decision.
Jesus, that is an overpay by the Rams. He was basically Clayborn last year. One year, I guess, but still. They better win this year or next, because their cap management is utter shit, and when a QB gets expensive, they’re in trouble.Fowler signed for 1/14. I guess he is betting that if he maintains his postseason level of play through next year he’ll set himself up for a mega deal. Pretty risky gamble given his history though.
Moss was at Marshall because he couldn't stay out of trouble at Notre Dame and Florida State.Wasn't Randy Moss largely in the same boat, coming out of a relative backwater like Marshall? I suppose he was still a late 1st rounder; maybe Terrell Owens is a better comp as a 3rd-round pick coming from UT-Chattanooga.
It’s not clear to me how a player willingly taking pen in hand to sign his name is a screw job. They screwed themselves by converting his roster bonus and almost all his base salary to a signing bonus.So then how does the bolded portion of your previous post have any value? I’m not trying to be a dink but if you make the point to ‘not draft diva WRs’, but admit you don’t know that when you’re dragging them,,,,?
I’m fully on board with your other points, but they screwed him on his contract and his coach can’t control a locker room. They created the diva.
“Treatment” - ha ha. He was offered a king’s ransom - for a RB! And it’s not as though his resume was immaculate. Don’t get me wrong - Le’Veon is a great player and he’s better than Conner. But he’s not remotely more valuable than Conner now and for a few years. The calculus is not replacing Bell with Conner, it’s replacing Bell with Conner and an ILB, DB, extending players, or whatever. They don’t have nearly enough cap room as it is - letting Bell walk (and getting a compensatory 3rd) is the smart move, even if he signs with a conference/division rival.List probably came from his agent. Since Bell is pretty salty over his treatment the last year or two I’m sure his list exists for the sole purpose of ticking off PIT and their fans. We’ve heard NE and BAL. No chance he goes to either but just the discussion is enough to cause some Yinzer heads to explode.
Maybe they created it, maybe they didn’t (I’ll stand by the “they exasperated it” argument I made earlier).Brown isn't the incredibly gifted physical specimen Moss or many other are/were. It was all hard work and fanatical drive that created him. How do you keep that from going off the rails if that's the way he's headed? And now that he's out of town we start hearing how he got special treatment and got away with a lot of crap over time.
Ryan Clark is now an analyst and has commented when they gave AB his first big contract that was when they started creating the monster. And it looks like that may have been accurate. Of course back then AB was a nobody and Mike Wallace turned down a large contract so they gave it to AB. And Wallace has done ok for himself but has never really gone on to do much. The track record of receivers that leave Pittsburgh is not a parade of epic, Sanders is likely the best performer.
I was referring to Bell’a view of the situation.“Treatment” - ha ha. He was offered a king’s ransom - for a RB! And it’s not as though his resume was immaculate. Don’t get me wrong - Le’Veon is a great player and he’s better than Conner. But he’s not remotely more valuable than Conner now and for a few years. The calculus is not replacing Bell with Conner, it’s replacing Bell with Conner and an ILB, DB, extending players, or whatever. They don’t have nearly enough cap room as it is - letting Bell walk (and getting a compensatory 3rd) is the smart move, even if he signs with a conference/division rival.
I'm gonna agree with you, though I think exacerbated is what you were going for. They definitely got their money's worth out of Brown prior to 2018 and for most of that season. Another big red flag to me as an old "you kids get off my yard" type is when he had separate quarters at training camp. The "arriving in exotic vehicles" thing has been a humorous side story for years, Brett Kiesel showed up on a tractor one year, but when AB didn't rough it in the St. Vincent dorms like literally every other player, that's not a good sign. This should probably all be in the steelers thread, oops.Maybe they created it, maybe they didn’t (I’ll stand by the “they exasperated it” argument I made earlier).
On Clark’s comments: I am sure he knows what he’s taking about from first-hand experience, but the Steelers got a ton of production out of Brown. The divorce might have been really ugly and left the Steelers naked by the side of the road, but it was never a dumb move to hang his jersey in the stall every Sunday for years and have him go out and be great on the field.
Hearing that former Jags DL Malik Jackson is close to a new deal, with Green Bay and Philly as the primary options.
As I implied in the Steelers thread, I think they did make a call on Bell. They just weren't expecting that Bell would spite them and not even sign the franchise tag. Which is bad negotiation on the Steelers' part - you always should be prepared that people will act in such ways.Lots of interesting stuff in this and the Steelers thread.
I think if the team were a military outfit, this would be a good time for a stand down.
The Steelers I recall made early, decisive calls on who they were keeping and who they weren’t, which would have kept them out of the Le’Veon Bell quicksand. Those Steelers also had their culture right. News was made on the field.
Bill Cowher certainly is aging well, though I was thought the son-of-Marty criticisms were overdone to begin with.
Yeah, Bell is under no obligation to view things through the Steelers' lens or the market lens. They offered him a ton, but 1) they slapped the franchise tag on him which restricted his ability to negotiate and 2) he was vastly underpaid relative to what he produced as a rookie. Sure, that latter part is not the Steelers' fault, it's the CBA's, but it's easy to see how Bell could resent how the Steelers dealt with him.I was referring to Bell’a view of the situation.
JAX had him as a 3rd down guy by the end of the season. Either that coaching staff screwed up about as badly as possible or PHI just massively overpaid.Malik Jackson got 3/30 from the Eagles.
Between this and Dexter Fowler, Trey Flowers be like omg.Malik Jackson got 3/30 from the Eagles.
The twitter take seems to be that it's an absolute steal by Philly at that price.JAX had him as a 3rd down guy by the end of the season. Either that coaching staff screwed up about as badly as possible or PHI just massively overpaid.
He got benched at the end and had a pretty blah year. Maybe Marrone just lost control of the team or something, but it appears he had a pretty big drop off last year.The twitter take seems to be that it's an absolute steal by Philly at that price.
Check my edit.Damnit
He got benched at the end and had a pretty blah year. Maybe Marrone just lost control of the team or something, but it appears he had a pretty big drop off last year.