It'll be a mediocre news conference overall and the last half of it will actually be worse than average but New Yorkers will talk about it like it was great.
It'll be a mediocre news conference overall and the last half of it will actually be worse than average but New Yorkers will talk about it like it was great.
And refs won’t even notice it’s being held.It'll be a mediocre news conference overall and the last half of it will actually be worse than average but New Yorkers will talk about it like it was great.
Outstanding.And refs won’t even notice it’s being held.
Now I'm angry all over again.And refs won’t even notice it’s being held.
I don't dislike HIM, per se, but much like Jeter it's easy to be peeved about the hagiographic tones with which he was covered because he was in NY, durable, and happened to be on good, winning teams. It's the disproportionate nature of his rep that bothers me.It’s weird, but I could never conjure up much dislike for Eli, even with the SB wins over the Pats.
That's my question to the Giants fans around my area when they said "Next stop Canton" for Eli. If they say Plunkett isn't a HOFer, then they are immediately known as either a hypocrit or someone that doesn't know football.Now I'm angry all over again.
Manning is essentially Jim Plunkett with a longer career. Manning 117-117 as a starter, 2 SB wins. Plunkett 72-72 as a starter, 2 SB wins.
Heh, Dan Patrick just made this comparison on his radio show. He said put Manning in the HoF, if you put Plunkett in as wellManning is essentially Jim Plunkett with a longer career. Manning 117-117 as a starter, 2 SB wins. Plunkett 72-72 as a starter, 2 SB wins.
Shit, go whole hog. If they're going to sully the Hall with Eli, put in every mediocre QB who's won something. Plunkett, Flacco, Simms, Hostetler, Doug Williams, Dilfer, Johnson. Open the flood gates!Heh, Dan Patrick just made this comparison on his radio show. He said put Manning in the HoF, if you put Plunkett in as while
Trent Dilfer? Come on Man! You gotta be better than this.. if Dilfer then how bout Joe Kapp? Craig Morton (He played on some of the Cowboys SB teams and led Denver to the Super Bowl in 77)Shit, go whole hog. If they're going to sully the Hall with Eli, put in every mediocre QB who's won something. Plunkett, Flacco, Simms, Hostetler, Doug Williams, Dilfer, Johnson. Open the flood gates!
Nah that shit was busted once Namath got in.Shit, go whole hog. If they're going to sully the Hall with Eli, put in every mediocre QB who's won something. Plunkett, Flacco, Simms, Hostetler, Doug Williams, Dilfer, Johnson. Open the flood gates!
I've written this before but I would pay a decent chunk of money for the right to argue against Manning. I would prepare for weeks. I would unleash an avalanche of anti-Manning statistics.I have a feeling the NFL HoF committee is going to be a lot harsher to Manning than people expect. I don't think he gets in.
Yup. Playoff wins in 2 years out of 16. That’s awful. His argument is all about high profile wins, which includes at GB, at SF, Pats twice. Lots of incredibly fortunate plays like helmet catch, Welker drop, Kyle Williams fumble, etc.The craziest stat about Eli is that he was only in the playoffs 6 of his 16 years and was a 1 and done 4 of those 6 years.
45th all-time in passer ratingEli: 57,023 yards (7th all time), 366 TD
No one is. People are saying that if a mediocre quarterback should get in because he won 2 Super Bowls, than other mediocre quarterbacks should get in for winning 2 Super BowlsNot sure why people are saying Plunkett was just as good as Eli....
Plunkett career stats
Completion% 52.5
Pass yards/Attempt: 7.0
TD's - 164 (4.4 per attempt)
INT's - 198 (5.3 per attempt)
QB rating - 67.5
Eli Manning career stats
Completion% 60.3
Pass yards/Attempt: 7.0
TD's - 366 (4.5 per attempt)
INT's - 244 (3.0 per attempt)
QB rating - 84.1
In the 2007 playoff run he had a better QB rating in each game vs. Garcia, Romo, Favre and Brady. In the 4th quarter of the SB, he threw for 150 yards and 2 TDs. At one point in his career he had more 4th Qtr comebacks than any active QB.Yup. Playoff wins in 2 years out of 16. That’s awful. His argument is all about high profile wins, which includes at GB, at SF, Pats twice. Lots of incredibly fortunate plays like helmet catch, Welker drop, Kyle Williams fumble, etc.
Actually a lot of people are. They are saying that Plunkett and Manning are basically the same player.No one is. People are saying that if a mediocre quarterback should get in because he won 2 Super Bowls, than other mediocre quarterbacks should get in for winning 2 Super Bowls
I think you're reading those posts other than the way in which they were intendedActually a lot of people are. They are saying that Plunkett and Manning are basically the same player.
Ignoring offensive context entirely here. Plunkett played in an era that was significantly more difficult for QBs and in a lower-scoring environment.Not sure why people are saying Plunkett was just as good as Eli....
Plunkett career stats
Completion% 52.5
Pass yards/Attempt: 7.0
TD's - 164 (4.4 per attempt)
INT's - 198 (5.3 per attempt)
QB rating - 67.5
Eli Manning career stats
Completion% 60.3
Pass yards/Attempt: 7.0
TD's - 366 (4.5 per attempt)
INT's - 244 (3.0 per attempt)
QB rating - 84.1
He played in NY, his last name is Manning, has two SB rings and beat the evil evil Pats both times. He's going in on the first attempt.I have a feeling the NFL HoF committee is going to be a lot harsher to Manning than people expect. I don't think he gets in.
To your point, the overall NFL completion pct was 52.9 in 1973. It was 61.2 in 2013.Ignoring offensive context entirely here. Plunkett played in an era that was significantly more difficult for QBs and in a lower-scoring environment.
They're both .500 QBs with 2 SB rings. The only category Eli ever led the league in was INTs....3 times.
Neither belongs in the Hall.
I believe and agree with everything you say here. I just think they both belong in the HOF.Ignoring offensive context entirely here. Plunkett played in an era that was significantly more difficult for QBs and in a lower-scoring environment.
They're both .500 QBs with 2 SB rings. The only category Eli ever led the league in was INTs....3 times.
Neither belongs in the Hall.
Plunkett threw 30 more INT's than TD's. Manning threw 120 more TD's than INT's.Ignoring offensive context entirely here. Plunkett played in an era that was significantly more difficult for QBs and in a lower-scoring environment.
They're both .500 QBs with 2 SB rings. The only category Eli ever led the league in was INTs....3 times.
Neither belongs in the Hall.
The real question is why aren't Archie's testes in the HoFHe just announced his retirement and the Eli is a HOFer discussions are all over Twitter. We're hardly making anything up here. There's a reason we're talking about him again.
Again, the NFL offensive environment in the era Plunkett played was far more difficult for QBs than the era Manning played in. Check out dokes' post above.Plunkett threw 30 more INT's than TD's. Manning threw 120 more TD's than INT's.
I'm not even saying Eli will get in the HOF, but come on. Plunkett was not nearly as good as Manning.
It doesn't matter that in both super bowls his team was trailing late in the game and he brought them down the field for game-winning Touchdowns both times?I could maybe see a case if Eli had performed amazing in the 2 SBs and essentially carried his team to victory each time. But, of course, that's not at all what happened - the first win was entirely on the Giants' defense and the fluke Tyree play. Eli was better in the second Super Bowl (and that postseason more generally), but the Giants still scored only 21 points and Manning's stats (~300 yards, 1 TD) were above average but hardly amazing.
To be fair, the second SB was a really "short" game with very few offensive possessions by both teams. The Giants put up 13 points on only four second-half possessions. They only had 9 drives and one was a kneel-down at the end of the first half, but they still possessed the ball for more than 37 minutes. Eli ripped up the Patriots D that game, putting the NE O in garbage field position all game (one of which led to the safety), holding the ball, and scoring almost every drive in the second half.I could maybe see a case if Eli had performed amazing in the 2 SBs and essentially carried his team to victory each time. But, of course, that's not at all what happened - the first win was entirely on the Giants' defense and the fluke Tyree play. Eli was better in the second Super Bowl (and that postseason more generally), but the Giants still scored only 21 points and Manning's stats (~300 yards, 1 TD) were above average but hardly amazing.
Had he played better for the first 3.5 quarters, they wouldn't have been trailing ... since the Giants defense had done its jobIt doesn't matter that in both super bowls his team was trailing late in the game and he brought them down the field for game-winning Touchdowns both times?
Dr. Emanuel Kazinski might agree with you.The real question is why aren't Archie's testes in the HoF
Yeah, I know. And people are making the same arguments and posting the same stats that they did every other time Eli's name has come up in the last decade. Just like when Jones was drafted and Eli was benched and then Eli got to play again and there was speculation that Eli just played his last game. And that's just in the last 9 months...He just announced his retirement and the Eli is a HOFer discussions are all over Twitter. We're hardly making anything up here. There's a reason we're talking about him again.
Don't fret ... after this week, you won't have to read it again for five yearsYeah, I know. And people are making the same arguments and posting the same stats that they did every other time Eli's name has come up in the last decade. Just like when Jones was drafted and Eli was benched and then Eli got to play again and there was speculation that Eli just played his last game. And that's just in the last 9 months...
The NFL doesn't want to cause more controversy because at his age his balls are regularly underinflated.The real question is why aren't Archie's testes in the HoF
Other than the egregious holding calls that weren’t called, sure. Despite all that, he gets credit for escaping. Many QBs would have gone down there. But he basically just wound up and threw the ball up for grabs and Tyree made a great catch.And as for the "fluke" Tyree play, how is that fluky? Great play by Eli to get out of 1 or 2 sacks, then a great catch by Tyree. There was no luck involved.
They are far looser than MLB. Don’t see how they are considered restrictive?I don’t think he’ll get in. The PFHOF is overly restrictive as it is and unless that process is overhauled I don’t see a path for him.
To be fair, in 2007 he was facing statistically the better defense and he still put a better QBR in the game than Brady did and led the game-winning drive in the final minutes. In 2011, he put up nearly 300 yards and made big plays to lead them in the final minutes with the game on the line.Had he played better for the first 3.5 quarters, they wouldn't have been trailing ... since the Giants defense had done its job
Well this is certainly refreshing to read compared to the MFY fans who are all pissed off because Jetes wasn't unanimousHe'll get into the Giants ring of honor and his career will be remembered for his two great SB runs. In the end, that's good enough.
He threw the ball right to the one guy in the middle of the field. It was a little high - granted he was flushed out of the pocket and threw it 40 yards down the field, so not sure anyone can expect a perfectly thrown pass right at the numbers.Other than the egregious holding calls that weren’t called, sure. Despite all that, he gets credit for escaping. Many QBs would have gone down there. But he basically just wound up and threw the ball up for grabs and Tyree made a great catch.