How many players have missed as much time as Wynn has this early in his career and gone on to do anything? He's played maybe 200 total pro snaps, including the preseason, and suffered two major injuries.
It's a bit hard to extrapolate, as players have missed their rookie years with injury and have gone on to productive careers. While not analogous, Ben Watson missed quite a bit of time early on his career. Marcus Cannon as well. Folks were writing Gronk off nearly every year.How many players have missed as much time as Wynn has this early in his career and gone on to do anything? He's played maybe 200 total pro snaps, including the preseason, and suffered two major injuries.
Worked for Nixon
Mojo.Richard? Trot? Russ?
None of these players missed close to as much time as Wynn. Watson missed basically his whole rookie year but played 15 games in year two. Cannon started on PUP/NFI (because of cancer, not injury) but played 7 games as rookie and was healthy Y2. Gronk played all 16 games both of his first two years (he did miss his whole final year of college). I'm struggling to think of a positive precedent; more guys like Easley or Senquez Golson come to mind.It's a bit hard to extrapolate, as players have missed their rookie years with injury and have gone on to productive careers. While not analogous, Ben Watson missed quite a bit of time early on his career. Marcus Cannon as well. Folks were writing Gronk off nearly every year.
Easley had a chronic knee injury, and he did not follow the team's rehab program.None of these players missed close to as much time as Wynn. Watson missed basically his whole rookie year but played 15 games in year two. Cannon started on PUP/NFI (because of cancer, not injury) but played 7 games as rookie and was healthy Y2. Gronk played all 16 games both of his first two years (he did miss his whole final year of college). I'm struggling to think of a positive precedent; more guys like Easley or Senquez Golson come to mind.
For sure. But he also played more games as rookie (11) than Wynn will in his first two seasons combined.Easley had a chronic knee injury, and he did not follow the team's rehab program.
God, it’d have to be SUPER awful, given the latest parameters. #newrulesOn a related note I’m surprised not to have seen mentioned yet, wtf Russell Bodine? For a moment the rationale for his getting disappeared was he needed a week to pick up the system, but that story’s dated now. Did he do something awful the Pats discovered?
Hasn’t landed anywhere else either. Pissing away a straight sixth rounder (no pick swap) sucks.
Then your line could use some fixin'He don't work here.
Two thoughts:On a related note I’m surprised not to have seen mentioned yet, wtf Russell Bodine? For a moment the rationale for his getting disappeared was he needed a week to pick up the system, but that story’s dated now. Did he do something awful the Pats discovered?
Hasn’t landed anywhere else either. Pissing away a straight sixth rounder (no pick swap) sucks.
Besides, they have the Jets's sixthI'm not sweating a sixth. They haven't had a sixth stick since Karras and Roberts in 2016.
Bill needs to get down to the Philly Pizza Company and pry away Lane Johnson.Then your line could use some fixin'
I think the issue here is purely about cap space. The only way they could make it happen is by pushing even bigger hits into 2020.I would try to pry Trent Williams out of the dysfunctional, delusional, short sighted and vindictive mess in Washington DC.
They would probably hang up the phone precisely because he would go from hell to heaven with a good shot at a ring. But I would try.
Fwiw, I feel way better about Dante's ability to patch together a decent line with a week of prep. There's a dropoff fromm the starters, by definition, but they can gameplan around the replacements' weaknesses in practice.Newhouse to start at LT against Jets--"Really a smart player" per Dante.
I worry about the ability of every player to stay healthy.Am I the only one worried about his ability to stay healthy?
If the Eagles O line performance was any indication, one guy can make a pretty damn big difference. 10 points prior to Lane Johnson injury / 0 sacks vs. 0 points / 5 sacks after.Let's say Wynn comes back and it is a strong LT that doesnt need help.
Is that one change enough to fix what appear to be multiple holes on the line?
Does getting everyone back into position, and not having to help as much on that edge, help that much?
The drop to the replacement level is also worth noting. Andrews is a great center, but the drop to Karras hasn't been that bad. The drop to Newhouse has been precipitous, to put it lightly. Normies like me can watch him getting beat like a Bugs Bunny villain, play after play, it just jumps off the screen at you.I think the o-line is the #1 position group where having a truly weak link can have a domino effect that hurts the performance of the entire line, so getting Wynn back could really improve things across the board.
I don’t know if “fixed” is the right word. Maybe “massively improve” is more likely. Right now they’re pretty much a terrible offensive line. Wynn could upgrade them to decent. Which is probably enough given Brady + the defense.Let's say Wynn comes back and it is a strong LT that doesnt need help.
Is that one change enough to fix what appear to be multiple holes on the line?
Does getting everyone back into position, and not having to help as much on that edge, help that much?
I'm not sure I agree with this, not completely anyway. Karras may be ok as a blocker, but to me the real drop-off is from Andrews' communications skills. Maybe Karras gets better at it -- but it's clear Andrews has been a star on the line since 2016 for more than just his blocking abilities. I'd be interested to know how close he and Brady are -- I'd guess pretty close.The drop to the replacement level is also worth noting. Andrews is a great center, but the drop to Karras hasn't been that bad. The drop to Newhouse has been precipitous, to put it lightly. Normies like me can watch him getting beat like a Bugs Bunny villain, play after play, it just jumps off the screen at you.
This is on point. Every position group needs a leader, a go-to guy. That was Andrews. The triple loss of Gronk, Andrews and Devlin f'd the run gameI'm not sure I agree with this, not completely anyway. Karras may be ok as a blocker, but to me the real drop-off is from Andrews' communications skills. Maybe Karras gets better at it -- but it's clear Andrews has been a star on the line since 2016 for more than just his blocking abilities. I'd be interested to know how close he and Brady are -- I'd guess pretty close.
Quadruple loss: T Brown / Wynn at LT. And you can also throw in a downgrade at TE2 from Dwayne Allen. That's a lot of downgrades.This is on point. Every position group needs a leader, a go-to guy. That was Andrews. The triple loss of Gronk, Andrews and Devlin f'd the run game
True that.Quadruple loss: T Brown / Wynn at LT. And you can also throw in a downgrade at TE2 from Dwayne Allen. That's a lot of downgrades.
I don't think Shaq Mason has been the same this year either. Maybe that's Andrews missing, maybe it's injury, I don't know. His PFF grade has slipped a lot, which matches the eye test. So now we're talking dropoffs on 60% of the OL, both TE (don't forget Allen's blocking), and FB. Wynn's return hopefully fixes one of those problems but that still leaves four or five more.This is on point. Every position group needs a leader, a go-to guy. That was Andrews. The triple loss of Gronk, Andrews and Devlin f'd the run game
None of these facts will stop the yahoos out there from saying it's Brady's decline. A running game and a clean pocket can make rich men out of the Chris Hogans of this worldI don't think Shaq Mason has been the same this year either. Maybe that's Andrews missing, maybe it's injury, I don't know. His PFF grade has slipped a lot, which matches the eye test. So now we're talking dropoffs on 60% of the OL, both TE (don't forget Allen's blocking), and FB. Wynn's return hopefully fixes one of those problems but that still leaves four or five more.
steelers have a good run defense?In Game 1 this season, when Wynn was still healthy, the Pats rushed 29 times for 99 yards (3.4 ypa). For the season, they are averaging 91.0 RYG, and 3.3 ypa. Now a lot has happened elsewhere in that offense, but it doesn't seem like this team was a rushing juggernaut until Wynn went down.
It’s all that. Bad OL. Missing key blockers. Runners haven’t done a good job getting extra yards. And Brady hasn’t been as sharp as usual.None of these facts will stop the yahoos out there from saying it's Brady's decline. A running game and a clean pocket can make rich men out of the Chris Hogans of this world
The Steelers are the #3 overall defense by DVOA (although only #11 vs. the run). They are #5 in the league in terms of YPC against. So they're pretty good. They also focused heavily on stopping the run when Sony was in there - the other backs had a lot more success. Sony had a bunch of short conversions in that game IIRC which decreased the Pats YPC.In Game 1 this season, when Wynn was still healthy, the Pats rushed 29 times for 99 yards (3.4 ypa). For the season, they are averaging 91.0 RYG, and 3.3 ypa. Now a lot has happened elsewhere in that offense, but it doesn't seem like this team was a rushing juggernaut until Wynn went down.
It's obviously a different time and position. But back in the 80s, I remember we had Brian Holloway come speak to our K-9 school. My math teacher (and basketball coach) *hated* Brian Holloway and said his entire reputation was based on John Hannah being All-World. And sure enough, the second Hannah retired, Holloway was a shell of his former self (and actually was a shell in SBXX when Richard Dent destroyed him). So I do think sometimes players on the OL are dependent on the guys next to them.I don't think Shaq Mason has been the same this year either. Maybe that's Andrews missing, maybe it's injury, I don't know. His PFF grade has slipped a lot, which matches the eye test.
I remember watching one play a few weeks back that should have been a double-team block, with Karras putting an arm on the DT so Mason had the opportunity to get good position to seal him off and drive. Then Karras could go to the second level, but Karras just went straight there without getting a hand on the DT and Mason got hung out to dry and rolled. That was just one play and maybe not something that has been happening regularly, but the amount of timing and coordination required on middle runs, especially in a power blocking scheme, is pretty intense. So it wouldn't surprise me if that's a big factor. But I don't think he's been as sharp in pass pro either, which is likely more on him.It's obviously a different time and position. But back in the 80s, I remember we had Brian Holloway come speak to our K-9 school. My math teacher (and basketball coach) *hated* Brian Holloway and said his entire reputation was based on John Hannah being All-World. And sure enough, the second Hannah retired, Holloway was a shell of his former self (and actually was a shell in SBXX when Richard Dent destroyed him). So I do think sometimes players on the OL are dependent on the guys next to them.