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HomeRunBaker

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I imagine the entire Bulls front office is popping champagne corks with the work they have done over the last year (while getting torched this summer by many NBA pundits/media).

Besides the DeMar deal
1. Caruso signing - 28 games in/fan favorite + ridiculously good on-ball defense.
2. Lonzo Ball S&T robbery (sketchy tactics be damned)
3. Ayo - 2nd round/38th pick
4. Javonte Greene added for flotsam
5. DJJr + a 1st + 2nd for letting Lauri sign elsewhere
6. The Vucevic deal which cost them Franz could turn out to be somewhat questionable, but they needed to get good quick
7. Most importantly they are not a lottery-bound team and massively increased their odds in retaining Zach Lavine
I loved the Bulls move as was discussed in one of those preseason threads. Obv I’m a DeRozan apologist, always was pro-Lonzo (remember when people said he can’t shoot?) but even I didn’t expect this and I was concerned about their bench. It’s all come together pretty incredible for them in the regular season. Even if they land a 1-seed however I don’t expect them to go very deep once the playoffs arrive.
 

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I loved the Bulls move as was discussed in one of those preseason threads. Obv I’m a DeRozan apologist, always was pro-Lonzo (remember when people said he can’t shoot?) but even I didn’t expect this and I was concerned about their bench. It’s all come together pretty incredible for them in the regular season. Even if they land a 1-seed however I don’t expect them to go very deep once the playoffs arrive.
nice, I was also left scratching my head at how low-rated the Bulls off-season was graded?

Yea I dug up my pre-season thoughts and liked the Hawks, Bulls, Heat, Celtics (gave PBS an A-) front office work best.

Still think the ATL will make a run and combine assets to make a bigger deal this summer. Loved that Collins signing at that price.

The Hawks (Heat/Bulls also in the running) are the only teams that had a better offseason than the Celtics IMO
 

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I imagine the entire Bulls front office is popping champagne corks with the work they have done over the last year (while getting torched this summer by many NBA pundits/media).

Besides the DeMar deal
1. Caruso signing - 28 games in/fan favorite + ridiculously good on-ball defense.
2. Lonzo Ball S&T robbery (sketchy tactics be damned)
3. Ayo - 2nd round/38th pick
4. Javonte Greene added for flotsam
5. DJJr + a 1st + 2nd for letting Lauri sign elsewhere
6. The Vucevic deal which cost them Franz could turn out to be somewhat questionable, but they needed to get good quick
7. Most importantly they are not a lottery-bound team and massively increased their odds in retaining Zach Lavine
Yeah, you're totally right. They've gotta be happy across the board.
 

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nice, I was also left scratching my head at how low-rated the Bulls off-season was graded?

Yea I dug up my pre-season thoughts and liked the Hawks, Bulls, Heat, Celtics (gave PBS an A-) front office work best.

Still think the ATL will make a run and combine assets to make a bigger deal this summer. Loved that Collins signing at that price.
The Bulls came right out of the gate in the preseason as well which has value as has been discussed in the past.
 

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The Bulls came right out of the gate in the preseason as well which has value as has been discussed in the past.
Here were Hoops Hype ratings (JM3 was kind enough to post them at the time). I always like going back over these things during All-Star weekend*. If anyone has any other media Summer grades please post.

They absolutely nailed the LAKERS/Westbrook effect but missed on the CAVs, 76ers, Zards, Knicks, Bulls and elsewhere


*for the 100x I'm NOT an All-Star game fan at all, BUT give Silver some credit by experimenting with gimmicks like ELAM-ending/Player picks...maybe we should prepare for the 4pt play eventually?

The 1st site I found with free agency team grades was Hoops Hype, but couldn't find anything more recent which would include Schröder. Not much else has happened in last 6 days, though, but that would definitely be a bump to Celtics.

A: Wizards
A-: Hawks, Knicks
B+: Nets, Clippers, Heat, Bucks, Suns, Jazz
B: Hornets, Pistons, Rockets, Grizzlies, Thunder, Blazers, Spurs
B-: Celtics, Bulls, Nugs, Warriors, Pacers, Kings, Raptors
C+: Mavs, Wolves, Magic
C: 76ers
C-: Cavs
D+: Lakers, Pels

They seem addicted to giving good teams which didn't do much B+ grades.

Oh, & they hate Russell Westbrook.
 

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The Bulls came right out of the gate in the preseason as well which has value as has been discussed in the past.
How have you fared with your NBA team over/under wins so far? that's usually in your wheelhouse

I recall COVID season you were something crazy like up in 10 out of 11 picks when they stopped the season
 

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How have you fared with your NBA team over/under wins so far? that's usually in your wheelhouse

I recall COVID season you were something crazy like up in 10 out of 11 picks when they stopped the season
Yeah and the year before I was staring at like 8-1 under three of the teams had massive reversals in the final two weeks. The Covid year was a crusher though as I had invested more than triple of previous years.

This year I was about 10% of that with still so much uncertainty if the season would be completed in full. I’m actually surprised that it will be. I’m split right down the middle…….easy wins with Memphis & Cleveland, convincing losses with Phoenix & Golden St, with Utah’sOver 52.5 on the fence. Either way inconsequential but I’m kicking myself on the Bulls as they were primed to be my hammer play until the number came in too high for my liking so I passed. I’ll be back at it good next year though.

I’ve got some small in-season plays from as recent as 10 days ago:

Cleveland to win Division +800
DeRozen MVP +3200 (this is the one from 10 days ago)
Boston win Atlantic
Toronto win Atlantic
And a couple obscure things that I’d have to look up.
 

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I'm having some trouble thinking of a comparable situation. Embiid and Oden are the first that come to mind, but neither really fits. With Embiid, both he and the Sixers were on the same page regarding his availability over his first couple of years, and it seems like the Pelicans are desperate for him to play (and Embiid clearly wanted to be in Philly). With Oden, while he did show some promise in his limited time over his first few years, he didn't show a fraction of the ability Zion has flashed so far.
 

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Oden seemed like he could be a Gobert type if he got healthy/put it all together, agreed that doesn’t put him in Zion’s class. Another difference is it feels like there’s effort missing in the Zion equation…
 

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Oden came along during a time where people still thought that having a dominant Center was how you won in the NBA, and coming out of college people believed that he could be that. Obviously there were injury concerns, but there was also the belief that he was the next David Robinson. Oden's issue was that he just always got hurt.

Zion feels different. You have the injuries, but you also have the lack of commitment to fitness (something that wasn't an issue IIRC with Oden) which contribute to the injury concerns, and now this game with New Orleans were he clearly doesn't want to play in New Orleans anymore, a shameful bailing on an organization after 85 career games.
 

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Oden came along during a time where people still thought that having a dominant Center was how you won in the NBA, and coming out of college people believed that he could be that. Obviously there were injury concerns, but there was also the belief that he was the next David Robinson. Oden's issue was that he just always got hurt.

Zion feels different. You have the injuries, but you also have the lack of commitment to fitness (something that wasn't an issue IIRC with Oden) which contribute to the injury concerns, and now this game with New Orleans were he clearly doesn't want to play in New Orleans anymore, a shameful bailing on an organization after 85 career games.
It really seems like he’s getting bad advice from the people around him (agent/family/hanger ons).
I’m a Duke fan and watching his press conferences and interviews he always seemed like a really good kid but pretty impressionable. Unfortunately I think being that impressionable is really hurting his image to the public
 

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It really seems like he’s getting bad advice from the people around him (agent/family/hanger ons).
I’m a Duke fan and watching his press conferences and interviews he always seemed like a really good kid but pretty impressionable. Unfortunately I think being that impressionable is really hurting his image to the public
Is it bad advice though? He has a broken foot, is (very) overweight, and reportedly doesn’t want to be in New Orleans. Pulling the Simmons card is certainly in play here and it won’t even cost him anything this year.
 

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I wonder if CP3, not taking the game off, cost Jaylen Brown or Siakam a shot?

Seems rather selfish to play a couple of minutes unhealthy
 

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I wonder if CP3, not taking the game off, cost Jaylen Brown or Siakam a shot?

Seems rather selfish to play a couple of minutes unhealthy
Meh. It’s his spot. If he can go for a little bit I don’t have a problem with it. Each year we always seen a guy or two on each team banged up a little so they get one rotation and call it a night. The honor isn’t about the game it’s about everything that goes on around the game……at least that’s how I feel.
 

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I'm quite certain it didn't since he's in the west. Might have cost someone like Conley
Ha, I don't follow it close enough. All thrown into a draft BUT you're right they get selected via WC//EC first.

There were a few people convinced Jaylen was going CAP WISE o_O

More importantly, where is the Celtics' cap now? and can PBS bid more than the vet min for a player?
 

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Meh. It’s his spot. If he can go for a little bit I don’t have a problem with it. Each year we always seen a guy or two on each team banged up a little so they get one rotation and call it a night. The honor isn’t about the game it’s about everything that goes on around the game……at least that’s how I feel.
I saw Harden showed up. I imagine he couldn't give a darn about the game and is there for the adult entertainment
 

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I saw Harden showed up. I imagine he couldn't give a darn about the game and is there for the adult entertainment
I flipping loved that Cleveland booed the shit out of him in his introduction. It was so random and unexpected. It felt like a boo from the nba community as a whole
 

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Clearly a holdover from those NBA Finals series.
Especially in retrospect ... having the same two Finalists four straight seasons from 2014-15 to 2017-18 is one of the more bizarre phenomena in hoops/sports history. The fact that those teams were the Cleveland Cavaliers and Golden State Warriors is bizarrer still. Imagine if someone had told you in like 2012 (Cavs 21-45, Warriors 23-43) that that would occur?

Heck, even the mighty Celtics and Lakers never met more than twice consecutively (though the fact that they've met twelve times total, in three or four separate eras, is another one of the more bizarre sports phenomena ever).
 
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LeBron saying that whatever team wants him should draft Bronny, and him floating the balloon out there about a Cleveland return, is pretty fascinating. I wonder how that develops over the next few years.

Bronny James is currently ranked as the 43rd best recruit in the Class of 2023. Assuming that is really a honest ranking and in no-way is influenced by him being LeBron's son, that would mean it is unlikely, but not impossible for him to be a real NBA player. Certainly, it would seem to be unlikely that he would be 1-and-done and be ready for the NBA, but who knows, a lot could happen over the next few years and he could potentially play his way into becoming that type of prospect.

How valuable will LeBron be in 2024 or later? Is he worth potentially wasting a draft slot on Bronny? And if so, how high of a pick will a team go to try to nab LeBron? Would a team waste a lottery pick on Bronny if it meant getting LeBron? What if drafting Bronny meant more than just LeBron playing; what if it meant putting your franchise in the good graces of LeBron/Klutch? And what would it be like trying to manage a team with LeBron AND a probably-not-ready Bronny? Would you have to play Bronny minutes?

It could all just be posturing and smoke, but it leads to some interesting possibilities.
 

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Especially in retrospect ... having the same two Finalists four straight seasons from 2014-15 to 2017-18 is one of the more bizarre phenomena in hoops/sports history. The fact that those teams were the Cleveland Cavaliers and Golden State Warriors is bizarrer still. Imagine if someone had told you in like 2012 (Cavs 21-45, Warriors 23-43) that that would occur?

Heck, even the mighty Celtics and Lakers never met more than twice consecutively (though the fact that they've met twelve times total, in three or four separate eras, is another one of the more bizarre sports phenomena ever).
Had the Lakers not tapped out in 86 against Houston, it would have been four straight.
 

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LeBron saying that whatever team wants him should draft Bronny, and him floating the balloon out there about a Cleveland return, is pretty fascinating. I wonder how that develops over the next few years.

Bronny James is currently ranked as the 43rd best recruit in the Class of 2023. Assuming that is really a honest ranking and in no-way is influenced by him being LeBron's son, that would mean it is unlikely, but not impossible for him to be a real NBA player. Certainly, it would seem to be unlikely that he would be 1-and-done and be ready for the NBA, but who knows, a lot could happen over the next few years and he could potentially play his way into becoming that type of prospect.

How valuable will LeBron be in 2024 or later? Is he worth potentially wasting a draft slot on Bronny? And if so, how high of a pick will a team go to try to nab LeBron? Would a team waste a lottery pick on Bronny if it meant getting LeBron? What if drafting Bronny meant more than just LeBron playing; what if it meant putting your franchise in the good graces of LeBron/Klutch? And what would it be like trying to manage a team with LeBron AND a probably-not-ready Bronny? Would you have to play Bronny minutes?

It could all just be posturing and smoke, but it leads to some interesting possibilities.
Lebron is a basketball savant. Even if he has lost two steps, he'll almost certainly still be a valuable player absent a significant injury. Throwing a low first at his kid to get him is probably a no brainer for a lot of teams, and he knows that.
 

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LeBron saying that whatever team wants him should draft Bronny, and him floating the balloon out there about a Cleveland return, is pretty fascinating. I wonder how that develops over the next few years.

Bronny James is currently ranked as the 43rd best recruit in the Class of 2023. Assuming that is really a honest ranking and in no-way is influenced by him being LeBron's son, that would mean it is unlikely, but not impossible for him to be a real NBA player. Certainly, it would seem to be unlikely that he would be 1-and-done and be ready for the NBA, but who knows, a lot could happen over the next few years and he could potentially play his way into becoming that type of prospect.

How valuable will LeBron be in 2024 or later? Is he worth potentially wasting a draft slot on Bronny? And if so, how high of a pick will a team go to try to nab LeBron? Would a team waste a lottery pick on Bronny if it meant getting LeBron? What if drafting Bronny meant more than just LeBron playing; what if it meant putting your franchise in the good graces of LeBron/Klutch? And what would it be like trying to manage a team with LeBron AND a probably-not-ready Bronny? Would you have to play Bronny minutes?

It could all just be posturing and smoke, but it leads to some interesting possibilities.
This situation just screams Knicks to me.
 

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Came in here to post the windhorst story but everyone got the gist already.

Lebron is probably gone this summer. Lakers fans are done with him and AD (who they genuinely despise). I don't know if it's possible but I'd send both their asses to NY as a package.

It just depends on what they can get for them. Lebron will be an interesting move at this point in his career. His value is hard to assess, i know he still puts up great numbers but his impact on games is diminished.

With AD, if he's on the roster starting next year, I'd be shocked. I know lakers fans will be outraged. They hate the guy.
 

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The Windhorst story makes LeBron sound ridiculous. He was mad that the Lakers didn't make any moves at the trade deadline? With what assets? It seems to come under the premise that LeBron had nothing to do with any previous Laker front-office decisions, which I find very difficult to believe. LeBron chose to go to a bad team, that had some promising young players and draft capitol. They traded a lot of those pieces away to land Davis, an elite two-way player that has had injury issues throughout his career, and then after last season they traded the remaining pieces away for Westbrook, a disastrous move.

As Windhorst points out, LeBron has made a career off of bouncing around teams, forcing them to go all-in during his windows, and then leaving when the wheels start coming off.

There are a lot of intriguing things about where this is headed. At this stage of his career, and in the upcoming years, just how valuable is LeBron as a player, and what kind of investment should a franchise make in attaining/retaining him? LeBron isn't at the stage of his career when he can drag any supporting cast to competitiveness, as we are seeing with the Lakers this season. So he'll need to presumably go to a team with better/more reliable talent than the Lakers. At the same time does a team on the cusp of winning a title already want to bring in LeBron? And deal with GM LeBron/Bronny James/Klutch?

I also think it's possible to look at the way LeBron plays the game (very ball-dominant) and wonder how he fits with other superstars at this stage of his career. He has a habit of turning star players into more role-player types and maybe that was worth it when LeBron was dominant enough that he could win 60 games with a bunch if role-players, but the league has evolved and that isn't the case anymore. Is LeBron somebody you want to give up a ton for to pair with someone like the Js? That sounds like a crazy question, but if I really think about it, I'm not sure if that ends up working out.
 

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LeBron saying that whatever team wants him should draft Bronny, and him floating the balloon out there about a Cleveland return, is pretty fascinating. I wonder how that develops over the next few years.

Bronny James is currently ranked as the 43rd best recruit in the Class of 2023. Assuming that is really a honest ranking and in no-way is influenced by him being LeBron's son, that would mean it is unlikely, but not impossible for him to be a real NBA player. Certainly, it would seem to be unlikely that he would be 1-and-done and be ready for the NBA, but who knows, a lot could happen over the next few years and he could potentially play his way into becoming that type of prospect.

How valuable will LeBron be in 2024 or later? Is he worth potentially wasting a draft slot on Bronny? And if so, how high of a pick will a team go to try to nab LeBron? Would a team waste a lottery pick on Bronny if it meant getting LeBron? What if drafting Bronny meant more than just LeBron playing; what if it meant putting your franchise in the good graces of LeBron/Klutch? And what would it be like trying to manage a team with LeBron AND a probably-not-ready Bronny? Would you have to play Bronny minutes?

It could all just be posturing and smoke, but it leads to some interesting possibilities.
ESPN has their high school rankings online going back to 2007:

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/class/2007/order/true

Looking at #43 from each year, I only recognize one guy: Donovan Mitchell. Granted I don't follow college bball that closely, but he seems like a pretty fringe prospect at this point. He's still got two more years of development though, and this makes him a guarantee to be drafted (though maybe not in the 1st round).
 

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ESPN has their high school rankings online going back to 2007:

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/class/2007/order/true

Looking at #43 from each year, I only recognize one guy: Donovan Mitchell. Granted I don't follow college bball that closely, but he seems like a pretty fringe prospect at this point. He's still got two more years of development though, and this makes him a guarantee to be drafted (though maybe not in the 1st round).
Yeah, I didn't want to do the effort of seeing how likely someone at #43 is to make the league. Just looking at a few years at random at players ranked in the 40s who made the NBA (off the top of my head).

2007: JaJuan Johnson, Chandler Parsons, Evan Turner, James Johnson
2010: Dwight Powell, Phil Pressey (Waltham High School alum!), Meyers Leonard
2012: Willie Cauley-Stein, Ryan Arcidiacono, Justin Anderson
2015: Chimezie Metu, Donovan Mitchell, Dejountae Murray
2017: Daniel Gafford
2020: Moses Moody

So some guys who went on to notable NBA careers, but not a lot. That again is assuming Bronny is a real #43 level prospect and not necessarily benefitting at all from playing for Sierra Canyon and being LeBron's son. More importantly, we are looking at players who spent at least two years in college before becoming ready to be NBA players. So we might be talking 4-5 years waiting for Bronny to make the league.
 

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ESPN has their high school rankings online going back to 2007:

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/class/2007/order/true

Looking at #43 from each year, I only recognize one guy: Donovan Mitchell. Granted I don't follow college bball that closely, but he seems like a pretty fringe prospect at this point. He's still got two more years of development though, and this makes him a guarantee to be drafted (though maybe not in the 1st round).
I think at this early stage, whether or not Bronny makes it will still be up to him and his growth, whether that be in terms of skills or physical attributes. I browsed these lists and there are a few players in every class around or below #43 that stuck around to be, at the very least, useful NBA players for a few seasons. A non-exhaustive list of the names I noticed:

2007 - Chandler Parsons #44, Evan Turner #49, James Johnson #50, Jeff Teague #67
2008 - Miles Plumlee #47, Klay Thompson #53, DeAndre Liggins #57, Reggie Jackson #94
2009 - Solomon Hill 54, Kawhi 56, Derrick Williams 72, Khris Middleton 82
2010 - Meyers Leonard 47, Jerian Grant 96
2011 - Otto Porter 42, Ben McLemore 49, Norm Powell 52, Malcolm Brogdon 73, Trey Burke 84
2012 - Georges Niang 56, Rozier 74, Nik Stauskas 76, Fred Van Vleet 83, Montrezl Harrell 90
2013 - Semi Ojeleye 40, Zach LaVine 50, Kendrick Nunn 61, Christian Wood 71, Jordan Bell 78, Monte Morris 84, Josh Hart 92
2014 - Mikal Bridges 82
2015 - Dejounte Murray 49, Marquese Chriss 60, Shake Milton 79, Terance Mann 86, Aaron Holiday 88
 

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Having them play together would be a nice story, but I think it was a mistake to make this public statement. Whether or not the kid is any good, people are going to say he was drafted just to get Lebron. That’s a lot for a 19 year old to have on his shoulders, especially when one is already living in the shadow of one of the greatest players ever.
 

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Having them play together would be a nice story, but I think it was a mistake to make this public statement. Whether or not the kid is any good, people are going to say he was drafted just to get Lebron. That’s a lot for a 19 year old to have on his shoulders, especially when one is already living in the shadow of one of the greatest players ever.
He could always go undrafted and have some team give him a 2 way. That probably just adds the the whole "He's only here because of LeBron" factor but heh.
 

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Came in here to post the windhorst story but everyone got the gist already.

Lebron is probably gone this summer. Lakers fans are done with him and AD (who they genuinely despise). I don't know if it's possible but I'd send both their asses to NY as a package.

It just depends on what they can get for them. Lebron will be an interesting move at this point in his career. His value is hard to assess, i know he still puts up great numbers but his impact on games is diminished.

With AD, if he's on the roster starting next year, I'd be shocked. I know lakers fans will be outraged. They hate the guy.
On February 15, Windhorst recorded a podcast with Ramona Shelburne and Dave McMenamin to talk about the Lakers’ inactivity at the trade deadline, but it played out as a dispute by proxy between the Lakers and Lebron. Shelburne is deeply connected with Jeanie Buss and McMenamin likewise with Klutch.

Based on that conversation, it seems like the two sides are far apart. McMenamin blowtorched Westbrook and basically declared him finished, while Shelburne suggested no major roster turnover will be coming this off-season either. Combine that with the story Windhorst relayed about Lebron quitting on the Cavs until they shipped out IT, and it easy to see this relationship getting worse from here.
 

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Barring trading LeBron or AD, there are no more moves for the Lakers to really make. They don't have any real assets on the roster as far as young players go, and they don't have a ton of draft capitol. They had no choice but to stan pat.
 

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What’s going on with Ben Simmons now? I haven’t seen any discussion of when he might play for the Nets? I know he needs to work on his conditioning, but would seem like after a week or two he should be able to play at least some. Maybe they want to wait until KD is back? Of course, if they wait too long they may lose their way out of even the play in game.
 

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What’s going on with Ben Simmons now? I haven’t seen any discussion of when he might play for the Nets? I know he needs to work on his conditioning, but would seem like after a week or two he should be able to play at least some. Maybe they want to wait until KD is back? Of course, if they wait too long they may lose their way out of even the play in game.
IIRC early-mid March was the timeline I heard for his return. I would think that if some of these random guys like Joe Johnson, Lance Stephenson, etc. could get signed on short notice and presumably be in game shape, that Simmons could at least get on the floor and play 10-15 minutes. You would think you'd want him in Brooklyn ASAP, thinking you would want him as ready as possible for the playoffs.
 

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The Windhorst story makes LeBron sound ridiculous. He was mad that the Lakers didn't make any moves at the trade deadline? With what assets? It seems to come under the premise that LeBron had nothing to do with any previous Laker front-office decisions, which I find very difficult to believe. LeBron chose to go to a bad team, that had some promising young players and draft capitol. They traded a lot of those pieces away to land Davis, an elite two-way player that has had injury issues throughout his career, and then after last season they traded the remaining pieces away for Westbrook, a disastrous move.

As Windhorst points out, LeBron has made a career off of bouncing around teams, forcing them to go all-in during his windows, and then leaving when the wheels start coming off.

There are a lot of intriguing things about where this is headed. At this stage of his career, and in the upcoming years, just how valuable is LeBron as a player, and what kind of investment should a franchise make in attaining/retaining him? LeBron isn't at the stage of his career when he can drag any supporting cast to competitiveness, as we are seeing with the Lakers this season. So he'll need to presumably go to a team with better/more reliable talent than the Lakers. At the same time does a team on the cusp of winning a title already want to bring in LeBron? And deal with GM LeBron/Bronny James/Klutch?

I also think it's possible to look at the way LeBron plays the game (very ball-dominant) and wonder how he fits with other superstars at this stage of his career. He has a habit of turning star players into more role-player types and maybe that was worth it when LeBron was dominant enough that he could win 60 games with a bunch if role-players, but the league has evolved and that isn't the case anymore. Is LeBron somebody you want to give up a ton for to pair with someone like the Js? That sounds like a crazy question, but if I really think about it, I'm not sure if that ends up working out.
Agree with a lot of this, but supposedly Westbrook, a 1st (2027) and THT for Wall and Wood was on the table from Houston. For a team that's going nowhere, I don't see how the Lakers don't do that deal (if it was indeed offered). They get rid of the Westbrook albatross for a guy in Wall who is no better and likely worse, but has accepted that, so will be okay with a bench role. That puts LBJ back into playing point which is where he should always be and is why the trade for Westbrook was so incredibly dumb (aside from his ineffectiveness, he also filled a hole the Lakers didn't have, didn't fill holes they did have, and trading decent roleplayers for him opened up other holes). And then you add Wood who is definitely a head case, but also talented. Wood would be a great fill-in for AD while he's injured and would seem to fit well with AD when (if?) he's back.
 

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I don't know anything about THT, but that deal seems like an absolute steal for the Lakers. I mean, you are trading Westbrook for a guy who doesn't play - but that still could be net positive for them.
 

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I don't know anything about THT, but that deal seems like an absolute steal for the Lakers. I mean, you are trading Westbrook for a guy who doesn't play - but that still could be net positive for them.
But isn't he capable of playing? Wall is a weird one. Lotta guys who can play sitting out nowadays.
 

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I am like a week late but it was a real treat to see the annual Cesar Crespo "math is dumb" take imported from a time machine from the year 2003 dropped into the Derozan discussion.
 

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IIRC early-mid March was the timeline I heard for his return. I would think that if some of these random guys like Joe Johnson, Lance Stephenson, etc. could get signed on short notice and presumably be in game shape, that Simmons could at least get on the floor and play 10-15 minutes. You would think you'd want him in Brooklyn ASAP, thinking you would want him as ready as possible for the playoffs.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Ben's first game is March 13 against the Knicks at home. I just don't see him playing in Philly on March 10.
 

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I am like a week late but it was a real treat to see the annual Cesar Crespo "math is dumb" take imported from a time machine from the year 2003 dropped into the Derozan discussion.
Because that's my take. My take is all in ones are dumb. Bpwiac even mentioned teams are getting away from those because they offer nothing from a team building perspective and tell you nothing about fit. I even said I wanted more numbers that honed in on specific skill sets and fit. That's what he said teams are looking for too! Shocker. All in ones are made for lazy fans.

Also, look at my post. I am very math friendly. At least get the argument right. All in ones are stupid, and NBA teams are moving away from them.

edit: Again, I want more numbers, more stats. Not less. All in ones take a whole shit load of information and press it down into 1 number. I'd rather see the whole shit load of information.