Yeah, I think the general public does not understand the typical amount of aggression and provocation takes place in college/pro sports when it comes to coaches working their players.
2021-22 NBA Off-season Thread
- Thread starter JohnnyTheBone
- Start date
I don't think what's being described here is normal in the pros. At all. The NBA is a player's league and coaches have to treat guys with respect or they'll lose the team -- witness what has happened to recent college coaches who tried to take their approach to the NBA. Kidd does have more cred than that, which is probably why he has another job, but...no, what's described isn't normal and won't work anywhere in the NBA.
Hopefully for the Mavs Kidd's stint as an assistant has matured him a bit. Given his domestic violence history, though, he seems unstable.
Hopefully for the Mavs Kidd's stint as an assistant has matured him a bit. Given his domestic violence history, though, he seems unstable.
View: https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1425543622062088198?s=20
Shams: Udonis Haslem will return to the Miami Heat on a one-year, $2.6M deal for his 19th NBA season with the franchise.
He played 1 game (3 minutes) last year, 44 minutes the year before that, 72 and 74 the two years before that, etc. Nice work if you can get it.
Shams: Udonis Haslem will return to the Miami Heat on a one-year, $2.6M deal for his 19th NBA season with the franchise.
He played 1 game (3 minutes) last year, 44 minutes the year before that, 72 and 74 the two years before that, etc. Nice work if you can get it.
With Brady moving on, is he the longest tenured player in sports? He must be.
He's played exactly one full season's worth of games (82) total over the last six years. Dude's basically got Heat tenure at this point, not too shabby for an undrafted player entering his 20th season as a pro.
If Luka decides he doesn't feel like dealing with Kidd's BS, then Kidd will be the one looking for a new job.
It will be interesting for sure. I have to think Kidd is attractive to Luka, but Luka didn't gel well with Carlisle, who famously rides his PGs very hard. How will he interact with Kidd? And how will Kidd deal with coaching a PG of Luka's caliber? I really don't think Kidd is a very good coach so I doubt it works well, but it could blow up spectacularly.
Those Kidd stories suck, but also are exactly what I would expect, Jason Kidd has been well known to be an absolutely trash human being since he was what... 20?
So strange to me Miami keeps giving him a contract. Why not hire him as a coach and push his salary off the cap?
Miami does a lot of weird things that people kind of give them a pass on because they have a strong history of winning; but I think a lot of those weird things are unnecessary and are covered up by the fact that Miami is a god-tier destination city for NBA athletes and its super fun to be young and rich there.
My sense is that Carlisle is much more like Belichick in the direct, detailed, and public (within the team) criticism of play. No doubt he’s hard on his PGs, but I’ve never heard anything about Carlisle like the abusive ego trip shit shared about Kidd.
The touchstone coach in this vein is Larry Brown, for who a lot of well known “head cases” like Sheed and Steven Jackson thrived. Larry was demanding and blunt - I remember Billups saying Larry wouldn’t let them practice offense until he was satisfied with their defensive work. But Larry was no bullshit, no games, no obsession with respect or other nonsense. Just ball being played the right way.
I don’t know Luka, but his climb through the European professional ranks surely had him playing for a lot of demanding and aloof managers. If and when Kidd pulls this shit, I hope the players walk out on him. No one deserves that at any salary.
Probably his per 36 minutes stats from this past season, 48 points and 12 rebounds. U made $850k per minute played in 2021.
It appears that Riley likes having a grizzled veteran/player coach on his team, more connected to his players than just in a coaching role. If KG was younger, how great would it be to have him in that role for the Celtics? (until he alienated a bunch of players with his insane intensity)
Kawhi isn't really the paragon of health. The upside for OKC is still pretty interesting considering the age and injury history of him/PG.
What's up with this?
View: https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1427061342016610304?s=20
Woj: The Los Angeles Clippers are trading Patrick Beverley, Rajon Rondo and Daniel Oturu to the Memphis Grizzlies for guard Eric Bledsoe, sources tell ESPN.
View: https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1427061342016610304?s=20
Woj: The Los Angeles Clippers are trading Patrick Beverley, Rajon Rondo and Daniel Oturu to the Memphis Grizzlies for guard Eric Bledsoe, sources tell ESPN.
Well, that’s a weird one. Seems like kind of a push talent-wise; might have been just the Clips tiring of the abrasive personalities of Beverley and Rondo?
Meanwhile, Bledsoe’s career comes full circle…
That was the Grizzlies next move with Bledsoe in dumping his $19.4m in ‘22-‘23. The Clippers got like $5m off their number this year not sure if that was a key tax number or not I’m sure someone here can confirm.
Yep, the Clippers save $30M this year:
View: https://twitter.com/bobbymarks42/status/1427066273444270082?s=21
View: https://twitter.com/bobbymarks42/status/1427066273444270082?s=21
These tax bills this year are BANANAS.
Trade didn’t make much sense at all at first glance since Bledsoe is washed and has 2 overpriced years left. But I guess a tax thing.
Talent wise I’d probably rather just have the Rondo/Beverly combo. Though that’s not anything special either.
Trade didn’t make much sense at all at first glance since Bledsoe is washed and has 2 overpriced years left. But I guess a tax thing.
Talent wise I’d probably rather just have the Rondo/Beverly combo. Though that’s not anything special either.
Bledsoe back to the Clips
Horford back to the Cs
Iguodala back to the Ws
Travis Shaw back to the Sox
…
Horford back to the Cs
Iguodala back to the Ws
Travis Shaw back to the Sox
…
But for one season in France following his draft year, Udonis Haslem has spent his entire life playing basketball in Florida. If not for going to UF instead of UM, he’d have spent nearly all of that in the same area code. One of the great NBA homebody careers of all time.
Clippers owner Steve Ballmer has a $100 billion net worth. Saving $30 million in luxtax probably isn’t that big of a deal to him, but on a tram that doesn’t figure to content, why not?
BTW, Ballmer was worth $19 billion when he dropped two billion on the Clippers in 2014.
BTW, Ballmer was worth $19 billion when he dropped two billion on the Clippers in 2014.
Last edited:
Like that trade for the Clips, not only do they save money, Bledsoe is a better defender than Beverly.
Bledsoe is toast, his D isn't good anymore.
I would take Beverly on D over Bledsoe going forward.
Not to pile on but his eye test the past couple years have been god awful as have his advanced metrics. Nothing to like about this player he’s simply finished and may not even play moving forward with the condition of his knees.
Bledsoe made no effort on a bad team last year (though also, he was fine by basically all metrics in non-Adams minutes) he was a very good defender as recently as the year before both by eye test, metrics and league reputation. RAPTOR had him as between a very good and elite defender from 18-20,
I put little stock in what happens to D when a vet is traded to a bad team surrounded by terrible defenders (especially in the COVID season) for looking at future performance.
If anything the abrupt crash in the advanced metrics makes me more confident he'll be fine, that usually means either a guy isn't trying or he suffered a major injury. Bledsoe's health is allegedly fine, he just looked around and realized he was the only guy playing defense half the time, and packed it in. Maybe his knees are going to be an issue, but until I see otherwise I think he'll be fine, he was always a better defender in a team concept than Beverley (wildly overrated) just saving the money would be good, but I think this has potential to do even more for LAC if he's even remotely healthy.
I put little stock in what happens to D when a vet is traded to a bad team surrounded by terrible defenders (especially in the COVID season) for looking at future performance.
If anything the abrupt crash in the advanced metrics makes me more confident he'll be fine, that usually means either a guy isn't trying or he suffered a major injury. Bledsoe's health is allegedly fine, he just looked around and realized he was the only guy playing defense half the time, and packed it in. Maybe his knees are going to be an issue, but until I see otherwise I think he'll be fine, he was always a better defender in a team concept than Beverley (wildly overrated) just saving the money would be good, but I think this has potential to do even more for LAC if he's even remotely healthy.
Talking about Bledsoe's performance last year reminded me what a tire fire the Pelicans are. What a cursed franchise.
Do folks think Pat Bev and Rondo play on the Grizz this year? The Grizz are not a bad team, so I could see them being helpful backup pieces if they're willing to play that role.
Do folks think Pat Bev and Rondo play on the Grizz this year? The Grizz are not a bad team, so I could see them being helpful backup pieces if they're willing to play that role.
I don’t think either makes it to a presser for the Grizz but it’s all but certain that at least one is gone soon. The Grizz currently have 16 players under contract.
I like a lot of your takes C-D but when arthritis is involved, they are WAY off base. His health isn't fine or even question mark, its worse than that.
Bledseo had his meniscus entirely removed 7 years ago and has progressive arthritis, now severe. He is on the Kemba and IT pathway.
Maybe he gets motivated on a new team and his energy level goes up, but he's simply not the same player. There is a reason he is being passed around in salary dumps, he is on the verge of being a buy out candidate himself.
We'll see, he looked generally fine to me last year. He's getting put in salary dumps because he's wildly overpaid (but also in this case I think LAC see him as an on-court upgrade).
Edit- I don't think he's anything like IT, as to Kemba... maybe, but Kemba is still a pretty good player, he's just not worth anywhere near what he's paid. If Bledsoe is on the Kemba track (but not as far) you can get some decent games out of him. To get that and save money is a coup. I think Bledsoe is more like Horford. He's not what he was, but if you put him in the right positions he'll play pretty well. I also don't see him as a perfect Kemba/IT match in part because he played 70 games last year. If his knees were that bad he'd miss games.
Bledsoe is plenty far along the track. He had a meniscus entirely removed from his right knee is 2014 and another meniscus surgery on his left knee in 2015.
These things don’t progress in a linear or entirely predictable fashion, but you couldn’t have more gigantic red flags than Bledsoe right now.
Over 30, 6’1” guard relying on athleticism and mediocre shooter who just put up a putrid season with known bad arthritis in his knee.
Simply being on the court doesn’t mean his knee is OK. People have different pain tolerances and sometimes the pain flares are unpredictable.
These things don’t progress in a linear or entirely predictable fashion, but you couldn’t have more gigantic red flags than Bledsoe right now.
Over 30, 6’1” guard relying on athleticism and mediocre shooter who just put up a putrid season with known bad arthritis in his knee.
Simply being on the court doesn’t mean his knee is OK. People have different pain tolerances and sometimes the pain flares are unpredictable.
Bledsoe has played 60+ games each of the last 6 seasons which isn't too bad. On the other hand, Beverley has only played 60+ once in the last 4 years.
Saving $30m when you don't have your best player all year is probably ~fine regardless.
2 other possibilities which I haven't really looked into, but will speculate wildly about anyway:
1) Maybe Kawhi doesn't like PBev; &
2) Maybe they want to free up some roster spots for buyouts later in the year if the season is going well.
Saving $30m when you don't have your best player all year is probably ~fine regardless.
2 other possibilities which I haven't really looked into, but will speculate wildly about anyway:
1) Maybe Kawhi doesn't like PBev; &
2) Maybe they want to free up some roster spots for buyouts later in the year if the season is going well.