I’m not as knowledgeable about the MLB draft and I know it’s routine for guys to get drafted in the second or third round to first round money to get them to go pro instead of college.FanGraphs' Kevin Goldstein and Eric Longenhagen 6/14 mock draft:
1. PIT - Marcelo Mayer
2. TEX - Jordan Lawlar
3. DET - Brady House
4. BOS - Jack Leiter
5. BAL - Henry Davis
Mocks to Sox (beginning w/ Callis 5/26 and moving forward, to include MLB, Law, Kiley McDaniel, FanGraphs and Baseball America):
Henry Davis: 2 ( Callis 5/26, Callis 6/9)
Kumar Rocker: 1 (Law 5/27)
Jordan Lawlar: 1 (Mayo 6/2)
Jack Leiter: 1 (FG 6/14)
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Speculating, but teams at the top of the draft have a lot of leverage in the new slotting system. Teams at the top use this for leverage to try and get who they want for less than full slot. It’s easier and smarter to do this when there is no clear cut best available. Unless a team is willing to offer the top value of the pick Leiter can pretty easily say he doesn’t want to sign for less and the team can move on to someone who will. I don’t think Leiter is pushing for the Red Sox over the full slot at #1.I’m not as knowledgeable about the MLB draft and I know it’s routine for guys to get drafted in the second or third round to first round money to get them to go pro instead of college.
What leverage does Leiter actually have if he’s pretty much universally viewed as a top 5 pick? Is there no cap for top 10 picks at all?
Made an edit, but that’s kind of what I was assuming as well. Leiter isn’t interested in taking a discount and sees Boston as the best combination of getting paid and organization.Speculating, but teams at the top of the draft have a lot of leverage in the new slotting system. Teams at the top use this for leverage to try and get who they want for less than full slot. It’s easier and smarter to do this when there is no clear cut best available. Unless a team is willing to offer the top value of the pick Leiter can pretty easily say he doesn’t want to sign for less and the team can move on to someone who will. I don’t think Leiter is pushing for the Red Sox over the full slot at #1.
Also worth pointing out if he’s not the clear cut #1 the Red Sox may be offering him the most money. The 2nd highest bonus last year went to the #5 pick.Made an edit, but that’s kind of what I was assuming as well. Leiter isn’t interested in taking a discount and sees Boston as the best combination of getting paid and organization.
He has the leverage of not signing and going back to Vandy for another year.I’m not as knowledgeable about the MLB draft and I know it’s routine for guys to get drafted in the second or third round to first round money to get them to go pro instead of college.
What leverage does Leiter actually have if he’s pretty much universally viewed as a top 5 pick? Is there no cap for top 10 picks at all?
Or would it be more his unwillingness to take anything below his slot value and teams like Pittsburgh would rather get more value in the later rounds with a larger pool.
Is it really much leverage when no one thinks he would do that?He has the leverage of not signing and going back to Vandy for another year.
Sure it is. Similar to Raunado a while ago, he could take it right down to the deadline with a team if he wants to.Is it really much leverage when no one thinks he would do that?
I am pretty sure in this hypothetical teams are offering under slot. Usually if teams are doing this they are intentionally taking to multiple players and willing to take the one that takes the deal. A team could just take a guy and say we are offering you $1 million under slot take it or leave it but I don’t think that happens for a variety of reasons. Most importantly if he ultimately turns it down they don’t get to use any of that slot money.Is it really much leverage when no one thinks he would do that?
Until next year, right?I am pretty sure in this hypothetical teams are offering under slot. Usually if teams are doing this they are intentionally taking to multiple players and willing to take the one that takes the deal. A team could just take a guy and say we are offering you $1 million under slot take it or leave it but I don’t think that happens for a variety of reasons. Most importantly if he ultimately turns it down they don’t get to use any of that slot money.
Here’s a good article on the process, with slot money available this year:I’m not as knowledgeable about the MLB draft and I know it’s routine for guys to get drafted in the second or third round to first round money to get them to go pro instead of college.
What leverage does Leiter actually have if he’s pretty much universally viewed as a top 5 pick? Is there no cap for top 10 picks at all?
Or would it be more his unwillingness to take anything below his slot value and teams like Pittsburgh would rather get more value in the later rounds with a larger pool.
Right. But if you are signing someone for under slot it is so you can go over slot later in the draft. If you don’t have an agreement with the under slot pick you lose leverage prior to the draft negotiating over slot deals later in the draft.Until next year, right?
Assuming more national notoriety playing for a Mount Rushmore franchise.I guess I’m curious why Lieter would want to force his way to Boston (other than he thinks Chaim will give him the most money); it’s not like we have a great track record with developing pitchers…
When you set it next to the Pirates, Rangers, or Orioles, our record doesn't look that bad.I guess I’m curious why Lieter would want to force his way to Boston (other than he thinks Chaim will give him the most money); it’s not like we have a great track record with developing pitchers…
Bring Back Mookie (and Jeff) 12:02
So what exactly do you guys mean when you say Jack Leiter is trying to "price himself down" to Boston?
Kevin Goldstein12:02
He's throwing out, or going to throw out big bonus demands in order to scare the three teams picking ahead of Boston.
John12:05
Hi Kevin, thanks for doing the chat. I like Leiter a lot for the Red Sox, and was excited to read the pick in your mock today. As of now, would you say Leiter is the leader in the clubhouse for Boston’s pick at #4? If not, then who is?
Kevin Goldstein12:05
I think they'd also be happy to see Davis fall to them.
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Would any of the top 3 still draft Leiter, or will they just let him slip to Boston. Al Leiter said he could return to Vandy. Could they also be using that against the top 3?
Kevin Goldstein12:53
Dad saying he will go back to school just feels like politicking. And yes, a team could call the bluff.
Of the two Vandy studs, Leiter has more tread on the tires in terms of the amount of pitching he's done since HS. Rocker has the hype and for good reason, but I think Leiter is Walker Buehler 2.0. I want him so badly. If they go before 4, one of the HS SS's Lawler/Mayer or Henry Davis would be fine.I know little about these guys aside from what I read in this thread, but my god I'd be so excited about having Leiter in the system
Vandy + Al Leiter's son. Can't really have a better pedigree than that. And he's obviously got a ton of talent. He's been my #1 choice for several months (previously was Rocker). Really hope it happens.I know little about these guys aside from what I read in this thread, but my god I'd be so excited about having Leiter in the system
Want to bet on the final score?Leiter is pitching on ESPN U right now, for those interested.
Edit: I didn't see the 1st inning, but in the 2nd he's at 94-97 with the fastball, threw 2-3 okay curveballs around 80 mph, and then a filthy one to end the inning. Ump seems to have a generous strike zone right now, as the 2nd out was a called 3rd strike that was well outside.
4. Red Sox: Jack Leiter, RHP, Vanderbilt
1. PIT - Marcelo MayerLeiter, coming off a dominant turn in Super Regional play, could very well be gone, in which case the Red Sox could choose from the high school shortstops or Davis.
When did Jackson Jobe join the party?Jonathan Mayo 6/16 mock draft:
1. PIT - Marcelo Mayer
2. TEX - Kahlil Watson
3. DET - Jackson Jobe
4. BOS - Jack Leiter
5. BAL - Jordan Lawlar
Mocks to Sox (beginning w/ Callis 5/26 and moving forward, to include MLB, Law, Kiley McDaniel, FanGraphs and Baseball America):
Jack Leiter: 2 (FG 6/14, Mayo 6/16)
Henry Davis: 2 ( Callis 5/26, Callis 6/9)
Kumar Rocker: 1 (Law 5/27)
Jordan Lawlar: 1 (Mayo 6/2)
https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-mock-draft-june-16-2021?t=mlb-draft-coverage
Any word on what he uses for grip? Rosin and sunscreen? Does Vandy have a proprietary mixture.I saw an interesting breakdown on Jack Leiter. Basically trying to explain why his fastball is so good at missing bats and how well it can translate to MLB. I’m a bit new to the vertical approach angle and vertical break stuff but Leiter’s fastball would already be an outlier in the MLB right now due to its perceived “rising” effect.
View: https://youtu.be/oiK-Kpw7Beo
He’s always it as one of the top pitchers (Pipeline just ranked him as having the at slider in the draft, ahead of Rocker), but he’s been kept out of the big 3-5 or whatever by virtue of being a HS arm.When did Jackson Jobe join the party?
1. PIT - Marcelo MayerJack Leiter, RHP, Vanderbilt
This seems unlikely on its face, but two teams leaning to position players in a tight decision before Boston's turn is actually the most likely outcome at each pick. The Red Sox have been tough to pin down at this pick, being rumored with every top player, which is basically the same as being linked to none of them.
Looks like he's got no command of his pitches or he's nibbling far too much - hard to say. AZ is a good team and all but this isn't good.Rocker is getting slammed on ESPN right now. He’s pitching like shit.
His pitches have no bite. Very hittable.Looks like he's got no command of his pitches or he's nibbling far too much - hard to say. AZ is a good team and all but this isn't good.
And now he’s done for the night after giving up a hit batter followed by an absolute bomb.He got less hittable. He settled down, struck out 5 in row.
Two of the runs were unearned as well.
EDIT: now 13 in a row, 7 by K.
Did he also look at the recent doctoring the ball memo or something?His pitches have no bite. Very hittable.
May have but he must of started using again in the second inning. A lot of spinners in the first inning and then he started getting on top of his slider and had guys chasing it all over the place.Did he also look at the recent doctoring the ball memo or something?
Missed location. Target outside corner, it just hung over the inner half, and “only” 92.That was tattooed off of Leiter. Jumped on his FB.