2023-2024 General NBA Season Thread

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That Ime/Lebron interaction was fascinating. Ime already had a tech I'm guessing?

Either way, I can't recall such a calm (appearing) conversation between a coach and player getting a tech with the ref just overhearing it.

Ime didnt even complain and Lebron seemed pissed. It must have been legit bad.

Weird to do that to Lebron if you're trying to rebuild your reputation in the NBA.
 

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That Ime/Lebron interaction was fascinating. Ime already had a tech I'm guessing?

Either way, I can't recall such a calm (appearing) conversation between a coach and player getting a tech with the ref just overhearing it.

Ime didnt even complain and Lebron seemed pissed. It must have been legit bad.

Weird to do that to Lebron if you're trying to rebuild your reputation in the NBA.
Methinks Ime has some problems with judgment and is more than willing to cross lines when he feels like it, without regards to others.
 

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I saw a TikTok recording from the sidelines (don’t know how to embed a TikTok). I think Ime called him a bitch and LeBron responded something along the lines of “Hey, man, don’t use that word so loosely.” Couldn’t hear what Ime responded with.
I can't imagine that commonly used word alone drawing a T, an ejection or that response from the ladies in the crowd.
 

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Again, Ime strikes me as the sort of coach who starts off strong but ends up getting tuned out over time. Maybe that's wrong but each datapoint we get on him does nothing to disabuse of that notion.
 

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Again, Ime strikes me as the sort of coach who starts off strong but ends up getting tuned out over time. Maybe that's wrong but each datapoint we get on him does nothing to disabuse of that notion.
I've been glad for awhile that we ended up with the coach who cares more about, ya know, basketball.
 

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Very odd to see a head coach engage in Draymond-level trash talking to an opposing star. Imagine like, Pop or Spo or Ty Lue saying that?
 

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Again, Ime strikes me as the sort of coach who starts off strong but ends up getting tuned out over time. Maybe that's wrong but each datapoint we get on him does nothing to disabuse of that notion.
Right? What kind of trash person talks like that? Much less a coach? That's just a classic posing as a bully by a wimp. The notion that LBJ went over there to fight and was backing down is wanna be poseur tough guy 101. Early returns with Houston are good, and god knows Ime has instilled some defensive discipline, at least. But he's clearly a shitty person and shitty people tend to self-destruct as he did in Boston. My guess is you're right the same will happen in Houston.
 

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Very odd to see a head coach engage in Draymond-level trash talking to an opposing star. Imagine like, Pop or Spo or Ty Lue saying that?
Let's not forget Udoka was a pretty fiery NBA player before he became a coach.
 

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Right? What kind of trash person talks like that? Much less a coach? That's just a classic posing as a bully by a wimp. The notion that LBJ went over there to fight and was backing down is wanna be poseur tough guy 101. Early returns with Houston are good, and god knows Ime has instilled some defensive discipline, at least. But he's clearly a shitty person and shitty people tend to self-destruct as he did in Boston. My guess is you're right the same will happen in Houston.
IMO, Mazzulla, with his numerous flaws, is just a more stable presence on the Cs bench. As @lovegtm notes, Udoka flaming out so quickly may end up being a huge benefit to the team longer term.
 

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I can't imagine that commonly used word alone drawing a T, an ejection or that response from the ladies in the crowd.
Well there are lots of words that one can use to ride someone else that aren't specifically derogatory towards women, or are used to generally target strong-minded women. Directing it at a man doesn't make it much better. If anyone should be careful about heading in that general direction, it's Ime.
 

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Well there are lots of words that one can use to ride someone else that aren't specifically derogatory towards women, or are used to generally target strong-minded women. Directing it at a man doesn't make it much better. If anyone should be careful about heading in that general direction, it's Ime.
I will add that our culture is constantly changing. I am guessing that word is or was pretty common in the heat of NBA battle but it shouldn't be. Given that Udoka is supposed to be guiding younger people to be the best version of themselves or at least act like professionals, he should be adopting LeBron's position on using that language. And failing that, let your players have the verbal battles.

In the end this likely is a nothingburger but it definitely suggests that Udoka and drama probably go together more than some of us would like.
 

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Udoka was not ejected solely for using the "b word". The ejection happened well after, when Udoka decided to double down going after LeBron for whatever idiotic reason. NBA doesn't exactly want its coaches goading players into fights while using words the fans paying thousands of dollars may find objectionable or misogynistic. The referee correctly saw that nothing good was going to happen as a result of Udoka's conversation.
 
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Udoka was ejected solely for using the "b word". The ejection happened well after, when Udoka decided to double down going after LeBron for whatever idiotic reason. NBA doesn't exactly want its coaches goading players into fights while using words the fans paying thousands of dollars may find objectionable or misogynistic. The referee correctly saw that nothing good was going to happen as a result of Udoka's conversation.
Good for LeBron for calling out the usage of that word.

View: https://youtu.be/e_fFlbyjryY?si=OPczfxOb-nKqlKrf
 

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Mazzulla: to hell with NBA norms, I’ll challenge a call or hacka___ up big in garbage times.

Udoka: to hell with NBA norms, I’ll have sex with team employees and I’ll argue with opposing players, including the biggest superstar in the league.
 

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Something of note pointed out on Windhorst’s podcast this morning—Nikola Jokic currently leads the league in total points, assists, and rebounds. This is the latest in the season anyone has ever been in that position.
 

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Mazzulla: to hell with NBA norms, I’ll challenge a call or hacka___ up big in garbage times.

Udoka: to hell with NBA norms, I’ll have sex with team employees and I’ll argue with opposing players, including the biggest superstar in the league.
"Argue" is a pretty generous way of saying "challenge LeBron's manhood repeatedly in front of the officials."

Ime seems to lack impulse control. It's already backfired on him bigly once; let's see what his next adventure will be!
 

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Yeah, Lebron comes off like a mensch and Ime like a douche. Quelle surprise.
Mazzulla: to hell with NBA norms, I’ll challenge a call or hacka___ up big in garbage times.

Udoka: to hell with NBA norms, I’ll have sex with team employees and I’ll argue with opposing players, including the biggest superstar in the league.
My regard for their on-court style and impact, respectively, could not be more opposite from my regard for their off-court style and impact.

On-court, Lebron drives me crazy with the "flinging himself at the basket and whining if he doesn't get the call". I don't care how good he is, it bothers me almost as much as James Harden bothered me back before they adjusted for his leg kick-outs and other nonsense. Whereas Ime coached up a defense that brought a young and probably-not-ready team to a 2-1 lead in the NBA Finals, and clearly knows how to replicate that, while Mazzulla is still trailing in his wake in that respect.

Off-court, Lebron is a terrific human and representative of the game, couldn't ask more for his generosity to his home region, charitable causes, the time he spends on stuff, the voice he's found on public issues, his personal life... having him as the face of the league for the last two decades must be a dream for Silver, relative to what other sports leagues have to work with from a PR perspective. And Ime couldn't be more different and still be employed in the same profession, and this incident just shows that the affair was not some one-off problem but suggests a pattern, a character trait, just like TripleOT suggests.

I'm not quite at the point of rooting against Udoka and his new team, but he's making it real hard to focus on the joy he brought us in that spring 2022 run.
 

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New Harden interview out, which contains this gem:
Q: So you mention the financial part, and I was hoping you could clarify one aspect of that situation. Were you actually told by the Sixers that you had that deal coming?
Harden: A max?
Q: Yeah.
Harden: Yeah.
Q: That was said by Daryl?
Harden: Yes. Yes.
Q: Then when did you start figuring out that it wouldn’t be there? I’d heard that he stopped communicating with you in the summertime, and you took that as a sign that things had changed.
Harden: Yeah, me and Daryl had a really good relationship. So (in the past), a week or two after we lose in the playoffs, it would be all about trying to figure out how to improve the team. (They’d talk about) ‘How do we get better?’ And that’s been going on for 10-plus years, you know what I mean? And then this year, there was no communication. And at that point, it’s like, ‘OK, I see what’s going on.’ I’m very intelligent. So then I just figure out ‘What’s my next move, and what do I want to do?’ So I understand that, at the end of the day, this is a business. And just like he has to do what’s best for his organization, I’ve got to do what’s best for me and my family. It’s as simple as that.

More at the link.

https://theathletic.com/5108424/2023/12/04/james-harden-interview-clippers-sixers-daryl-morey/
 

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Have you watched those 3 players this season or looked at their stats? I don't know what you mean by "decisive", but they have been great. Durant at this point would be my choice for MVP, and LeBron and Curry have been carrying their clubs. Definitely flawed teams, but the older vet studs are not the problem.
I agree that these 3 old dues have been incredible, but disagree that Durant should get any votes for MVP. I think there are clearly 4 or 5 guys ahead of him, and if Booker doesn't miss any more significant time, I would put him above KD too. Jokic, Embiid, Haliburton, Tatum, SGA, Luka, Steph, and Lebron would all be above KD in my voting
 

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I wonder what the biggest x-0 run a team has ever had in a game that still ended in a loss. 30-0 has to be pretty damn close to it. Luka played 46 minutes, which is insane for a December regular season game that didn't go into overtime. After a steal and a layup to put Dallas up 6 with 4:18 left, he didn't score again (and only attempted one shot as OKC outscored Dallas by 15-3 the rest of the way).
This is legit the record overall for an xx-0 run, regardless of the result. Two 29-0s were the previous record, both wins by the team on the run: Lakers dethroned the Kings on February 4, 1987 and Cavs shot out the Bucks on December 6, 2009.

Amusing to maybe only me: Milwaukee began the latter game on an 11-0 run.
 

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This is legit the record overall for an xx-0 run, regardless of the result. Two 29-0s were the previous record, both wins by the team on the run: Lakers dethroned the Kings on February 4, 1987 and Cavs shot out the Bucks on December 6, 2009.

Amusing to maybe only me: Milwaukee began the latter game on an 11-0 run.
Much appreciated!
 

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My regard for their on-court style and impact, respectively, could not be more opposite from my regard for their off-court style and impact.

On-court, Lebron drives me crazy with the "flinging himself at the basket and whining if he doesn't get the call". I don't care how good he is, it bothers me almost as much as James Harden bothered me back before they adjusted for his leg kick-outs and other nonsense. Whereas Ime coached up a defense that brought a young and probably-not-ready team to a 2-1 lead in the NBA Finals, and clearly knows how to replicate that, while Mazzulla is still trailing in his wake in that respect.

Off-court, Lebron is a terrific human and representative of the game, couldn't ask more for his generosity to his home region, charitable causes, the time he spends on stuff, the voice he's found on public issues, his personal life... having him as the face of the league for the last two decades must be a dream for Silver, relative to what other sports leagues have to work with from a PR perspective. And Ime couldn't be more different and still be employed in the same profession, and this incident just shows that the affair was not some one-off problem but suggests a pattern, a character trait, just like TripleOT suggests.

I'm not quite at the point of rooting against Udoka and his new team, but he's making it real hard to focus on the joy he brought us in that spring 2022 run.
I've long said that LeBron is one of the most well-vetted people in the world who's got no real public dirt on them.

Think about this: he had his high school games being played on national TV. He's been under the microscope since he was 15 or 16 and he's never done anything truly bad (that we know about). The three worst things he's done are accept a Hummer as a teenager, hamfistedly tell everyone he's going to Miami (which he then fixed by going back to Cleveland winning a title), and sort of defending China. Like, that's it. We don't hear about him cheating on his wife, we don't hear about him getting in trouble with the law, we don't hear about him doing anything bad; in fact we only hear about him doing good things off the court.
 

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What an asshole.

I honestly think he's a worse commissioner than Goodell and Manfred.
Not to pile on but Silver has consistently hit home run after home run between handling the difficult Sterling situation right out of the gate to the IST and everything else in between. Where do you feel his deficiencies are?
 

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He also helped avoid a work shortage by getting the new CBA done with minimal drama, and I think the new CBA will be good for curbing down on super teams and players teaming up to play with each other.
 

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And it seems to me that the NBA has the highest average quality of team, most inclination to innovate, highest percentage of players who are "stars" and recognizable, and best integration of global players. I think it's objectively the best league of the four major-ish sports in the U.S., though maybe you have an argument for the NFL, given its popularity and TV numbers.

Worse than Manfred just seems like trolling. That guy doesn't seem to even like baseball.
 

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Sounds like a careless reference to a guy in the news lately is being taken way out of context. Silver is much better for his sport than Bettman, Goodell, or Manfred are for theirs.
 

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I think it's objectively the best league of the four major-ish sports in the U.S., though maybe you have an argument for the NFL, given its popularity and TV numbers.
With so many international players, I have to think the NBA has more global popularity than American football by quite a bit.

NFL TV ratings #s are off the charts, but the NBA has a larger TAM.
 

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With so many international players, I have to think the NBA has more global popularity than American football by quite a bit.

NFL TV ratings #s are off the charts, but the NBA has a larger TAM.
American basketball players have always been idolized overseas and even in Canada back when I played. Yao Ming took it to another level in Asia though.
 

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It took about 20 minutes, but it looks like the Sixers have come back from vacation.
And Cleveland is hitting their stride apparently... just in time for the Celtics, unfortunately for us.
 

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I can't think of any player more representative of the Wizards than Jordan Poole

his game is a steaming pile of shit
 

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What the heck are the Pistons going to do, 18 losses in a row now well along in a supposed rebuild and year 1 of giving Monty Williams 80 million.
 

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Not to pile on but Silver has consistently hit home run after home run between handling the difficult Sterling situation right out of the gate to the IST and everything else in between. Where do you feel his deficiencies are?


The job of a commissioner is to do 3 things

1. Grow revenue and make the owners happy
2. Increase popularity and reach of the game
3. Help push the game forward and make the game enjoyable for fans


Goodell has absolutely done all of these things. Although the quality of play suffered this year due to quarterback injuries, the NFL remains a monster.

I don't follow baseball but from afar it seems like they are doing a good job of improving the rules to make a better TV product. It's also continues to be ad a successful regional sport.

The NBA's last rule changes to improve the action started when Stern was commissioner. Silver has done nothing to fix issues with the 4th quarter, replay, timeouts, and bad refs.

The All Star changes have been a disaster and have killed what was once a signature event.

The other signature event was the Christmas games, and he was powerless from stopping the NFL from taking it.

The NBA, outside of maybe Los Angeles, is the 3rd or 4th most popular team in the big markets. Their regional ratings are not good.

National TV ratings, like all TV, is trending down. The IST ratings have been flat with last year's regular season games. Less than a million people watched the Kings-Pelicans game. Maybe it's successful over time, but it's very niche right now.

I also think putting the players needs over the fans (player movement, sitting out games, etc) was not a good long-term decision. The league has not created a new megastar since Steph. ANT and Melo sell shoes but they aren't crossover stars. The best player in the league acts like he hates the sport.

The league probably has one more big TV contract before the Saudi money comes in.
 

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Full-strength Clips-Nuggets is fun already. Denver's offense is just great shot after effortless great shot. I'm skeptical Clips can score enough to hang.
 

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The nba is more popular and talked about than ever on social media, they will absolutely continue to get massive tv deals.

Silver is widely considered a really good commissioner, he’s not perfect, but there’s been much more good than not.
 

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Given the role of commissioner is to be the public face of 30 billionaires, there are going to be some rough times. I've never heard of a commissioner that was beloved.