Sign me up for those first two picks. As we're seeing with Zappe, we can win with any QB other than Mac. Get MHJ and let's roll.
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I don't know. I'm not knowledgeable enough to speak to this question, to be honest. @SMU_Sox is the guy to ask.
I think we need to be at the top of the list to work with the Bears. Either give up the 2024 1st and assets to go for Williams or whatever ends up a reasonable cost for Fields. A dream scenario is we end up with Harrison and Fields imo.
I decided to see what happened if I went WR at 4 in Harrison and ended up with an all-time dumb CPU:
So I got 2 top 10 guys (maybe top 5), plus another guy who may go 1st round
So I got 2 top 10 guys (maybe top 5), plus another guy who may go 1st round
- 4.
Marvin Harrison Jr.
WR Ohio State - 53.
Jordan Morgan
OT Arizona - 71.
Michael Penix Jr.
QB Washington - 87.
Michael Hall Jr.
DT Ohio State - 132.
Jaden Hicks
S Washington State - 163.
Jacob Cowing
WR Arizona - 174.
Ben Bywater
LB BYU - 198.
Aaron Casey
LB Indiana - 200.
Elijah Jones
CB Boston College - 2025 IND 2nd
- 2025 JAX 3rd
At least you bought it dinner first.
Yeah, one thing I find fun is the idea of pairing 6'7"ers in WR Johnny Powell and TE Wiley. 3rd and short? Goal line package? Put them both out there and throw up a jump ball -- good luck!
either way, it was interesting to see how quickly we could stockpile some new talent and upgrade at QB, WR, OL and elsewhere. There are advantages to drafting high in every round.
It has been nice to see competence for sure, and every road win in the NFL is a great win, but beating the 2023 versions of Denver and Pittsburgh doesn’t move the needle all that much for me.
As I see it we’re still a QB/WR/OL upgrade away from consistently playing with and beating Buffalo, Miami, Kansas City, Baltimore, or any other upper level team.
So my draft thinking, is if we can't get the QB we want, sign Mayfield (Bill has always liked him and he is having a good year) for two years to compete with Zappe.
Grab Harrison Jr. and trade up slightly for a top OL...
Then resign Henry and sign Tee Higgins.
Harrison, Henry, Douglas and Tee Higgins is a very good receiving core.
I'm curious to know what happens to Joe Flacco after this season. He's been ridiculously good for Cleveland, but of course they have Watson under a huge contract. Flacco has probably played himself into consideration as a starter for someone in 2024. If the Pats had THIS Joe Flacco at QB this year, this would have been a much better season. But I don't think anyone saw this coming.
both Mayfield and Higgins are likely to get tagged. Cant see any way the Bucs and Bengals let those guys go for free. Maybe a tag and trade for Higgins but Mayfield has had a decent enough year for the Bucs to stick with him for one more year on the tag
that said, the Bucs are going to have to decide between Evans and Mayfield for the tag. Maybe they let Mayfield try free agency but I’d be very hesitant to give him a multi year contract. He’s had some great games this year but his track record isn’t something I’d bet on
as it is, it seems highly unlikely the Pats will be in draft position for Harrison. Might not even be in position for WR2 (Nabers or Odunze)
he hasn’t really been ridiculously good. Pass rating of 85, basically in line with his performance since his decline in Baltimore (2015). 10 TD to 7 INT coming into tonight with a whopping 4.0 INT%, completion percentage of 59%
he’s rolling tonight against the Jets, and he’s played ok against some pretty weak teams, but he’s still basically the same guy he was at the end of his Baltimore run. Can pile up yards and pile up INT
Cant see too many teams in signing him to contend as a starter simply because he’s old and likely to get even worse. Probably a guy who lands somewhere with a young QB ahead of him as the emergency plan if the young guy flops or a true backup on a team with Super Bowl aspirations and no young backup (KC, Jacksonville, maybe even back to the Jets when they dump Wilson)
Tampa maybe as a starter/bridge if Mayfield leaves, Indy as a backup if Minshew leaves.
CLE line has been great, Flacco needs a very good line and PA threat to be effective
That's how insane QB pay has become. Mayfield has 1 above-average season after years of injury, and that may earn him $36M for 1 year. To make it more cap friendly, I'd wager he gets effectively 3 years/$75M average, $50M guaranteed
And something like that would be 100% not worth it. I would think the first thing Tampa needs to do is find out what Mike Evans is going to do as he will be a FA. I don't think tagging or singing Baker long term is a viable roster construction decision if Evans moves on. Heck, it's probably not a good decision if he doesn't. That's a lot of money for a very average QB with essentially one good season especially with the number of holes they need to fill.
This has a real Bo Callahan aroma to it. I wonder if teams will get nervous enough for Williams to drop. Russell Wilson's teammates hated him and they still won a lot of games together, so overreacting to stories like this might be inadvisable.
https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/some-red-flags-emerged-on-caleb-williams-as-bears-near-qb-decision/
https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/some-red-flags-emerged-on-caleb-williams-as-bears-near-qb-decision/
Made a bunch of trades to trade down - got a ton of picks. Obviously that enabled me to load up on numerous positions.
QB (2) - Daniels (8), Cook (170)
WR (3) - Dgbuka (35), Walker (75), Polk (81)
TE (2) - Stover (130), Bringingstool (155)
OT (2) - Simmons (99), Henderson (147)
DT (3) - Fiske (123), Jefferson (164), Eboigbe (168)
Edge (1) - Braswell (72)
CB (2) - Sainristil (111), Alexander (120)
LOL nothing like this would ever happen but it would be crazy to add 15 guys from the draft.
QB (2) - Daniels (8), Cook (170)
WR (3) - Dgbuka (35), Walker (75), Polk (81)
TE (2) - Stover (130), Bringingstool (155)
OT (2) - Simmons (99), Henderson (147)
DT (3) - Fiske (123), Jefferson (164), Eboigbe (168)
Edge (1) - Braswell (72)
CB (2) - Sainristil (111), Alexander (120)
LOL nothing like this would ever happen but it would be crazy to add 15 guys from the draft.
I'm all in on Penix if we can get an elite WR or LT in the first. Guy just has "it". I think Caleb Williams is going to be a bust in the NFL.
UW has faced a ton of adversity this year and Penix continues to come up big and make great throws. He's made all of the WR on the team better.
UW has faced a ton of adversity this year and Penix continues to come up big and make great throws. He's made all of the WR on the team better.
I want to figure out if we are more likely to get a quality WR 1, LT, or QB at the top of round 2. All three are deep in this draft and we need all 3 but who the hell knows how the back half of the first round goes.
I really don't get the "adversity" for UW.... they have one of the best O-lines and best skill position groups in the league. Penix has faced less pressure than almost any power 5 QB, it's very much a Mac Jones at Alabama level of offensive setup.
Edit- this isn't to say Penix couldn't end up a good NFL QB.... totally could, though I think he's destined for a Jameis/Fitzpatrick/Minshew kind of career. Some wild yolo seasons, but never a guy you truly want to be your #1.
WR to me. If you're drafting a QB in the 2nd... well you don't expect him to be top end, he's going to be a guy with serious flaws, given how QB draft stock is generally inflated.
OT... could be some guys there, but it's a big need area for playoff teams and OT has had a lot of heilium in recent years, O line play is bad league-wide, don't be surprised if 7-9 OLinemen go 1st round.
WR though... has in recent years been a spot where you can get good value in the 30s/40s (Watson, Higgins, Pittman, Samuel, Brown, etc.) and this is a deep class again.
How much would you say his age and maturity contributes to this composure? I think it's considerable. Not to say that should be a knock on him, necessarily, but it could skew some of the comparisons to other QB prospects with less collegiate experience.
yeah Washington has a very good OL and the best receiving trio in CFB, plus decent TE
not taking anything away from Penix. He looks great moving the ball vertically with arguably the WR2 in the draft and two other guys who are day 2 possibilities. Not sure he’s going to look great throwing 20-25 yard go routes to the corpse of Devante Parker.
His skills don’t at all match the current scheme or personnel. Which, of course, could change if BB is replaced. But I’m hesitant to think he will look this good in the pros unless he has a great set of players around him
definitely good WR will be available atop round 2. Should be some good OT there too. Not elite upside guys but guys who could be reliable staters - depending on who declares. Someone like Suamataia, Barton or Amegadjie could work.
Seems like a waste to pay Evans and have Kyle Trask or Jacoby Brissett throwing him the ball
Im not a Mayfield fan, but on short years, it’s as good of a plan as the Bucs can find unless they go full reboot. They play in a terrible division that likely won’t get substantially better and have enough pieces where I don’t think resetting makes sense and they won’t be drafting high enough to get a likely replacement anyway.
I guess the alternative is they can try to get on the has been/never was merry go round with a Wilson, Pickett, Zach Wilson, Flacco, Garoppolo Mac Jones type to save money or make a play for Fields but I don’t know that those are more palatable to them than keeping Mayfield on short years even at a stupid price.
To me it's more about the adversity he's faced personally, coming back from multiple injuries. Of course that could be spun as a negative - i.e., he's damaged goods or "injury-prone" - but he seems mentally tough and mature. He's also insanely accurate, and is more athletic than Mac even though he doesn't run nearly as much as he did during his original Indiana incarnation.
I'd be ok with something like this, but I don't think the Jets are trading up to 3 to select Nabers nor will Daniels be available at 10.
The decision at the top of the 2nd is brutal.
Did two (on different sites), first one I went OT at the top of the 2nd, felt good about it.
Second I went WR... and there was nothing at OT left by 68.
Did two (on different sites), first one I went OT at the top of the 2nd, felt good about it.
Second I went WR... and there was nothing at OT left by 68.
This thing is incredibly random. I did one earlier where Bowers went 6 and MHJ went 17.
Yeah, but he got one at 3, one at 34 or whatever, and Penix is 3rd round? Damn.
The most likely case would be Goodell stripping 13 teams of their first round pick
Yeah got Harrison 3rd overall, Bowers at the top of 2nd, and then Penix with the 3rd round pick. Only one I've done that has run out anything like that.
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Traded #3 and #130 for Green Bay's 19-40-52-83 and a 2025 2nd and still got Daniels at 19 and 2 OT / 2 WR with the first 5 picks. Sign me up
Yeah, maybe it's a bit high, but I love that guy. Plays bigger than he is, very productive throughout college. But injury prone.
Trade down like every time:
- 22.
Michael Penix Jr.
QB Washington
- 50.
Troy Franklin
WR Oregon
- 59.
Patrick Paul
OT Houston
- 72.
Tyler Guyton
OT Oklahoma
- 73.
Roman Wilson
WR Michigan
- 75.
Caelen Carson
CB Wake Forest
- 141.
Jake Briningstool
TE Clemson
- 170.
Omar Speights
LB LSU
- 2025 ATL 1st
- 2025 JAX 2nd
- 2025 MIN 2nd
- 2025 HOU 2nd
- 2025 NO 3rd
- 2025 NYJ 4th
- 2025 NO 4th
- 2025 WAS 5th
- 2025 NO 5th
He's sort of like an Edelman, and you pay a R2 pick all day for that type of production. But maybe you don't love the idea, because sometimes Edelmans can be found as UDFAs.
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No idea why I waste my time with mock draft simulators this early. There’s zero chance this happens, but would be pretty happy if it did…
If somehow NE could get Harrison *and* Daniels with their top two picks without making any trades up, it would be a miracle of Biblical proportions.