8/27/23 LAD @ Red Sox: Win The Series

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Freeman for MVP. I don't see a ton of him. He looks like he is going to rip a pitch every time up. Like JD circa 2018

Bad swing by Verdugo. But he showed up for this series. The Dodgers aren't getting beat by 3 or 4 runs.

Fuck Mookie
 

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Didn't get to watch this one, but Houck getting hung with the L here seems distinctly unfair based on the box score.
 

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Yeah, Whitlock and Schreiber likely unavailable. Not a lot of options. Starters who continue to only go 4 innings are a big problem, especially with a bullpen where a few guys are used pretty cautiously.
 

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Hard to win games when your staff is giving up 7 runs.
Or when your starter’s yanked after 80 odd pitches over 4 innings and the bullpen larder is bare. Mystifying Pitcher usage patterns today for a team on the razor’s edge. Oh, and LA would seem to have a superior coaching staff; taking our underperformers and restoring them to near peak performance levels. Oh well.
 

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Yeah thats because he misused the staff in the weeks prior. See you can't galaxy brain away us Never-Cora-ers. He is the worst manager in baseball and at least 2k of our membership base is fully qualified to outmanage him. We know because we tell ourselves that all the time!!!!
 

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At least the series is over. I'm sad we don't have Mookie anymore. Screw management and everyone that tried to rationalize this trade.
 

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This is probably more in the Bloom thread, but my complaints about Murphy and using someone like him in a game of this magnitude is about the toll the bullpen took using openers for such a long stretch before Sale and Houck and starters going really short in recent weeks. Bloom did nothing to add ML depth to the bullpen or add back end arm to the rotation.

There's nothing inherently wrong with being Murphy. Being forced to use Murphy in a game like this and so extensively is a problem. If you didn't want to add to the rotation and/or bullpen, sell off guys that were going to be most valuable. They did very little, which isn't good or bad. It just feels like a missed opportunity one way or the other.
 

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Freeman for MVP. I don't see a ton of him. He looks like he is going to rip a pitch every time up. Like JD circa 2018
He is pretty close to the best player in the league, for sure. Just an absolute offensive force, and excellent defender, and tops it off by really seeming like one of those "glue" guys. He also seems like one of the best people in sports, based off of what I have read about him, or seen in interviews and stuff.

Hard disagree on your last point (which I left out of the quote), though.

The Dodgers are a fantastic baseball team, there is no shame losing 2 to them this weekend, as much as it sucks.

Take 2 of 3 from Houston into the day off, and September has a chance to be fun.
 

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greek_gawd_of_walks If the sox had picked up a starter or promoted one, it would change things now. Paxton, Bello and Crawford all got overworked. even if you agree w/ not making a move, isn't there a pitcher in AAA (Bearclaw guy) you bring up just do save the staff?

Paxton especially seems to be kind of spent
 

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Well, going into Houston we thought we needed a 6-4 stretch, and 5-5 seemed likely. Still have an outside chance at 6-4. It is getting very late but maybe they will flip a switch.
 

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Yeah thats because he misused the staff in the weeks prior. See you can't galaxy brain away us Never-Cora-ers. He is the worst manager in baseball and at least 2k of our membership base is fully qualified to outmanage him. We know because we tell ourselves that all the time!!!!
Cora is a better manager than Bloom a large market GM
 

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The thing that I can't get is why people who can see the future so clearly need to tell us about it. If I had that power I would keep it to myself and use it to amass enough wealth to buy a MLB club so I can run it the right way. Instead, they need to tell us how things will play out. From where I sit, wealth and owning an MLB club is better than SoSH cred but everyone has to do their own journey.
 

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Frustrating to see our worst pitchers give up 6 runs in 5 innings. It was a lousy one to watch.

Get them tomorrow.
 

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Rooting for the Red Sox this weekend of course, but I still love Mookie. Good for him.

Who knows the details of the Red Sox negotiations, but the contract he signed with LA was so incredibly reasonable (especially with the deferrals).

I think Henry is having serious non-buyers remorse right now.
 

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Rooting for the Red Sox this weekend of course, but I still love Mookie. Good for him.

Who knows the details of the Red Sox negotiations, but the contract he signed with LA was so incredibly reasonable (especially with the deferrals).

I think Henry is having serious non-buyers remorse right now.
He could be really satisfied with the four titles, the most of any team this century.
 

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He could be really satisfied with the four titles, the most of any team this century.
Haha.... of course he has plenty of other reasons to be satisfied.

No successful person I know is happy when they make a boneheaded decision, even if they made a bunch of good ones before that.

I doubt he is crying himself to sleep but he botched it. Fair to call a spade a spade.
 

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I hated the trade at the time but its done. That's where I am at.
I will move on because there is no other option, but management fucked up on letting a generational player go is where I am at.
80 percent of the posters here believe they could hit one out of Fenway under the right conditions
If the conditions were right, I couldn't even hit one out of the infield.

I got to go to today's game and on the way back to my truck I ran into Stephen King and briefly chatted with him. I am an English teacher so this was a tremendous experience for me.
 

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Who knows the details of the Red Sox negotiations, but the contract he signed with LA was so incredibly reasonable (especially with the deferrals).
I know right?! It's almost like he signed it at the beginning of a global pandemic when the future of organized professional sports was seriously in question!

Wild!
 

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I know right?! It's almost like he signed it at the beginning of a global pandemic when the future of organized professional sports was seriously in question!

Wild!
Lol is this what we're going with? COVID made the Red Sox and Henry botch this?

Low balling/trading Mookie never made any sense unless he turned out to be the next Andrew McCutchen.

They over thought it, didn't think he was a generational talent, and there is egg on their face. Nothing else to say.
 

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Lol is this what we're going with? COVID made the Red Sox and Henry botch this?

Low balling/trading Mookie never made any sense unless he turned out to be the next Andrew McCutchen.

They over thought it, didn't think he was a generational talent, and there is egg on their face. Nothing else to say.
There is no bigger Mookie fan than me. The only way I accepted letting him go was that Henry decided to reduce salary, stop paying the luxury tax and stop paying the highest team salary in the sport. They did unload David Price's salary as well.
 

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I know right?! It's almost like he signed it at the beginning of a global pandemic when the future of organized professional sports was seriously in question!

Wild!
This is absolutely correct, but as you can see from the snarky response you received, there's a ton of willful ignorance from the Mookie über alles crowd on the substantial role the pandemic played in how things ended up. The consistent message that winter was that Mookie was absolutely determined to test free agency. To the extent that the Sox had a shot at negotiating an extension with him (if it was even possible), it would have been far larger than the deal he ultimately took from the Dodgers. He was traded just over a month before Covid was declared a pandemic and became a global emergency. If there had been any snags in the negotiations of that trade which pushed things off by a few weeks, it's possible it never even happens. Mookie signed his extension with the Dodgers in July, right before MLB started up playing that bizarre bubble season and when the world had been turned completely upside down with no vaccines and pretty limited visibility on the near future. It's absurd to think that his priorities, and desire for immediate security over getting top dollar on the free market, hadn't changed dramatically by that point.
 

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There is no bigger Mookie fan than me. The only way I accepted letting him go was that Henry decided to reduce salary, stop paying the luxury tax and stop paying the highest team salary in the sport. They did unload David Price's salary as well.
Sure. Of course there is something between highest team salary in the sport and where they are now.

Ownership misread both the market for superstars in general and Mookie's value specifically.

It is what is it, people make mistakes. It's silly to pretzel-brain ourselves into thinking it was a reasonable or good move with the benefit of hindsight.
 

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This is absolutely correct, but as you can see from the snarky response you received, there's a ton of willful ignorance from the Mookie über alles crowd on the substantial role the pandemic played in how things ended up. The consistent message that winter was that Mookie was absolutely determined to test free agency. To the extent that the Sox had a shot at negotiating an extension with him (if it was even possible), it would have been far larger than the deal he ultimately took from the Dodgers. He was traded just over a month before Covid was declared a pandemic and became a global emergency. If there had been any snags in the negotiations of that trade which pushed things off by a few weeks, it's possible it never even happens. Mookie signed his extension with the Dodgers in July, right before MLB started up playing that bizarre bubble season and when the world had been turned completely upside down with no vaccines and pretty limited visibility on the near future. It's absurd to think that his priorities, and desire for immediate security over getting top dollar on the free market, hadn't changed dramatically by that point.
Everything you are saying could be correct and it was still a bad move, unless there is simply no chance he was staying. I don't think it was going to take 400M+ if COVID never existed.

Considering the current contracts being thrown around just about any conceivable contract for Mookie at the time would have been a good move for the Red Sox. Fangraphs has him worth 58.6M (and counting this season) on the open market. Last season he was worth 52.4M.

This is all with the benefit of hindsight... of course the Red Sox didnt know at the time he would continue to play at an MVP level. They made their analysis, decided on their risk tolerance, and so far have lost (big time). It's OK to admit it.

Certainly Mookie could still break down in a the next few years and we'll look back at the entirely of the contract as a good one to avoid. But with the data points we have so far, it's blown up in their face spectacularly.