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38 degree launch angle on that fly out. Lot of 35-45 degree just misses this series from both sides (or it sneaks into the monster if pulled more)
 

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Cora needs to go and I’ve always been a Cora guy.

at some point the terrible fundamentals are on the manager
 

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The thought is that Febles was saying circle back and waving his finger in a circular motion
 

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It looked like Febles was pointing back to second to me. I don’t think that was on him unless someone had a better angle.
 

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I just rewatched the play. Febles was telling McGuire to run until he got past 3B, when he told him to go back. 100%

Well maybe not 100%. Maybe the hand signal means tag up, but that looks like “keep coming” to me.
 

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This has to be among the worst losses of the year. They gifted this game to the Jays. Between Raffy’s error early on tacking two runs on, and then another brutal bass running blunder, it is just so frustrating to watch this professional team make so many mental errors.

This team increasingly appears to be talented, but makes so many brutal, careless mistakes. I’ve been a fan of Cora’s all the way, but a change of leadership may be needed in order to get some of these guys to pay attention, and turn on their baseball brains.
 

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I like Cora. Fire him, sure. I wouldn’t.

At some point when you have dumb baseball players, you can’t get them to be smart baseball players. I wouldn’t think it’d be challenging, but look at the Jays themselves.

Gone through a few managers and they are a dumb baseball team.
 

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He pinch hit for the best hitter on the team. He's having a really bad stretch. And his bullpen management? Beyond bad.
I was fine with Ref up in that situation (2nd and 3rd, two out, down 1). He got hosed on a bad 1-0 strike call that changed the complexion of the at bat (and, I think, caused him to fish on strike 3).
 

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Does this team seem like a bunch of abnormally noticable morons? Yes.

Is it the coach's job to make sure his team is ready to play? Also yes.

I mean, just in the last month, the triple play, Arroyo getting doubled off, Verdugo last night, this -- this just doesn't happen to major league baseball teams.
 

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he doesn’t seem to be helping

the fundamentals have been dogshit for a huge pct of Cora’s tenure
It’s professional baseball. It’s the GM’s job to build a roster. This isn’t the little league, players should know fundamentals at this level.
 

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Does this team seem like a bunch of abnormally noticable morons? Yes.

Is it the coach's job to make sure his team is ready to play? Also yes.

I mean, just in the last month, the triple play, Arroyo getting doubled off, Verdugo last night, this -- this just doesn't happen to major league baseball teams.
exactly

At some point, it’s on Cora. Maybe he’s too much of a player’s manager
 

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It’s professional baseball. It’s the GM’s job to build a roster.
yeah and it’s the manager’s job to get them to play fundamentally sound. It’s a fucking table stakes thing to know how to run the goddam bases
 

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He was def pointing back to second when McGuire was a third of the way down the 3rd base line. In the still pic McGuire's not yet at 3rd. Hard to tell from that pic if Febles was waving his arm or putting up the stop sign.
He was doing this little twirly thing that looked to signal “come on, keep going” to me. It’d be a weird signal if it was meant to be “turn around.” Then once McGuire passes 3B, the ball lands in Keirmeir’s glove, and he points to second and yells for him to go back. Then kinda gives up on defeat.

There’s no chance Febles knew that ball was staying in play.
 

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Verdugo ready to play but not available, per Cora. So, something like he was out to 4 AM last night?
 

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yeah and it’s the manager’s job to get them to play fundamentally sound. It’s a fucking table stakes thing to know how to run the goddam bases
They should know that at this level. Is Showalter going to fix Raffy being a disaster at third? Or was that the GM’s decision to invest in an iffy fielder?
 

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Sure Cora everybody thought it was gone? Except for the 2 Blue Jays outfielders standing there ready to catch the ball!
 

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If verdugo is misbehaving enough to not be used, shame on the organization for not finding a way to move him

i just don’t get the sense that Cora and bloom are singing from the same hymnal
 

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So why wasn't Kenley available today?
He was warming up, Cora went with Jaques. Based on past instances, I assume the idea was Kenley would only pitch if it was tied or the Sox had a lead for him to blow.
 

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This has just been a really frustrating season all around, and the only situation seems awfully predictable.

1. Chaim doesn't get to choose his manager, and by year 3 of this relationship, there is a massive disconnect in a lot of phases.
2. The fundamentals on this team are absolutely infuriating, and absolutely anti-Rays. I can't imagine that has nothing to do with Chaim not having input on his manager.
3. Raffy Devers is predictably looking like a concern because he cannot field his position and we've guaranteed him 325M over the next 10 years to a likely DH -- I can't imagine it was Bloom who wanted to commit to that contract, knowing full-well that Masa Yoshida is likely an ideal fit at DH as well. For as bad as Devers has been at 3B [-.5 dWAR by BREF], Yoshida has been even worse in LF [-1.1 DWAR].
4. Bloom sitting on his hands when marginal upgrades might have won 2 of the 3 games we've lost since the deadline is also absolutely infuriating.
 

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Verdugo ready to play but not available, per Cora. So, something like he was out to 4 AM last night?
TBH I don't even care about that. It's the least of my concern's about this game. The order in which certain pitchers were used, not using Jansen at all and MAYBE PHing for Casas along with the team's continued shitty base running are all points of contention here.
 

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This has just been a really frustrating season all around, and the only situation seems awfully predictable.

1. Chaim doesn't get to choose his manager, and by year 3 of this relationship, there is a massive disconnect in a lot of phases.
2. The fundamentals on this team are absolutely infuriating, and absolutely anti-Rays. I can't imagine that has nothing to do with Chaim not having input on his manager.
3. Raffy Devers is predictably looking like a concern because he cannot field his position and we've guaranteed him 325M over the next 10 years to a likely DH -- I can't imagine it was Bloom who wanted to commit to that contract, knowing full-well that Masa Yoshida is likely an ideal fit at DH as well. For as bad as Devers has been at 3B [-.5 dWAR by BREF], Yoshida has been even worse in LF [-1.1 DWAR].
4. Bloom sitting on his hands when marginal upgrades might have won 2 of the 3 games we've lost since the deadline is also absolutely infuriating.
You think Chaim had no input to Raffy’s contract and was overruled? What?
 

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This has just been a really frustrating season all around, and the only situation seems awfully predictable.

1. Chaim doesn't get to choose his manager, and by year 3 of this relationship, there is a massive disconnect in a lot of phases.
2. The fundamentals on this team are absolutely infuriating, and absolutely anti-Rays. I can't imagine that has nothing to do with Chaim not having input on his manager.
3. Raffy Devers is predictably looking like a concern because he cannot field his position and we've guaranteed him 325M over the next 10 years to a likely DH -- I can't imagine it was Bloom who wanted to commit to that contract, knowing full-well that Masa Yoshida is likely an ideal fit at DH as well. For as bad as Devers has been at 3B [-.5 dWAR by BREF], Yoshida has been even worse in LF [-1.1 DWAR].
4. Bloom sitting on his hands when marginal upgrades might have won 2 of the 3 games we've lost since the deadline is also absolutely infuriating.
This is spot on imo