A-Rod admits he bought and used steroids from Anthony Bosch
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Wait, this makes me think--do you guys think other players are lying too? Like, maybe Andy Pettitte didn't just use once when injured?
Seriously though--this dude is too much. I do love how he tried to create a firewall for the Yankees last time by claiming he'd only done it in Texas and now that's... gone.
Seriously though--this dude is too much. I do love how he tried to create a firewall for the Yankees last time by claiming he'd only done it in Texas and now that's... gone.
If Bud uses his best interests of baseball powers to ban this asshole for life as his last act as commish I'll forgive him for all of the other idiotic things he's done during his tenure. This guy has now admitted to using illegal drugs on multiple occasions spanning multiple years over almost a decade. He should never be allowed to play again.
But NY should still have his salary count towards the luxury tax.
But NY should still have his salary count towards the luxury tax.
glennhoffmania said:
I admire this stance and agree with it totally in principle... but fuck, I really want to see at least a season of The Circus and him playing like a guy cut off from steroids with no game experience in over a year.
He was granted immunity from legal proceedings, but if he offered new evidence that MLB did not have when he was suspended, Selig's parting shot might be a lifetime ban, with all the arbitration trimmings.
As for NYY, is it worth $63mm to have this living tabloid on your roster for three years?
Note: A little late
As for NYY, is it worth $63mm to have this living tabloid on your roster for three years?
Note: A little late
One of the more hilarious portions of this whole ordeal was when A-Rod stormed into Francesa's studio and defiantly claimed he did not take PEDs.ifmanis5 said:
So does this open the door for him being able to go back on steroids? There may be more acceptance of his steroid-based lifestyle now that it's out in the open.
Between that potential train wreck, not wanting to see the Yankees get any salary relief and the fact that most Yankees fans I know wish that A-Rod would just go away and never come back, a ban by Selig is the very last thing I want to see.JohntheBaptist said:
It's pretty cool that even in as he admits to steroid use there are still little nuggets of bullshit sprinkled throughout. For instance, he comes into contact with Bosch in the Summer of 2010 only after he expresses a desire to lose weight to his no good cousin. Presumably this means he was clean in 2009. Yea, right. And speaking of his no good cousin, it was him who emphatically insisted Rodriguez meet with Bosch. Again, yea, right.
It's like Pete Rose. They both believed their own lies.rembrat said:
He'll eventually admit to all of it; it'll just take some time.
Lose Remerswaal said:
The part where it's total bullshit. So far he's admitted to using from 2001-2003, and now 2010-2012. Does anyone with half a brain really believe that he was totally clean from 2004 through 2009?
rembrat said:
Exactly what I thought too. Reminded me of the "only in Texas!" admission--his lies always have a real transparent agenda.
glennhoffmania said:
I suspect some of this timeline is legal advice, to deny usage during the period he entered into his new contract after 2007. That eliminates a potential challenge to the 10/$275 contract as having been entered by hiding illegal activity from the Yankees.
I can't believe that (1) any Sox fan wants any result other than A*Rod playing out his current contract in pinstripes, and (2) people don't appreciate the parallel to Manny Ramirez, who also conveniently used both before and after a championship window, but isn't (yet) proved to have used during it.
E5 Yaz said:
Or any World Series champion from the early-mid 80's to present day. Lets not kid ourselves.
I appreciate the parallel. I also think PEDs were more prevalent in 2004 than in 2009. Not to excuse anyone or anything, and I'm not looking for an asterisk for the 2009 flag. But if it came out today that Player X from the Giants was using PEDs during the 2014 series I think it would be a bigger deal than Manny using during 2004 or ARod during 2009.
glennhoffmania said:
It's not going to happen.
But fear not. A-Rod is a broken man and will emerge from his one year sabbatical as an ineffective, aging ballplayer sucking up the resources of the Yankees for an additional 3 years.
rembrat said:
A-Rod's statement to the DEA only covered his dealings with Bosch. He can't plausibly claim that he was clean from 2004 - 2009 and I don't expect him to try.
As others pointed out, there's not a team that can plausibly claim this for that time period, including the Sox.
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kelpapa said:
I hope we don't have to once again go through why our lack of specific information on what really happened in the 2003 tests means that nothing there amounted to a "positive test".
There's no reason for them to volunteer any more information than needed, especially now. I suspect some of this will play out like the cycling stuff - they admit to each part after the statute of limitations runs out.JohntheBaptist said:
kelpapa said:
People often refer to this list as proof that Ortiz & others took steroids. It also tested for a wide range of stimulants/chemicals that aren't illegal and weren't banned from baseball at the time, so we really have no idea what these guys tested positive for. A bunch of this stuff is readily available at GNC. And Domincan shakes, of course.
I wish this list was just made public, so people could just move on.
This whole thing is going to be the gift that keeps on giving. Sucart is set for trial in Feb., but if it gets pushed back he'll likely get tried in-season. I know his defense attorney - and let me tell you, he is absolutely going to *grill* A-Rod during the trial. (I don't know the details of the case, but off-the-cuff I'd say there's a 90% chance A-Rod gets called to testify by the state, and a 100% chance he gets called by the defense.)
Also, this is in front of Judge Gayles. I suspect the Judge is going to allow a lot of latitude in what the defense is able to get into. (BTW, Gayles is the first openly gay black Federal. judge. It's kind of a miracle he was approved, but it's completely deserved. He was a county court judge as recently as 2010, so his star's risen pretty quickly.)
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Also, A-Rod was granted limited immunity. Immunity is complicated. Basically, nothing he said can be used against him. However, anything the prosecution could have discovered (inevitable discovery) is fair game. Also, anything A-Rod lied about, or didn't speak to is fair game. So far, A-Rod hasn't been charged with anything. However, I have absolutely no idea how A-Rod is viewed by the US Attorney; they could be 100% willing to let him walk, or they could be looking for additional dirt. Some of that would depend on what new information comes out.
All the defendants could plea out and limit liability, but if one or more tries to go down swinging (or if there are no good deals), then this has the ability to get even more ugly and sordid, more quickly.
Also, this is in front of Judge Gayles. I suspect the Judge is going to allow a lot of latitude in what the defense is able to get into. (BTW, Gayles is the first openly gay black Federal. judge. It's kind of a miracle he was approved, but it's completely deserved. He was a county court judge as recently as 2010, so his star's risen pretty quickly.)
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Also, A-Rod was granted limited immunity. Immunity is complicated. Basically, nothing he said can be used against him. However, anything the prosecution could have discovered (inevitable discovery) is fair game. Also, anything A-Rod lied about, or didn't speak to is fair game. So far, A-Rod hasn't been charged with anything. However, I have absolutely no idea how A-Rod is viewed by the US Attorney; they could be 100% willing to let him walk, or they could be looking for additional dirt. Some of that would depend on what new information comes out.
All the defendants could plea out and limit liability, but if one or more tries to go down swinging (or if there are no good deals), then this has the ability to get even more ugly and sordid, more quickly.
Average Reds said:
It's like choosing between two wonderful but mutually exclusive options. Let's hope A-Rod remains pig-headed. His retirement would be a gold-plated gift to the Yanks.
I agree that Selig probably won't do anything - unless they have very hard evidence A-Rod violated the drug policy in some way not contemplated by the arbitration.
A-Rod didn't testify at the arb hearing, so there may not be any direct statements to MLB that contradict with his testimony for the US Attorney. In retrospect, that's probably why he didn't testify. At the time I think we all thought he was showing some good strategic sense in trying to limit his future liability, should bad contradictory facts come out. Now, it appears he had already completely confessed and was simply running the arb hearing up to the wire to see what he could get out of it, while making public statements of his innocence. I'm all for process, but this smacks of opportunistic game playing. If I were MLB, I'd be pissed that A-Rod was even able to reduce his ban through the hearing.
foulkehampshire said:
Much of this is incorrect. Testing was limited to Schedule III Steroids. In addition, there were 2 tests from samples taken 5-7 days apart. After the 1st sample was taken, players were advised to discontinue any supplements so they would be cleared from their system in time for the next sample in 5-7 days. To get on the "list" of positives, a player had to have failed both tests, or failed the 1st test with a substance in which it would not have been possible to acquire via any known OTC supplement.
Its spelled out on Pg 161 of the below 2003 CBA
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/spo/mlbpa/mlbpa_cba.pdf
