Verbose but informative is far better than concise but useless. Honestly, the "journalist" should get over himself; I learn a lot from reading RR's posts. I can't say the same about reading most newspapers these days.
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On the other hand we should all have enough self-awareness to let a "tl;dr" post just go instead of being offended by it. In your owns words, RR, just skip over it.
Let's take this conversation to backwash or PM now, everyone. Thanks.
Let's take this conversation to backwash or PM now, everyone. Thanks.
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Taken to hospital. For a half hour. Then returned to jail.
You may now all resume your normal lives.
You may now all resume your normal lives.
For anyone who cares, CNN one hour special on Hernandez tonight at 9pm.
LINK: http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/24/justice/case-against-aaron-hernandez/
LINK: http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/24/justice/case-against-aaron-hernandez/
RedOctober3829 said:Look who the University of Florida is featuring in a calendar promotion.
Very embarrassing by UF. But it stems from them not caring about character down there anyways.
Globe has it now, with tweets from the Gator feed saying its prob from a licensed third party. I thought of the photo editing idea since July 08 also began on a Tuesday--would have been an easy edit.DrewDawg said:
I'm pretty surprised that no one mentioned this until now, which is why I was suspicious--no one leafed through their calendars in Jan? No one looked ahead in may or June? Seems weird. Will be curious if more comes out...
Rudy Pemberton said:
It doesn't. The Gators calendar and the Patriots were 2014 calendars.
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/aaron-hernandez-featured-gators-2014-calendar-24382088
http://www.calendars.com/New-England-Patriots-2014-Wall-Calendar/prod201400009923/?categoryId=cat00499&cm_mmc=google-_-Product_Extensions-_-products-_-201400009923&gclid=CjkKEQjw_tOdBRDv9tuvl7eAtNEBEiQA9Qm5IgbQttkKq58T25PIG26ZGOICKdhWUtXQUigcKiJccYvw_wcB
2014 Patriot calendars avail here for under $7.00. 81 is shown in the preview of inside pages.
2015 Patriot calendars avail here for $15.99 with no preview and TB on the cover.
http://www.calendars.com/New-England-Patriots/New-England-Patriots-2015-Wall-Calendar/prod201500009106/?categoryId=cat00499&navCount=1&seoCatId=cat00499
2014 Patriot calendars avail here for under $7.00. 81 is shown in the preview of inside pages.
2015 Patriot calendars avail here for $15.99 with no preview and TB on the cover.
http://www.calendars.com/New-England-Patriots/New-England-Patriots-2015-Wall-Calendar/prod201500009106/?categoryId=cat00499&navCount=1&seoCatId=cat00499
While recruiting Connecticut gang-bangers is never a ggod idea, unless your name is Urban Meyer, the UF Alumni Association moniker that "you're a Gator for life" has unintended new meaning.RedOctober3829 said:Look who the University of Florida is featuring in a calendar promotion.
Tony C said:
There was earlier paid bonus that the Pats are also trying to recoup, but the chances of that happening are almost as slim.
EDIT: Thanks SN for the link. The local media, Rapclown included, so badly screwed up the reporting of this that it was hard to find real information. The Miguel breakdown was the first and only link that logically explained the situation.
I think you're right that AH will never see the money, but wrong that it didn't count against the salary cap. That money was scheduled against the cap the day Hernandez inked the contract; the fact that the actual paying of the bonus was spread out over time is irrelevant to the cap. The Patriots will need to win a grievance to get cap relief even for the money they haven't paid out.lexrageorge said:
EDIT: Thorough breakdown by Miguel: http://www.patsfans.com/salary-cap/?p=297
DrewDawg said:
It's hard to imagine how the belichick texts and/or the scouting report would be used. Criminally they might be minimally relevant. I don't think the Pats have any civil liability here at all. At least nothing obvious, or that passes the laugh test.
Anyway, I have no idea why they just don't turn these things over, except that they're obviously afraid of the PR hit.
I wonder if he should have alerted authorities that one of his players was delusional, on angel dust and speaking violently.
Any insight as to whether 33 pages is actually a lot of texts, or are these texts for court purposes complete with a good deal of technical info, thus making 1page = 3 texts, or something?Rovin Romine said:
It sounds as if everything was turned over except for the original scouting report and external psych screen....
How about are arguably mitigating because the text messages, at least, could support an argument that his mental state was compromised?Rovin Romine said:
It is really hard to see the relevance of the scouting report. In this respect, AH may have gotten from the prosecution some form of what he was denied from the Pats. A week or so ago it was reported Pats resisted turning over scouting stuff.
Yes, Biorgers, F and M, Shank and Easterbrook will be in the courtroom with wide smiles on their faces if tipped that the e-mails will be used.
kolbitr said:
Most legal docs are done in 12 point font, Times New Roman. (Pleadings and motions are double spaced.) Single spaces work out to 46 lines of text. So that's a maximum of 1518 lines of text, no spaces, etc.
I've seen text print outs formatted in all kinds of ways. Even in a "transcript" printout of texting, there will usually be a space between individual texts, so that moves a "realistic maximum" is down to 750 lines of print or so.
If it's a graphic representation - like a print out of the phone screens, you could be looking at as few as 33 texts. But again, it seems that would usually capture more than one text - so that moves a realistic minimum up to about 100 texts.
Great stuff as usual. You're one of the main reasons I actually read this thread as it is STILL depressing. Thanks, RR, as I was wondering some of the same things. Oh I have the JD but I don't practice law... so I'm as clueless as a layman!Rovin Romine said:
dcmissle said:
I don't think the prosecution would submit evidence that mitigates AH's potential liability.
The prosecution could be using the texts/Pats stuff for any number of reasons; establishing his whereabouts; showing that his credibility sucks (if the texts contain provable lies); establish his typical daily schedule; or even just to garner more media attention to the trial. Who knows.
If there was anything really, really, juicy in there, the prosecution would have demanded a lot more Patriots records than what they did.
AH: I think i shot some1 coach lol.DrewDawg said:
BB: He's questionable.
AH: No this is serious coach he's not moving or anything can u help pls
BB: He's inactive. Any further questions?
AH: Ah, coach...I'm going to be a little late. Something has, well, happened.
BB: Unacceptable.
AH: I mean, it's pretty serious. We're driving around, and well, I don't know what to do.
BB: Take care of it and be here on time.
AH: What do you mean?
BB: Deal with it and get in on time.
AH: Shit coach, I'm not sure.
BB: Aaron...
AH: Okay. Eastside for life!
BB: Dammit, I hate Urban Meyer.
BB: Unacceptable.
AH: I mean, it's pretty serious. We're driving around, and well, I don't know what to do.
BB: Take care of it and be here on time.
AH: What do you mean?
BB: Deal with it and get in on time.
AH: Shit coach, I'm not sure.
BB: Aaron...
AH: Okay. Eastside for life!
BB: Dammit, I hate Urban Meyer.
Of course they won't. But the prosecution is required to turn over to AH any materials that are potentially exculpatory as well. That is what I am focused on. Not the collection of this stuff by the prosecution but it's turnover to the defense team.drleather2001 said:
Wasn't Lloyd a semi-pro player? I'm seeing a "We don't talk about players who aren't on our team" in there.
I´m sorry, but i won´t read this whole thread but maybe someone could summarize what is the current position on this?
-did he do it?
-will there be proof for this?
-is his defense trying to proof he did not do it (they/he pleaded not guilty?)?
-how is this viewed in US public?
-what´s the best case scenario Aaron Hernandez looks at right now?
Sorry, but i don´t read NFL news as much as NBA, MLB, football(the round version) and especially not in the offseason. I don´t have any idea about the US law system and what´s going on with this trial and how everyone in public sees it or news report about it. Thanks!
-did he do it?
-will there be proof for this?
-is his defense trying to proof he did not do it (they/he pleaded not guilty?)?
-how is this viewed in US public?
-what´s the best case scenario Aaron Hernandez looks at right now?
Sorry, but i don´t read NFL news as much as NBA, MLB, football(the round version) and especially not in the offseason. I don´t have any idea about the US law system and what´s going on with this trial and how everyone in public sees it or news report about it. Thanks!
You can't be bothered to read the thread but want someone to spend time telling you what's in the thread?
-did he do it? Most assuredly
-will there be proof for this? Well, lots of circumstantial and maybe someone flipped.
-is his defense trying to proof he did not do it (they/he pleaded not guilty?)? Unknown what the exact defense will be.
-how is this viewed in US public? He's a murdering scumbag.
-what´s the best case scenario Aaron Hernandez looks at right now? An incompetent jury and/or prosecutor. Beyond that, some kind of plea deal.
Oh, I mean, READ THE THREAD!!!!
-will there be proof for this? Well, lots of circumstantial and maybe someone flipped.
-is his defense trying to proof he did not do it (they/he pleaded not guilty?)? Unknown what the exact defense will be.
-how is this viewed in US public? He's a murdering scumbag.
-what´s the best case scenario Aaron Hernandez looks at right now? An incompetent jury and/or prosecutor. Beyond that, some kind of plea deal.
Oh, I mean, READ THE THREAD!!!!
Schnerres is a beat reporter for ESPN.com and was assigned to get an update on the AH trial. DrewDawg just wrote the damn thing for him.
dcmissle said:
Possibly.
Having one's mental state "compromised" won't necessarily move you down the chain from M1 to M2 to Manslaughter. I'm not sure of the MA wording, but usually the gradation is that M1 is "premeditated unlawful killing," M2 is "unpremeditated" but with: malice aforethought/depraved indifference/death as likely outcome/aggravating circumstance-felony murder, etc., and Voluntary Manslaughter is a "heat of the moment" unpremeditated killing that hinges on someone being actually "reasonably" provoked - the classic wife-caught-in-flagrante-delicto (colloquial sense) scenario.
AH is in the M1 box, perhaps M2 if everyone agrees (and convinces the jury) that Lloyd was just going to be threatened and a gun went off accidentally.
To get any kind of "trial relief" due to mental state, AH would have go for a full on "NG by reason of insanity" defense. My off the cuff impression is that has no chance in hell of flying, no matter how many drugs he allegedly took, since AH was clearly functional before and after the murder.
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Mental illness may (or may not) apply to a sentencing argument as mitigation, but that depends on MA law. Same thing with excessive drug use, but usually self-intoxication leading to outrageous behavior isn't kindly looked upon by the courts.
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In terms of the texts being used at trial, BB would have to be called to establish the foundation of the texts. Therefore the only way they actually benefit either party is if they rein in or control BB's testimony. But I'm not sure why BB would be called in the first place, unless it's to nail down something AH did afterword that shows "guilty mind" - such as asking if he can go practice in a country that does not have a extradition treaty with the US. In reality it would be something mundane like saying he's in trouble and asking if he should lie low for a few days, etc.
On the flip side, usually the defense couldn't use AH's texts at trial because they're self serving hearsay (usual exceptions apply though.) So they can't really call BB to introduce AH's statements. (Nothing that BB did based on the texts would likely be relevant to the trial itself so there's no way to back door a hearsay exception, and there's no sure way to approximately establish state of mind via receiving a message text.)
I'm also not sure why the defense wouldn't have access to the texts themselves. Its possible that AH wiped his phone and that his service provider does not store texts (usually they do though), and that BB kept the texts on his phone.
Edit: reign/rein
Every question will be replied with "I already answered that in the deposition, next question."dcmissle said:
I think so too. Long shot.Stitch01 said:
I was thinking of Billick in this context because one of the best features of the Ravens' Hard Knocks years ago was when Billick received a phone call that a good player was out for the year.
So I'm imaging BB in his kitchen taking the call,
"Sorry Bill but you''re gonna hafta take the stand ..."
The response would be, "you have to be effing kidding me" and degenerate from there
Did the Ravens and Panthers turn over a similar amount of material in the Carruth and Ray Lewis cases? Was the technology so different back then?
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