Aaron Hernandez Trial (Odin Lloyd)
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OilCanShotTupac said:
I have absolutely no idea what he is trying to say in it. It is total gibberish.
Has she testified in front of the jury yet? I'm tied up in court. Not literally, just figuratively.
She lost me when they asked her to define what Hernandez meant by "buggin" in that text. He clearly meant he was freaking out, everyone knows that he meant he was freaking out. I get that it's damning, but the whole text is, and twisting herself into knots to explain the word away as no big deal rubbed me the wrong way. That and the OL friendship/cordial dance weren't her best moments from a credibility standpoint in my opinion.
The implication is that he is referring to the double-homicide. Hernandez got drunk while he was out with Lloyd, while drunk spilled the beans about the Abreu/Furtado murder to Lloyd, then woke up and is now freaking out about having told Lloyd.Comfortably Lomb said:
Edit: I guess it goes towards motive. Hernandez was obviously concerned about something he said to Lloyd.
cshea said:
I think that's the inescapable inference. Why else would he text it to his GF while he's waking up from a night of too much drinking/drugs? (The fact that there was a double homicide he was charged with isn't coming in without more than an ambiguous text, even though it's the most likely candidate.)
Or is the other spot his flophouse? If so why would AH care that OL knew about it? Unless OL saw the illegal guns there? Guns which (I believe) have been excluded from this trial?
This is what I'm wondering. AH told Lloyd about his other place. Maybe AH is "buggin" because O's gf might tell her sister that he has a poon palace?Rovin Romine said:
edit: and maybe it already had gotten back to her and that's why he's sorry.
Of course, he would know O opened his damn mouth so...
GeorgeCostanza said:
Maybe. If I'm in the prosecutor's shoes, I'd take the safe path. I'd burn her down today, so the jury remembers that over the weekend. I'd also reserve another rock-solid issue to burn her on for Monday, so it's more of the same when everything starts up again. Today would also be the day to go after anything you might worry is "fixable" with a weekend of reflection.
That said, there may not be that many gray areas to be worried about, but it's almost always unwise to let the opposition regroup.
steveluck7 said:
But he texted this info to Shayanna directly the morning after. Which implies she knows what the "spot" is, and why AH would be "buggin." I suppose Shayanna could have found out that morning or the night before, but that makes the text weirder - you'd expect something like - "Sorry, not how it looks, I'll explain, etc." Seems like she's already in the loop though.
Rovin Romine said:
Were they not allowed to ask Shayanna what she interpreted the message to mean?
If she alreadt knows about the "spot" and the "spot" is the double murder then she becomes much more a part of AH's criminal enterprise, no? What might that open her up to in terms of the pending double-murder trial?Rovin Romine said:
For those of us watching by twitter/SoSH did she say anything during voir dire about what she did with the box? I assume her testimony will be a less than credible "I don't remember."
steveluck7 said:
I have never heard the word "spot" refer to a killing. There is no mention of that usage in Urban Dictionary either.
theapportioner said:
Hernandez clearly read Macbeth and means a metaphorical spot on his hands from the murder.
yeahlunchbox said:
I think the statement is from 2013 if I recall correctly. I'm more surprised that a company is still printing the SSN number on statements. I haven't seen my SSN on a statement in a long time, probably since the early 2000s. At most is the last 4 digits.
I thought Shayanna did alright on the stand. As a guy, I have to say that I was a bit captivated by her good looks. I'm working so I'm watching/listening in the background so I didn't follow every statement.
I think they did, but she punted.theapportioner said:
Depends on MA law - usually mere knowledge of a crime having been committed isn't enough. If she did anything to cover up the murder, or assist she could be liable under whatever version of accessory theory MA has on the books. It's more likely that she just found out about it afterward. But if she knew, she'll have perjured herself six ways to Sunday.steveluck7 said:
I've definitely heard people use the word "spot" in place of saying something that 'their thing.'
This is probably a bad example, but say you had a group of friends and you were the 'best dressed one.' Another person starts dressing well, and you could claim that to be your 'spot.' As in, that is 'my' thing.
I'm trying to think of a better example, that involves more of an action related use of 'spot.' It works in my head, but examples escape me.
This is probably a bad example, but say you had a group of friends and you were the 'best dressed one.' Another person starts dressing well, and you could claim that to be your 'spot.' As in, that is 'my' thing.
I'm trying to think of a better example, that involves more of an action related use of 'spot.' It works in my head, but examples escape me.
I think it's enough to presume that people talk in shorthand ways to each other especially as they are more familiar.
I feel like there is a lot of contortion in this thread (not from everyone) to get to a "Aaron Hernandez is innocent" decision. Maybe that is the natural result of everyone else's presumption of guilt, maybe there is a lingering Patriots bias, mostly I assume it's because we have a bunch of defense lawyers around. BTW I'm not talking about RR who has been insightful and going out of his way to be neutral and just presenting his insight.
As for the text, I think the fact that she didn't go into what the "spot" was when it is clear from the context of the text that she knew exactly what it was is fairly damning, no? Even if she could come up with something believable like a place where he hid his weed (and wouldn't want Lloyd to know about) or some trim he was getting on the side that he was apologizing to her for since now everyone would know or whatever. I assume they wouldn't have brought it into evidence if they didn't want the jury to get the idea that it was in reference to the previous double homicide.
I feel like there is a lot of contortion in this thread (not from everyone) to get to a "Aaron Hernandez is innocent" decision. Maybe that is the natural result of everyone else's presumption of guilt, maybe there is a lingering Patriots bias, mostly I assume it's because we have a bunch of defense lawyers around. BTW I'm not talking about RR who has been insightful and going out of his way to be neutral and just presenting his insight.
As for the text, I think the fact that she didn't go into what the "spot" was when it is clear from the context of the text that she knew exactly what it was is fairly damning, no? Even if she could come up with something believable like a place where he hid his weed (and wouldn't want Lloyd to know about) or some trim he was getting on the side that he was apologizing to her for since now everyone would know or whatever. I assume they wouldn't have brought it into evidence if they didn't want the jury to get the idea that it was in reference to the previous double homicide.
In the message, AH is referring to the "other spot". So unless he's referring to additional killings besides the ones in the South End (and before Odin Lloyd), it has a different meaning. I assume it's his apartment that he is indicating.
We're now into the police showing up at the house/initial trip to the police station. Prosecution is going with a straight up chronological progression so far. From my POV she's being very evasive. When she's able to say it, she can't recall anything; showing her her prior testimony does not refresh her recollection.
Others may have a different opinion.
Others may have a different opinion.
Rovin Romine said:
Yeah, the prosecutor's presentation of her previous statements is a very effective tactic.
That he told Odin about his place in Franklin or that there was another murder?OilCanShotTupac said:
Wouldn't a spot be in refernece to a place he hangs out? That's how I've always heard is used
Huh - new detail (for me). After dropping AH off at the police station (first night), SJ drove to meet Bo (Wallace). At 11:30PM, with the baby, I presume. Via phone, AH had told SJ to meet with Wallace and give him money. Wallace was in Franklin, MA. Except he wasn't so SJ drove toward Providence. . .
Otherwise she's like the three wise monkeys, at least as far as details go. Everything is "I believe so."
Otherwise she's like the three wise monkeys, at least as far as details go. Everything is "I believe so."
I read it as a short for a bad spot aka bad position, jam etc.knuck said:
Also "hey you blew up my spot" as in you ratted me out.
Of course I did that knowing he is accused of a double murder and probably kill Lloyd because he was going to blow up his spot.
I had to leave at noon but watched the morning.
When I saw that text on here my first thought was earlier in the day when she said ahe asked AH if he killed Lloyd.
Now they have a text about blowing up his spot.
My logical question is you showed us a text that AH told something Lloyd he shouldn't have. When you found out Lloyd was dead the first thing you asked AH was if he killed him.
What made you leap to assuming or thinking he's capable of murder?
But the message of the texts explicitly states "other spot". So it is implied that there were multiple "spots", of which AH is referring to one.
she has zero cred to me. there is no way that night and every detail of that night isnt branded forever to her. its clear to me... she is giving grey to black and white questions.
To be fair he's accused of at least two other gun related crimes. Maybe spot 1 is Florida strip club shooting. Spot 2 is double murder.
I don't see how the flop house makes any sense. The person you wouldn't tell about that is your girlfriend. Not your boy.
I don't see how the flop house makes any sense. The person you wouldn't tell about that is your girlfriend. Not your boy.
Even if "other spot" doesn't refer to the double murder, I think it's pretty clear that Hernandez was upset and concerned over what he had told Lloyd in a drunken stupor the night before.
That comment earlier is what has stuck with me. Also the testimony about the gun in the junk drawer. She remembers going to the basement and gave him a dirty look. Doesn't remember even mentioning what the look was for. Then she later went to the junk drawer and the gun was gone. She doesn't remeber ever asking AH about why there's a handgun in the junk drawer.Rudy Pemberton said:
The prosecutor asked her how he would even know why she was giving the dirty look if she didn't have the gun with her or say it's about the gun. She had no answer at all.
The whole sequence of events isn't even plausible for two people living in the same home unless she's the dumbest person on the planet.
If she was afraid of him she wouldn't have gone to the effort to give him a dirty look.
cshea said:
Having committed a double murder puts him in a "tough spot" or a "tight spot." Hence, "hey you know that tight spot I'm in from having murdered two people, I told OL about that."
Her side trip to Franklin is really weird. Is the implication that she dumped the gun there? Or was the garbage that was taken out, after her trip to Franklin?
Edit: Guess not. Testimony is coming to that stuff.
Edit: Guess not. Testimony is coming to that stuff.
If I'm reading this correctly, Hernandez told her to go to Franklin to meet Wallace and give him money. Wallace wasn't in Franklin so she re-routed to RI where she stopped at an ATM, withdrew $500, then met with Wallace at a McDonald's and gave him cash. She also says Ortiz was in the car with Wallace.theapportioner said:
cshea said:
This. It doesn't matter what each juror thinks about the word. whatever it is, context suggests its something he wishes he hadn't blabbed. The prosecutor is probably confident that no juror will think its something that somehow helps exonerate AH.
joe dokes said:
You could imagine them using it as a MacGuffin. "What did Hernandez say to Lloyd by accident? Was it about guns,drugs, the flophouse or something else? We don't know for sure--Mr. Lloyd isn't here to tell us"
Why even ask? The best you will get back is an I don't know. The worst is some made up thing that negates the whole piece of evidence.
yeah.. why didnt he ask about the "equal is right" stuff.. that says to me... she got the code to get rid of the box..
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