Adrian Peterson indicted for reckless/negligent injury to a child
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Hambone said:Goodell has no good path here. Zero. No decision can be made without criticism. 2 game suspension and he gets killed that Rice is serving more and why is beating women worse than children. Indefinite and he gets killed that Rice walked away with 2 games. Investigation and he gets killed that he needs to take action more swiftly.
While I hate that a child may have been abused here (though I sorta hate children), I gotta say
Third path: heavy-handed punishment and deal with the fallout from the player's association. Let them deal with the PR nightmare that is defending a player who is indicted for child endangerment.
Corsi said:
It's amazing what you can find on the Internet
http://nypost.com/2013/10/17/adrian-peterson-could-have-7-kids-ex/
If the NFL were smart, they'd suspend themselves indefinitely from delving into another non-football matter due to the gross ineptitude exhibited in the Rice case. Just allow the criminal justice system to handle it. Does that organization have any counsel on staff?
With all the rabid media looking for more blood in the water, how does the NFL not try to get ahead of this situation? In doing so, a possibly innocent man could be unfairly punished, but if they don't do something now and it turns out that he received a slap on the wrist when the incident first happened because he's an NFL star, the media will pounce quickly.
Prior to the Ray Rice stuff, I'd say let the justice system work and punish based on that if at all. Now, I'm guessing they'll act proactively even if it means punishing a possibly innocent guy.
In response to someone upthread - I wonder how they're going to handle suspensions/discipline from here on out. DUI is worth what? Smoking pot? Child abuse? Domestic violence? There are so many varied situations, each with their own level of seriousness. I'd hate to be involved in forming an agreement with the Players Association and the League. It's no doubt going to be a cluster fuck, but something that needs to be addressed. They need to do the right thing for the sake of the right thing, but it's doubled-down as the eyes of the world are now on the league and the players.
Prior to the Ray Rice stuff, I'd say let the justice system work and punish based on that if at all. Now, I'm guessing they'll act proactively even if it means punishing a possibly innocent guy.
In response to someone upthread - I wonder how they're going to handle suspensions/discipline from here on out. DUI is worth what? Smoking pot? Child abuse? Domestic violence? There are so many varied situations, each with their own level of seriousness. I'd hate to be involved in forming an agreement with the Players Association and the League. It's no doubt going to be a cluster fuck, but something that needs to be addressed. They need to do the right thing for the sake of the right thing, but it's doubled-down as the eyes of the world are now on the league and the players.
I assume the indictment just means they think the incident met the requirements to be an offense in Texas.
Absolutely effing right. Maybe draw the line at the nature of the incident/crime. If it is not related to football or the performance of football, allow the proper authority to evaluate and mete out justice.Gash Prex said:
No, but once again the NFL's personal conduct policy is not meant to punish criminals, it is meant to punish behavior the NFL doesn't want to see its players engage in. And they are not subject to the same evidentiary or procedural standards as the government. A policy where anyone indicted for a crime like this sits for X games regardless of the outcome of the resulting criminal case is a perfectly reasonable policy.glennhoffmania said:
In a perfect world, yes. This is a league, however, with a serious perception problem right now. I don't see how they let themselves become vulnerable to not being proactive at this point. Not saying it's what they should do, just what I think they will do.Fred in Lynn said:
What about the difference between a civil suit and a criminal one? Should the NFL's standards be set to "criminal" levels? What if Rice or AP are tried in criminal court and acquitted, but then it goes civil and (with a lower standard of evidence, if I understand correctly) are found liable?
Is the NFL taking a stance on "criminals", or people who violate either civil or criminal code?
(the decriminalization of marijuana but continued punishment of marijuana users seems telling, although it's still federally criminal. If/when that changes, it will be interesting to see how the NFL deals with it)
Is the NFL taking a stance on "criminals", or people who violate either civil or criminal code?
(the decriminalization of marijuana but continued punishment of marijuana users seems telling, although it's still federally criminal. If/when that changes, it will be interesting to see how the NFL deals with it)
An indictment usually means either a jury or a judge had probable cause to believe the crime occurred -- which means they thought it more likely than not that the crime occurred. I don't think I would mind a rule that says if an indictment is returned for serious crimes -- felonies for example -- the player should be suspended for some period of time while the league evaluates the situation and decides whether to continue the suspension or wait. Maybe up to two weeks. If after that, they still need more time, the player could be reinstated until the justice system takes its course. And if a suspension ultimately is issued, the player gets time served on the two games, but if no suspension is issued, the player gets paid his salary back for the missed games. You can't give him or his team the missed games back, but I'm ok with that to avoid the unseemly situation where players get to play despite serious indictments.
Why is the NFL full of so many morons? I'm getting sick of reading and hearing about this shit constantly. It's way worse than any other sport by far.
Yeah there's no way that could fly, and it never has. If someone is on trial for murder, they can't be playing football games at the same time; it's too much of a distraction and looks really bad if they're convicted.Yaz4Ever said:
rodderick said:
If I recall correctly, Peterson didn't even know about that child until shortly before he died, and had nothing to do with the abuse. I don't think it's fair to put any of the blame for that tragedy on him.
BoSoxFink said:
Four.
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/09/12/adrian-peterson-indicted-for-child-abuse/
Those aren't just bruises. You can find the pics online. I'd feel sick about posting them here.
This adds nothing to the discussion, but Is there a video? That might be the difference between a 2 game suspension and in general nobody giving a shit or him being suspended indefinitely and the president of the United States chiming in.
edit: there are pics. seeya, AP. And rightfully so.
edit: there are pics. seeya, AP. And rightfully so.
TMZ says 11, but this site says 4, and that he admitted to "whooping" him. FFS, if true, especially if a switch was involved.BoSoxFink said:
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/09/12/adrian-peterson-indicted-for-child-abuse/
@SageRosenfels18: Can somebody who is under investigation investigate someone who is under investigation?
Yeah, so umm, the Pats play the Vikings this week.
I'm calling for at least a one game suspension, effective immediately.
Wait, he's not on any of my fantasy teams. Suspend him for the year.
I'm not the only one.
I'm calling for at least a one game suspension, effective immediately.
Wait, he's not on any of my fantasy teams. Suspend him for the year.
I'm not the only one.
His mistake in Texas was whipping him with a switch, if he'd pistol whipped him, he'd have been left alone.
Not a great week to be a sports fan. Here are the headlines on ESPN.com right now, literally none of which are related to the playing of a game:
- Reports: Adrian Peterson indicted in Texas
- Hawks GM Ferry takes leave of absence
- Orioles' Davis accepts 25-game ban
| Stark
- Slugger Stanton 'better' after HBP
| Olney
- Poll: Majority feel Goodell untruthful in video
- Cavs' lottery to decide single-game buyers
- Panthers on Hardy: Letting process play out
- Study: Dementia for 3 in 10 ex-NFL players
- Pistorius found guilty of culpable homicide
- NCAA rules UCLA freshman Bolden ineligible
Joe D Reid said:
Not a great week to be a sports fan. Here are the headlines on ESPN.com right now, literally none of which are related to the playing of a game:
- Reports: Adrian Peterson indicted in Texas
- Hawks GM Ferry takes leave of absence
- Orioles' Davis accepts 25-game ban
| Stark- Slugger Stanton 'better' after HBP
| Olney- Poll: Majority feel Goodell untruthful in video
- Cavs' lottery to decide single-game buyers
- Panthers on Hardy: Letting process play out
- Study: Dementia for 3 in 10 ex-NFL players
- Pistorius found guilty of culpable homicide
- NCAA rules UCLA freshman Bolden ineligible
And, plagiarism!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rough week, as you see here> RT @KenTremendous: Sports! pic.twitter.com/yYPAXF3ogX
I'm kidding, by the way.
Learning to think like Ken Tremendous is a life goal of mine, so I am thrilled about this.DrewDawg said:
And, plagiarism!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rough week, as you see here> RT @KenTremendous: Sports! pic.twitter.com/yYPAXF3ogX
I'm kidding, by the way.
TMZ also says the boy was 4 and has the same pictures.
Just so sad. What on earth could a four year old do that would make someone think he needed to be hit with a stick?
I think the NFL missed an opportunity in the past week to do some good and actually use the events to shine a magnifying glass on the problem of domestic violence. Rarely do you get a second chance this quickly. But I'm sure they will fumble.
Just so sad. What on earth could a four year old do that would make someone think he needed to be hit with a stick?
I think the NFL missed an opportunity in the past week to do some good and actually use the events to shine a magnifying glass on the problem of domestic violence. Rarely do you get a second chance this quickly. But I'm sure they will fumble.
I agree. Better to deal with a pissed off NFLPA than have the outcry get louder and build going into another week.jose melendez said:
Days like these it's hard to be into sports. It's inevitable, though, with a pool of about 2,500 players who are in the NFL or serious enough about the sport to be considered for roster spots, that there are a good number of horrible people employed in the game.
I don't envy Goodell right now.
I don't envy Goodell right now.
I saw one picture. That was enough. I am definitely in the camp that there is nothing wrong with setting boundaries with children. But beating them with a stick until it leaves multiple 2-4 inch welts? That literally looks like child abuse. Pretty brutal.
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