I’m down with this. Clean start.This seems like a given to me since he and Bloom are familiar with each other and he is highly regarded.
I’m down with this. Clean start.This seems like a given to me since he and Bloom are familiar with each other and he is highly regarded.
Anyone can say a name but this is a discussion board.Jason Varitek
I think that was more in terms of front office personnel. The Rays may make an exception to allow their bench coach to chase a promotion opportunity. Any agreement doesn't prevent Bloom from making a phone call and asking in a very nice way with lots of "pretty please's". And maybe lots of beers at the next league meetings.Didn’t Bloom agree not to poach anyone from TB as part of the deal to let him out of his contract there?
I keep hearing this in the sign stealing threads but what the Yankees were fined for was not sign stealing. It was illegal use of the dugout phone. Apparently, the dugout phone use was a single call to find out whether a pitch had been a strike.I believe this is correct. Both Sox and NYY were disciplined (lightly) for the apple watch/video rooms, and the league was notified that going forward, hammer comes down. Cora kept rolling the dice, perhaps the Yankees too, but perhaps they took the 2018 warning, and just went back to plain old sign stealing....
https://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2017/9/6/16262734/mlb-punishment-red-sox-sign-stealing-yankees-fines-hurricane-relief-apple-watch
Why not make Jason Varitek the Manager?Anyone can say a name but this is a discussion board.
Why?
Why #3? Because of #4? He's probably only had some spring training time with these guys, it's not like he's walking around the clubhouse making anybody's jaw drop.3. Would have the respect of the team
4. Red Sox Legend
Wouldn't TB have to grant permission? I wonder if that would be a problem at this time of year??This seems like a given to me since he and Bloom are familiar with each other and he is highly regarded.
5. He has been on the fence about whether he wants to do it and spend so much time away from his family. He'd likely take a 1 year deal as a mutual tryout. Worst case is Sox get a full offseason to look for a manager next year.Why not make Jason Varitek the Manager?
1. He is already with the Organization, as a special assistant involved in "major league personnel decisions, evaluations, and mentorship and instruction of young players"
2. Great Reputation
3. Would have the respect of the team
4. Red Sox Legend
Who's TLR?Don’t be shocked if Henry brings back TLR for a year.
Tony LaRussa, who was hired by the Angels in November.Who's TLR?
Loney was last with the Dodgers in 2012. Eight years later, he seems to admit that Cora was skirting the rules back then
I keep hearing this in the sign stealing threads but what the Yankees were fined for was not sign stealing. It was illegal use of the dugout phone. Apparently, the dugout phone use was a single call to find out whether a pitch had been a strike.
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After the Yankees complained to MLB about the Red Sox stealing signs, Boston alleged that the Yankees pointed a YES Network camera at Red Sox bench coach Gary DiSarcina during their recent series at Yankee Stadiium. Olney reports that the Red Sox were aware of the camera from previous games and moved DiSarcina to a different spot that wouldn't pick up his signals.
MLB's investigation did not find sufficient evidence of Boston's claim, but learned during the course of their investigation that during an earlier season (prior to 2017), the Yankees violated a rule regarding the use of a dugout phone. For that violation, the Yankees were fined a lesser amount than the Red Sox, which will also be donated to Florida hurricane relief efforts."
You must have read this wrongThe Yankees were named in The Athletic article as a team that used the replay room to steal signs. Manfred seems as though he will not be investigating the Yankees because they supposedly stopped the practice after 2017. The Red Sox will be investigated because they allegedly continued the practice into 2018. Also, Logan Morrison alleged the Yankees had a sign stealing system.
In Scranton?Also, Logan Morrison alleged the Yankees had a sign stealing system.
I don’t. If 2018 and 2019 is What the Red Sox are alleged to be doing that was a misdemeanor.In Scranton?
Damn AAA teams, always pushing the envelope.
Seriously though, if they did it after the warning, I really think Manfred will find out and hammer them.
That Loney quote is an eye opener. Speaks to poor vetting of Cora if this was widely known.
there are reports out there that the Sox wanted to wait until the report but Cora effectively resigned.That Loney quote is an eye opener. Speaks to poor vetting of Cora if this was widely known.
Even if it is a promotion? So I am not sure about permission needing to be granted. He already was interviewed for Pitts and SF and was considered as a finalist in both.Wouldn't TB have to grant permission? I wonder if that would be a problem at this time of year??
really he was bad in det Laa Showalter wouild be good for a year or two or as a placeholder utail u get the tb managerAusmus would be my choice
I think the Sox get a heavy fine and may or may not lose a pick. They aren't going to get hit nearly as hard as Houston. Sox are repeat offenders but Houston just had the most elaborate cheating system in sports history over the course of years.I don’t. If 2018 and 2019 is What the Red Sox are alleged to be doing that was a misdemeanor.
The Sox will get significant penalties as a second time offender, but for other teams in a first post-2017 offense it should be a stiff fine, a 10 game suspension for the manager or something, and maybe forfeiting a second round pick.
And even the penalties the Sox get should be a small fraction of what the Astros got. Maybe loss of a first round pick and a big fine.
If your goal is to somehow make a whataboutism claim, I would say start a thread about the Yankees potential cheating and show your homework. Following that thread would be interesting.Another thought on the Apple Watch counter claim: if the allegations that Yankees were using the replay room is true then how thorough was Manfred's investigation? Seems like the Sox suspicions that their signs were being stolen would have been correct but what they supposed was the methodology was incorrect.
I mean poor vetting when they hired him.there are reports out there that the Sox wanted to wait until the report but Cora effectively resigned.
my point was they still seem to love him and maybe have been blinded throughout the whole tenure, from when Farrell was fired until todayI mean poor vetting when they hired him.
Mookie pays for himself, and then some (and in his particular case, by a sizable multiple). He covers for the 15th through 25th players on the roster who, while not truly fungible, aren't starters and who sell exactly zero tickets on their own, except indirectly by preventing overuse injury to the players whose jerseys people actually buy, and whose performances are discussed in front of water coolers around the country. He pays for the massive staffing infrastructure of an organization like the Sox. Mookie is the product, or the single largest fraction of it. He's the reason you pony up for a ticket to a big league game as opposed to going to the minors somewhere for $10 to see damned good baseball players playing a game very well, thank you very much. What's the difference between that $10 ticket and the $150 you and I might pay to see Boston? Between the TV ratings for the Portland Sea Dogs and the Boston Red Sox? Most of that is Mookie, and the fellow stars, who are not just "damn good ballplayers" but "so absurdly good that you might see something that literally nobody else could have done".Eh. If they want their best shot at Mookie for the long run, they take their medicine this year and make a Godfather offer to him next year. They might be more inclined to keep him around for the year if they know they have no shot at him, but that's an extra $27M out of pocket. That's a lot of tickets.
Devers at $583,500?There's nobody in the organization more underpaid than Mookie Betts is at $27,000,000 per year.
Or perhaps they vetted him really well and his known edge seeking was considered a feature and not a bug. Again, there is some form of sign stealing going on at every level and I would be shocked if quite a few organizations aren't utilizing technology for this purpose.That Loney quote is an eye opener. Speaks to poor vetting of Cora if this was widely known.
Same thing happened to NixonOr perhaps they vetted him really well and his known edge seeking was considered a feature and not a bug. Again, there is some form of sign stealing going on at every level and I would be shocked if quite a few organizations aren't utilizing technology for this purpose.
The problem wasn't the crime. It was getting busted for it.
hey now he's going to get at least a round million for next year!Devers at $583,500?
No, that's not me being clear enough, the Brewers were mentioned separately from Morrison, that goes back to November when Darvish mentioned something and then some reporters also gave vague inferences. Brewers were just the only other team I remember being specifically mentioned by anyone besides those 4.Did he really implicate the Brewers? They just signed him to a non-roster invite deal. Even if incredibly implicit, that's awkward as hell.
Trot or Dick? I mean, who got more "swole" during their career peak?Same thing happened to Nixon
Yes, sobering.Loney was last with the Dodgers in 2012. Eight years later, he seems to admit that Cora was skirting the rules back then
I was thinking more that Loney looks like a schmuck for piling on with a "yeah, i knew that back then" commentYes, sobering.
Somehow I doubt Showalter would want it. IIMO he wouldn't be caught dead in a Red Sox uniform. Nor would most of the fan base want him.really he was bad in det Laa Showalter wouild be good for a year or two or as a placeholder utail u get the tb manager
I see that differently.That Loney quote is an eye opener. Speaks to poor vetting of Cora if this was widely known.
Doesn’t make me feel any better but good point.I see that differently.
The Astros ludicrous scandal put long-standing grey area practices in a new light.
Cora was brought here because of his familiarity with the dark arts as practiced in Houston. Not despite.
This needs more loveI'm just glad there won't be anymore cheating in baseball.
I feel the same way. I'm sad he's gone, figured he was going to be a long-term manager for a very good run over a number of years in the futureHad to be done.
I can‘t recall the last time a pro sports coach/manager disappointed me as much as Alex Cora. I thought he was here for the long haul, turns out he‘s a cheater. Very sad.
Why can't the MLB just install some camera's in the video room and see who's in there?didn't one of the Red Sox players who came forward to Rosenthal say we had the monitors in our pockets?
EDIT: Excerpt from Athletic:
I'm sure a good chunk of the investigation would be seeing if this occurred in 2018 postseason.
I'm not advocating for Varitek, but he was with the Sox during the late season Colorado tripWhy #3? Because of #4? He's probably only had some spring training time with these guys, it's not like he's walking around the clubhouse making anybody's jaw drop.
Or Brady Williams, the Durham Bulls manager, if there is an issue with getting Quatraro out of there.This seems like a given to me since he and Bloom are familiar with each other and he is highly regarded.