Very much agree with this. His behavior cost him and the Red Sox plenty. The heck with Cora.I just wanted a fresh start. Cora will always have a bit of a taint to him.
Very much agree with this. His behavior cost him and the Red Sox plenty. The heck with Cora.I just wanted a fresh start. Cora will always have a bit of a taint to him.
Again, can we get some reporting that says Bloom was leaned on before going this route?Yes, have the Sox just started the clock on Bloom's departure?
Me exactly.Well, I kind of hate this, but whatever. Laundry.
What did it cost them other than a second round pick? His behavior in Boston was nothing short of the best team the franchise has ever seen.Very much agree with this. His behavior cost him and the Red Sox plenty. The heck with Cora.
Maybe that too, but I don't read the Sox as contenders next year. They aren't blowing it up but they aren't going to be like 2018. I doubt Cora would hear footsteps or would be axed if they don't make the playoffs. Unless maybe if it was like an 6-20 stretch or something. And if Cora wanted to come back, then he also understands that his team won't be as deep or as consistently competitive.I was more thinking about it from Cora's perspective...possibly looking over his shoulder because his potential replacement is right next to him.
I’m with you on the disappointment. He was a great manager in 2018 but I would have preferred the organization place more value in having very high character people in their leadership positions.Color me disappointed. I've been a fan of the Sox since the late '60s and will continue to cheer for the laundry, but am not thrilled with having Cora back primarily due to the baggage he carries. Despite what's coming out from the media, I do wonder about how much pressure Bloom was under from ownership on this and what that means down the road.
Okay, but he has a coaching job with the Phillies. If we want to hire him away, we need to offer him something more than a lateral move.Fuld was obviously just a suggestion of mine. Maybe bench coach is too far but the guy is going to manage one day, bench coaching is pretty much "vice president" in managing at this point. Chaim wants him in the organization in some way at least, unless this entire process was a long con from the start and Fuld was put 2nd just as a solid to him.
Why do you dislike this ownership group? The ownership group apologized for this past season. Sam Kennedy even took the time to meet with Bertha who had written the critical letter about ownership. I take both that move and the re hiring of Cora as steps in the right direction.Good.
I've grown to dislike this ownership group intensely and it's interfered with my love of the team. This is a step in the right direction, even though it's tainted because Cora is still damaged goods no matter how much I like him otherwise.
I suspect that we may also learn (as more things come out) that his role in the offenses in Houston was smaller than has been reported.Is there an old oak tree next to Fenway that they tied yellow ribbons around?
I like it. He did his time and the offense was in Houston.
Well, it has only been 4 rings since they took over....Why do you dislike this ownership group? The ownership group apologized for this past season. Sam Kennedy even took the time to meet with Bertha who had written the critical letter about ownership. I take both that move and the re hiring of Cora as steps in the right direction.
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@Bertha emailed Sam Kennedy, but it was someone else that responded to him.Why do you dislike this ownership group? The ownership group apologized for this past season. Sam Kennedy even took the time to meet with Bertha who had written the critical letter about ownership. I take both that move and the re hiring of Cora as steps in the right direction.
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Who else was going to hire him? The Sox were the only managerial job left open. If they don't hire him, at best he is a coach on someone else's staff.I am very happy about Cora being back. I see nothing to be mad about this rehiring. He did his time, was eligible to be hired, and is a good manager. Someone was going to hire him, why not us?
Thanks for clarifying that, Kelpap. I did send it to SK, and he forwarded it internally to be addressed. What I found encouraging was the level of who called me (an exec VP) as well as his apparent sincerity and willingness to be open to improvement. No excuses, and significant discussion on how they are seeking to be better. There never was going to be a positive solution, but I came away impressed and reasonably satisfied with the overall social conscience of Sox management.@Bertha emailed Sam Kennedy, but it was someone else that responded to him.
He would have been perfect for the White Sox but they went in basically as far opposite direction they could have.Who else was going to hire him? The Sox were the only managerial job left open. If they don't hire him, at best he is a coach on someone else's staff.
I didn't mean today, but someone eventually was going to do it. Players who serve their suspensions get reinstated, and we don't bat an eye. I did not see any of this trepidation when Michael Chavis was called up on the Red Sox. Cora is better at his job than Chavis is at his, whatever past offence they have committed and paid for.Who else was going to hire him? The Sox were the only managerial job left open. If they don't hire him, at best he is a coach on someone else's staff.
Isn't the public pretty stoked?Poor PeteAbe is salty that they're "dumping" the news on Friday evening. As if having the Zoom press conference tonight versus next week would make such a huge difference.
View: https://twitter.com/PeteAbe/status/1324839482592473088
He did penance, now its time to do pennants!Cora's sabbatical of penance comes to a predictable conclusion.
+2Well, I kind of hate this, but whatever. Laundry.
Yep. Cora was awesome and I was pissed when he left. Hyped that he’s backGood. Cora's a good manager and has the respect of the players. I'm thrilled, really.
I also think another chance for a non-white manager is not nothing. Diversity in the higher levels of the sport has always been a problem. And the finite field of possible manager positions is always a crowd of mostly white dudes. I mean, Tony LaRussa got dusted off and uncrated for the White Sox, and he's on record as already raising red flags with his take on diversity.Well, he's not a repeat offender until he offends again. I'm for it. He is a proven commodity who will instantly improve the team.
He broke rules, but in doing so helped to better define what the rules are. Another chance is reasonable.
Perhaps?Perhaps it's the existentialist in me, but if you say he's tainted, it means he's human. To a larger or lesser degree, we're all tainted.
It was never anything, teams have been stealing signs since the dawn of time.After Justin Turner got off scot-free, screw it. Watching videos and banging trash cans is absolutely nothing.
To this, I'd also add that A.J. Hinch had no problems landing a job this offseason despite being the direct supervisor of the supposed masterminds and the players who carried out the scheme. I'm skeptical that he'd have been such a hot commodity if he wasn't a White guy.I also think another chance for a non-white manager is not nothing. Diversity in the higher levels of the sport has always been a problem. And the finite field of possible manager positions is always a crowd of mostly white dudes. I mean, Tony LaRussa got dusted off and uncrated for the White Sox, and he's on record as already raising red flags with his take on diversity.
Often non-white job seekers have to be exceptionally perfect. And if they aren't they are then unofficially shadowbanned for life. The standard is already too high, so a second chance here with this context has merit.