Really? I think you might be mixing people up there. Woj has notoriously been pretty tough on LeBron and his crew.Woj is definitely Rich Paul's mouthpiece
Take it for what that's worth
I doubt that Ainge would trade both Kyrie and Tatum for AD, but he sure as shit wouldn't make such a franchise altering move because he wanted to keep some guy away from some other team. That's crazy, even by BigJohn standards.If AD comes next week, Tatum will likely be gone along with Kyrie. The Pelicans would have no interest in a Kyrie rental, but Memphis might or Charlotte might, in exchange for Conley or Walker.
It's not a move I would make (I'm not trading Tatum, period), but Ainge may make it, especially if it's the only way to keep AD out of Toronto.
This is my exactly what I was thinking in terms of an offer except I'd sub the Celtics first to be in 2019 and remove Baynes.If the Cs get the Sacto pick at 9-12 and the Clips at 15, is this enough of a package to get Davis on July 1?
Brown
Williams
Baynes
Rozier (S and T)
Player picked for NO with the Sacto pick at 9-12
Player picked with the Clips pick at 15
Memphis pick, top 6 protected, then unprotected
Celtics 2020 first
And if not, I'd hate to do it, but sub Tatum for Brown. Could the Pels say no to that much coming back, especially with how weakened their bargaining position has become because of Klutch/LeBron?
I'm even crazier than that. I hope Toronto gets Davis, because I'm dead against selling the farm for Davis-- I wouldn't give them Kyrie, or Tatum, or anyone else. Davis' injury history is a concern, and he has led the Pelicans exactly nowhere. He's a bunch of gaudy stats with no wins to show for it.I doubt that Ainge would trade both Kyrie and Tatum for AD, but he sure as shit wouldn't make such a franchise altering move because he wanted to keep some guy away from some other team. That's crazy, even by BigJohn standards.
Assuming Davis is the only Pel coming Boston's way, the Celtics need to send out around $20.5 million. Baynes and Brown make $11.4m combined. Rozier's new deal would make up the rest (assuming all of his new money counts for trade purposes.This is my exactly what I was thinking in terms of an offer except I'd sub the Celtics first to be in 2019 and remove Baynes.
I believe Horford may be part of the offer even though it will be difficult to get him to opt in and agree to go to New Orleans. IT seems like a fait accompli, if the Celtics trade for the Brow, that one of Brown/Tatum and one of Hayward/Horford will be on different teams.
I'm not making an argument for or against the trade. Just saying that DA won't do something that huge because of its implications for a rival. Hell, one of the biggest trades that he made (since Garnett) was with Philly. Another was with Lebron's Cavs. He's concerned about our roster, not anyone else's.I'm even crazier than that. I hope Toronto gets Davis, because I'm dead against selling the farm for Davis-- I wouldn't give them Kyrie, or Tatum, or anyone else. Davis' injury history is a concern, and he has led the Pelicans exactly nowhere. He's a bunch of gaudy stats with no wins to show for it.
Tatum is an absolute stud and I plan to be alive in three years, after Kawhi and Davis leave and Toronto's roster turns into a pile of shit.
You wouldn't give the Pelicans anybody for a top 5 player in the game? That's over the top ridiculous.I'm even crazier than that. I hope Toronto gets Davis, because I'm dead against selling the farm for Davis-- I wouldn't give them Kyrie, or Tatum, or anyone else. Davis' injury history is a concern, and he has led the Pelicans exactly nowhere. He's a bunch of gaudy stats with no wins to show for it.
Tatum is an absolute stud and I plan to be alive in three years, after Kawhi and Davis leave and Toronto's roster turns into a pile of shit.
Yes, and he fleeced both of those teams. Maybe he can fleece Demps too, but it's unlikely. Demps knows that the baseline is a Ball, Kuzma, Ingram, Hart package and some non-lottery picks from the Lakers. He could do that deal today. The question is whether or not a team like Toronto, Denver or Portland will come forward with a better offer between now and Feb. 7, or after July 1.I'm not making an argument for or against the trade. Just saying that DA won't do something that huge because of its implications for a rival. Hell, one of the biggest trades that he made since Garnett was with Philly. Another was with Lebron's Cavs. He's concerned about our roster, not anyone else's.
I'm guessing something like 36 and 8 on 12-18 from the floor.One would assume next time Kyrie plays, he is going to be asked all these questions. Should be interesting to see what he says.
Not for a rental, no. AD is gone to the lakers in 2020, no matter how much arm twisting Ainge does.You wouldn't give the Pelicans anybody for a top 5 player in the game? That's over the top ridiculous.
Many said the same thing about Paul George.Not for a rental, no. AD is gone to the lakers in 2020, no matter how much arm twisting Ainge does.
And you know this how?Not for a rental, no. AD is gone to the lakers in 2020, no matter how much arm twisting Ainge does.
Why is he going to LA exactly in 2020? LeBron will be 36 years old. Is that really the place he wants to spend the rest of his career?Not for a rental, no. AD is gone to the lakers in 2020, no matter how much arm twisting Ainge does.
I guess you didn’t like Kevin Garnett either because your first paragraph applies directly to him.I'm even crazier than that. I hope Toronto gets Davis, because I'm dead against selling the farm for Davis-- I wouldn't give them Kyrie, or Tatum, or anyone else. Davis' injury history is a concern, and he has led the Pelicans exactly nowhere. He's a bunch of gaudy stats with no wins to show for it.
Tatum is an absolute stud and I plan to be alive in three years, after Kawhi and Davis leave and Toronto's roster turns into a pile of shit.
Not for a rental, no. AD is gone to the lakers in 2020, no matter how much arm twisting Ainge does.
And you know that he will stay-- how? I'm basing my best guess on the fact that his agent is under the control of another player and will steer him in that direction.And you know this how?
Until they knew AD was going there...Many said the same thing about Paul George.
In general I think short contracts and increased player movement has been a positive for the NBA and the increased focus it places on free agency and the trade deadline is a win for fans, but this is a bad, bad look. It's problematic enough that Davis is requesting a trade a year and a half before his contract is up; having the team respond by benching him is just a slap in the face to the fans and hurts the integrity of the game.If AD does not get traded, he will likely be shut down...
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If no trade materializes between now and the Feb. 7 buzzer, with the playoffs essentially out of reach, New Orleans has much more incentive to keep Anthony Davis shelved in the name of protecting its prized trade asset rather than playing him. As does Davis himself
If Davis is in a winning environment in Boston, is he giving up upwards of $40-$45 million to leave for LA?And you know that he will stay-- how? I'm basing my best guess on the fact that his agent is under the control of another player and will steer him in that direction.
The Garnett situation was different. There was no Klutch Sports back then, and Ainge had assurances that KG would stay in Boston.
Actually I sort of do hope that they get Zion, that will make them more realistic on the trade front as they'll have their new shiny marketing toy and they won't be fighting for an unrealistic return on Davis.Tank and earn Zion on their own, making other potential offers less valuable.
. So , does that include trading Kyrie if necessary? If Kyrie stays, there is no AD in Boston before July. Other teams will certainly put their best offers forward now, since their GMs will also do everything possible to get AD.I guess you didn’t like Kevin Garnett either because your first paragraph applies directly to him.
Tatum might be a stud, he isn’t near that yet. We are talking about a top 5 player in the NBA. You do everything possible to get a guy like that 100 times out of 100.
Not only that, is LA really going to kick the can down the road one more year by signing marginal players to one year contracts to preserve cap space for AD? He's worth it, but how do you sell that to Lebron?Why is he going to LA exactly in 2020? LeBron will be 36 years old. Is that really the place he wants to spend the rest of his career?
Yeah, at that point LeBron might demand a trade to Boston.Not only that, is LA really going to kick the can down the road one more year by signing marginal players to one year contracts to preserve cap space for AD? He's worth it, but how do you sell that to Lebron?
Tough. But if the Lakers' best offer isn't good enough, then they have to wait. What's the alternative? As for the argument that Paul George stayed, his decision and AD's are independent events. Don't infer what AD will do from what PG13 did.Not only that, is LA really going to kick the can down the road one more year by signing marginal players to one year contracts to preserve cap space for AD? He's worth it, but how do you sell that to Lebron?
Any offer with a lottery pick (read: Knicks/Celtics) won't be a "best" offer until the lottery occurs. That, alone, is a reason for NO to wait until after the season to trade AD.. So , does that include trading Kyrie if necessary? If Kyrie stays, there is no AD in Boston before July. Other teams will certainly put their best offers forward now, since their GMs will also do everything possible to get AD.
The problem is that LA is technically not doing anything wrong. If LeBron is recruiting Davis to come over, and Davis requests a trade, there is nothing to stop LA from inquiring about a trade. Nor is there anything to prevent LA from acquiring Davis in that case, unless the trade offer is clearly so far out of bounds to be ridiculous.Well, Stern blocked the CP3 trade, but at that point the league owned the team. What Silver should try to do is prevent any active player from having de facto control of any agency representing other players. I'm not sure how to accomplish that, but forcing player agents to be truly independent is probably in the best interests of both the owners and the players.
Another course is to take away draft picks, as Stern did to the Wolves. Without the ability to offer picks, the Lakers would have little or no chance of getting Davis before he hits free agency.
Using the cap space this summer to sign Kawhi or Kyrie?Tough. But if the Lakers' best offer isn't good enough, then they have to wait. What's the alternative? As for the argument that Paul George stayed, his decision and AD's are independent events. Don't infer what AD will do from what PG13 did.
Sure, they could do that. But then they won't be able to offer AD the max a year later. Really, it's Magic Johnson's fault. If he had drafted Tatum instead of Lonzo Ball AD would already be a Laker.Using the cap space this summer to sign Kawhi or Kyrie?
This is a shockingly reasonable position. There is a pyrrhic-victory scenario here, a winner's curse where our team ends up being less than the sum of its parts and we gave away too many assets, too much depth, to put all our eggs in one basket.I'm even crazier than that. I hope Toronto gets Davis, because I'm dead against selling the farm for Davis-- I wouldn't give them Kyrie, or Tatum, or anyone else. Davis' injury history is a concern, and he has led the Pelicans exactly nowhere. He's a bunch of gaudy stats with no wins to show for it.
Tatum is an absolute stud and I plan to be alive in three years, after Kawhi and Davis leave and Toronto's roster turns into a pile of shit.
The Pelicans are 26th in NBA Home Attendance so the fans are not showing up even WITH Davis in tow. Shutting him down will result in a half empty arena down the stretch and a franchise on the way to Seattle (or Las Vegas).I understand it; and the way the NBA is set up, such behavior is incentivized. But if I had season tickets, and they don't trade him and then just sit him, I'd be pissed. Instead of complaining about NFL officials' calls, maybe Louisiana legislators should voice their concerns over how a fucktillionaire owner is pissing away taxpayer money (which I assume was given away to the team at some point, because it always is).
Oh, he's a top 5 player with an outstanding PER. But the Kyrie/Davis scenario is a one-year scenario. After that it's Kyrie plus whatever Ainge can get by trading Davis at the 2020 deadline, so as not to lose him for nothing.So I'd say calling his career "a bunch of gaudy stats with no wins to show for it" is a bunch of Jeter-worshipping BS. Nobody can win a title all by themselves, just ask the first half of Michael Jordan's career.
Another ridiculous statement. If Danny gets Davis, there is no possible scenario where Davis is traded. None.Oh, he's a top 5 player with an outstanding PER. But the Kyrie/Davis scenario is a one-year scenario. After that it's Kyrie plus whatever Ainge can get by trading Davis at the 2020 deadline, so as not to lose him for nothing.
I don't agree with you about Anthony Davis but it does amaze me that he escapes criticism for the most part. Cousins was a loser on loser teams. Why isn't Anthony Davis?I'm even crazier than that. I hope Toronto gets Davis, because I'm dead against selling the farm for Davis-- I wouldn't give them Kyrie, or Tatum, or anyone else. Davis' injury history is a concern, and he has led the Pelicans exactly nowhere. He's a bunch of gaudy stats with no wins to show for it.
Tatum is an absolute stud and I plan to be alive in three years, after Kawhi and Davis leave and Toronto's roster turns into a pile of shit.
Then he leaves for LA for nothing. That's what he and his agent are saying right now. Maybe it's a bluff. but I doubt it.Another ridiculous statement. If Danny gets Davis, there is no possible scenario where Davis is traded. None.
So what you are saying is even if the Celtics are in a position to go to the NBA Finals with Kyrie and Davis that they should trade him because he might leave for LA?Then he leaves for LA for nothing. That's what he and his agent are saying right now. Maybe it's a bluff. but I doubt it.
Agreed. That's why Paul George is having such a great season for the LakersThen he leaves for LA for nothing. That's what he and his agent are saying right now. Maybe it's a bluff. but I doubt it.
Nobody is saying that they KNOW that he will stay. You are saying that he's definitely going to LA. You haven't provided any evidence except that he and Lebron share an agent.And you know that he will stay-- how? I'm basing my best guess on the fact that his agent is under the control of another player and will steer him in that direction.
The Garnett situation was different. There was no Klutch Sports back then, and Ainge had assurances that KG would stay in Boston.
Cousins never even made the playoffs. Davis has and at least got the second round. I know he hasn't carried teams on his back the way one might expect a player of his talent to, but his teams haven't under-performed either.I don't agree with you about Anthony Davis but it does amaze me that he escapes criticism for the most part. Cousins was a loser on loser teams. Why isn't Anthony Davis?
You put Anthony Davis on the Celtics next year and they either win the title or come damn close. Not only does that make the deal more than worth it, but it puts you in the position to call his bluff. He's really going to walk away from a max contract from a title winner/contender to be Lebron's running mate?Then he leaves for LA for nothing. That's what he and his agent are saying right now. Maybe it's a bluff. but I doubt it.
I remember people calling Cousins out for his lack of self control and supposed badness as a teammate. Who here ever called Cousins a loser because his teams underperformed? Pretty much everyone gets a pass for a losing record in Sacramento, for example. This is kind of a strawman imo.I don't agree with you about Anthony Davis but it does amaze me that he escapes criticism for the most part. Cousins was a loser on loser teams. Why isn't Anthony Davis?
Cosign.You guys are too smart for this bullshit.
Pels know theres is no reason to rush this trade. No trade will be made in the next few weeks.
Irving has stated on multiple occasions he wants to resign here, but hasnt yet because he makes more money doing so at the end of the season.
We also are pretty confident that the "Kyrie wants out" stuff is planted.
The Celtics are the best trading partner, even without Tatum involved. All the other stuff is noise.
Chill.