Try to ignore the potential rumored offers that the Patriots supposedly received all off season. After week 8 going into the bye, the Patriots have traded Jimmy to the 49ers for a second round pick.
Are you happy?
Are you happy?
I mean, how can you ignore that you had a backup QB for that time? It's like you bought a house for $500k in 2014 and then you sold it for $550k in 2018. You basically got paid to live there for 3 1/2 years. How is that not a good thing?As I mentioned in the other thread, if Jimmy had been an un-drafted player, then sure, this is a something-for-nothing deal and you hope Hoyer can hold the clipboard with zest. But it all makes the use of the pick in 14 seem like a waste if it only gets you the same pick in 18.
The fact that he ends the article with the Jets need to find their own Jimmy G instead of their own Tom Brady tells me all I need to know about the state of the Jets' franchise.Manish thinks Jets fans should be happy! And that means so is this Patriots fan!
Jets should be overjoyed after Bill Belichick makes huge blunder by trading away Jimmy Garoppolo:
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/jets-overjoyed-belichick-jimmy-garoppolo-blunder-article-1.3601505
Let me try to clean up the use of the word "incomplete". It feels as though there has to be another piece to this, a companion trade if you will. You're spot on in saying the Pats have to plan for today as well as tomorrow and I understand that JG's place in this organisation may never become what we thought it might be a couple of years ago. I get that you move chips when you can and try to sell as high as you possibly can, but it's all good until Brady gets hurt and there is now an undeniable void at back up QB. That's why I feel this deal is incomplete. I don't think BB looks solely to the future at the possible expense to the present, I don't think he leaves this glaring void unless there is something else in the works to improve the current roster as well.This trade was a slam-dunk for the Pats. A pick that is basically guaranteed to be 33-35 for a player that is not going to contribute in any meaningful way for the Patriots at any point in time except for a circumstance where Tom Brady is incapacitated for a very long period of time (as in into the 2018 season). JG was not likely leading the Pats through the playoffs to a SB victory this season. Sure, he could win you a few regular season games, but at the end of it all the Pats are very likely going to be the 1/2 seed and need to win one game at Foxboro, another either at home or away and then the SB regardless of whether JG wins a couple of those reg season games or not.
I don't get the "incomplete" bit. The Patriots need to plan for today as well as tomorrow, so it's not an either/or statement. If they were presented with some other offer that included a shorter-term asset that addressed an area of need, fine, but short of that there's no problem with using this likely-to-be-unused resource for the longer-term goals.
I want to wait to see how it all shakes out, but this isn't the same pick. The Pats routinely pick in the last 4 of each round (barring trades). This SF pick will be at the top of the round. That's a potential improvement of 28-30 picks. That's enormous.As I mentioned in the other thread, if Jimmy had been an un-drafted player, then sure, this is a something-for-nothing deal and you hope Hoyer can hold the clipboard with zest. But it all makes the use of the pick in 14 seem like a waste if it only gets you the same pick in 18.
Sure, just as soon as we start adding "I know shit compared to Dave Dombrowski, so fuck it" to Red Sox trade polls.This poll really needs a third option along the lines of "I know shit compared to BB, so fuck it"
It's crazy how many times the Pats have traded a backup QB, and drafted another guy who we all think might be the next starter, only to trade that guy too, because Brady is still kicking. With Brady at 40, they'll probably draft a QB in the next draft; it can't possibly happen again, can it? It would border surrealism if we traded another backup because 43 yr-old Brady is still great.This is basically the best possible outcome for using a pick on a backup QB. You get several years of good backup play including a few important wins in a superbowl season, and then at the last possible minute trade that guy - who barely got to showcase anything - for a high value pick in the next draft.
The Pats have been able to do that several times. I am struggling to think of other times it has happened.
The timing is odd because it leaves the Pats with no obvious backup at a time in Brady's career where history says he is likely to be more fragile and also likely to start a precipitous decline at some point soon. But it's hard to argue with the process otherwise.
The pick gave them legit backup play when they needed it and got cashed in for a high value in pick a future draft. Except for the idea that they could have had some godfather offer from the Browns that was never happening, this is excellent GMing.
This might be the best apples to oranges example in history.Sure, just as soon as we start adding "I know shit compared to Dave Dombrowski, so fuck it" to Red Sox trade polls.
We're talking about trades, aren't we?This might be the best apples to oranges example in history.
Right, I mean what if he shits the bed over the last two months of the season - it might scare the Niners away from signing him. We have no idea.Isn't there also the non-zero chance (stress on non-zero) that Garoppolo just ends up as an ok, but nothing great QB?
I get that he played 1 and 1/2 dominant games of football but he also had the best coaching staff and system on the planet along with a few years of practice with the greatest QB of all time.
Impossible? No. But it seems totally nonsensical. The Patriots are not in a position to give Jimmy G any game time. SF is. If they give him game time and find out he's almost certainly worth a round one pick to another team, why would they not just keep him as the franchise quarterback? They have a bunch of space to sign him, a serious need at the position, and will have already given up a second round pick as part of the deal. The marginal value seems crazy low for SF in the case that he performs well as a QB in 2017.edit: And what if San Francisco plays him for a few weeks this year, he looks good, and they turn around and franchise him then trade him for a higher pick? That's not impossible, right?
That's true, they have a pretty desperate need and won't play around if he looks good.Impossible? No. But it seems totally nonsensical. The Patriots are not in a position to give Jimmy G any game time. SF is. If they give him game time and find out he's almost certainly worth a round one pick to another team, why would they not just keep him as the franchise quarterback? They have a bunch of space to sign him, a serious need at the position, and will have already given up a second round pick as part of the deal. The marginal value seems crazy low for SF in the case that he performs well as a QB in 2017.
I was referring to your use of BB (in my post) being implicitly equivalent to DD (in yours).We're talking about trades, aren't we?
The tag could also be used on an expiring player that they acquire todayThat's true, they have a pretty desperate need and won't play around if he looks good.
All the circumstances seem to suggest that the Pats need the franchise tag for Butler, right?
Isn't "making the best of the situation" part of "maximizing an asset" and "doing what was best for the team?" Sometimes you play your cards perfectly and get a huge score and sometimes you get in a situation where the best play is to be smart and cut your losses. To me this is one of Belichick's underrated strengths, knowing when to take a pretty good deal and not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.Unlike other situations, this doesn't strike me as Belichick maximizing an asset or doing what was best for the team. This deal strikes me as Belichick admitting defeat and making the best of the situation.
Unless he is completely incompetent with money or just is flat out awful in his short audition, Jimmy will have more cash than he could ever spend in 6 months.I am a bit disappointed that there is currently no clear post-Brady plan, but I can’t be too disappointed. Jimmy was not going to sign an extension to sit while TB12 finishes his career. Jimmy might have two big contracts left before he declines. He needs to get paid and prove he’s worthy of an age 30 big money extension to set himself up for retirement.