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And the rest of the Vermaelen sale money is supposedly being offered for Adrien Rabiot of PSG, a promising 19-year-old midfielder. He is a tall, floppy-haired midfielder who would be projected as the eventual Arteta replacement. He seems too young for that role, and it'd be better to get someone 23 or so who is ready to battle for the job right away, ideally a physical, athletic type like Carvalho, which most people would like to see. On the other hand, Rabiot played 34 times for PSG last year, so he has more experience than most players his age. And he supposedly "has the potential to become one of Europe's top midfielders."
 
And he is cheap enough that if he comes, there still should be money left over for a big name acquisition near the deadline, if one should become available. 
Price is a big issue - Di Marzio actually says the offer is 'very rich' - and it's an issue because of articles like this: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2166306-is-arsenal-transfer-target-adrien-rabiot-perfect-for-arsene-wenger
 
I get the talent, but I'm not a big fan of those comparisons in terms of his attitude.
 

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I get the talent, but I'm not a big fan of those comparisons in terms of his attitude.
 
C'mon. Anytime you want to bring in a depth DM, you gotta love comparisons to Anelka's attitude and disposition. That'll work out just fine.
 

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#Arsenal team to play Besiktas: Szczesny, Debuchy, Chambers, Koscielny, Monreal, Arteta, Wilshere, Ramsey, Alexis, Cazorla, Giroud #BESvAFC
 
#Arsenal subs: Martinez, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Bellerin, Miquel, Campbell, Flamini, Rosicky #BESvAFC
 
This is a huge fixture but I still wish Wenger would do more squad rotation.  What does it take for Ox to get a start?  I imagine that, barring injuries, we'll see him and Campbell as second half subs.
 

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First half observations.
 
-Pitch is dogshit
-Giroud amazingly bad even by his standards.
-Santi playing LW in the middle of the park, giving us no width.
-Chambers shockingly good except for one big mistake at the end of the half.
-Sanchez lively but swarmed by defenders because everything is going down the right.
-Wilshere quite good.
-Ramsey quiet.
 

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The field looks particularly dreadful.  Arsenal keep trying to play this ticky tack type of game against tight marking, but the bumpy pitch seems to be aiding to their frustration in breaking Besiktas down. 
 

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At work what happened to Ramsey and was this an extension of something from earlier this half?
 
Just read that it was a second yellow for holding/infringement.
 

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I wouldn't say that was an entertaining game, all things considered I'll take it. Ox, really needs to be playing more. Alexis was good, if not impressive. Callum Chambers, is rapidly rising to binky level.
 

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He was the least of Arsenal's problems today
Yeah, honestly. Especially without Gibbs the entire Arsenal left side is a mess. Cazorla looks horrible.
 

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Yeah, I though Wilshere was actually pretty good tonight. I think Wenger was just happy to close up shop and go home 0-0, which isn't an awful scoreline.  No other way to explain the decision to keep Giroud on that long with Campbell on the bench.  Then when Ramsey got sent off it was just a matter of killing the match.
 
We were pretty shit overall but I think we'll smash them at the Emirates when we get to play on a real pitch.
 

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Yeah, honestly. Especially without Gibbs the entire Arsenal left side is a mess. Cazorla looks horrible.
 
Wenger's loyalty to Cazorla is more troubling to me than the Giroud situation.  At least with Giroud, I'm pretty convinced that Wenger doesn't really rate him that much and is hoping Sanogo wins his place or is planning for Sanchez to play up front once Walcott comes back.
 

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Santi and Giroud were as bad as professional footballers could possibly be today.

Horrific. Try-them-for-war-crimes level bad. They were worse than the STL County PD.
 

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Arteta doesn't look good. Just walked through the mixed zone wearing a protective boot, limping badly. Wenger says he "turned his ankle".
 
 
Time to get off your ass and buy a player Arsene.  Maybe this will be a blessing in disguise.
 
I wouldn't mind seeing Chambers get some run in the DM role with the BFG coming back, although I don't think a match at Goodison Park is really the time to do that.  I expect it will be Flamoney and I put the odds of him getting sent off about 2:1.
 

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Ummmmm....
 
https://twitter.com/nealcol/status/502548679996493825
 
Neal Collins ‏@nealcol
BREAKING: PSG confirm @Arsenal bid for Edinson Cavani has been accepted, personal terms next.
He might have fallen for a fake ITK tweet (sort of like Bowden) but he's standing by it...All in all it still seems unlikely (esp. considering Ibra's injury)...
 

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Thrilling comeback to draw 2-2 at Everton.  The team didn't play well until the last 10 minutes but that's life early in the season after a World Cup with low fitness levels, sluggish technique and injuries.
 
In related news, despite hiring Germany's American fitness coach Shad Forsythe, who brings quite the good reputation with him, Arsenal have now lost three players in three games: Gibbs against Palace, Arteta at Besiktas, and now Giroud at Everton.  All three expected to be out a minimum of two weeks, so likely not back until after the first international break.
 
Add in Koscielny, who picked up a tweak against Palace as well and didn't start today's game, along with Theo, who is still recovering from his injury at Tottenham last January, and Arsenal might only start 6 of our nominal best-11 for the return leg against Besiktas on Wednesday.  You know, the game where many millions of pounds of Champions League money is at stake.
 

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I think I'll pass.
 
Incredible result given how poor Arsenal played. I told my friend on Friday night that I honestly wouldn't mind giving up points against Everton if it meant a full performance and win against Besiktas. Obviously, the Besiktas game is everything, not just for the Champions League, but also for getting in a couple more impactful players. 
 
I don't know what to harbor on from that game. It was horrifying and embarrassing to watch them get played off the pitch like they did in the first half. There was some nice passing in the build up, but there was no killer ball, great runs, and obviously, no end product. If you sit back like you did on the first goal, you better mark tight. Özil should have stayed with Coleman, but asking Özil to that in the first place is not very smart. It's not his game. The second goal was clearly offsides, but it was a pretty clean break and just showed how exposed or frail the team can be.
 
At the same time, you come back from 2-0 down. What fight, right? It is a positive sign that the team can go down and come back. It's just something that I don't want to see every game. Ramsey scores again, despite playing pretty piss poor. The guy must have stuck a horseshoe up his bottom or something. Giroud gets a headed goal after being vilified following the Besiktas game. I'm sure we'll see the other side of that roller coaster this week.
 
Wednesday.
 

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I was pretty encouraged overall. We weren't good in the first half but we didn't get played off the pitch by any means, nothing like the debacles of last year. We battled in midfield, we were fast, and out movement seemed OK. We just didn't look sharp at all with the ball, especially in the final third, and some of the understanding between players still seemed lacking. The first goal was a breakdown on multiple levels but the second was just a bullshit series of events.

Our Germans looked one step behind, which is to be expected.

I don't mind the midfield formation for tactical purposes, especially when we need more vigor in midfield at the start of tough away fixtures. I think the key however is that once the match settles, the pressing falls off, and more space begins to open up, Ozil and Wilshere need to switch back. A fit Ozil is who we want exploiting that space and pulling the strings from the center at that point in a match. I don't think we had a fit Ozil on Saturday though.

Kudos to Santi and Giroud, who I've been criticizing a lot. I wasn't that impressed with Santi otherwise but his ball to Ramsey was superb. Giroud worked hard and his introduction changed the match tactically.

Overall, I think this squad just really needs the same 13-14 top guys to get a long run of games together and develop more cohesion and understanding. Injuries and turnover have really limited us in that respect the last couple years.
 

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Le Equipe reporting that Poldinger is off to Wolfsburg

Upsetting if true. Don't think we're in a position to sell guys who can play striker.
 

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Le Equipe reporting that Poldinger is off to Wolfsburg

Upsetting if true. Don't think we're in a position to sell guys who can play striker.
 
Poldi is buried so deep on our squad that whether or not he can play striker (debatable IMO) seems besides the point.  For better or for worse, Wenger clearly thinks that he can't play CF and doesn't really rate him as wide player who can't contribute to build up.  He already struggled for minutes last spring and to that squad we've added Sanchez, Campbell, and Walcott.  The realistic choices are to sell him or to keep him as a great teammate who makes big wages and never plays.  I have nothing but good feelings toward him but it seems best for everybody if he moves on, especially if Wolsfburg are willing to pay 9-10M pounds as some reports claim (seems a little dubious to me, given that they'd have to pay his largeish wages as well).
 
Selling Poldi also opens up another non-HG spot on our Champions League roster if we get past Besiktas (knock on wood).  Hopefully we still plan to bring in multiple additional players, whether DM, CB, or CF, and that spot will be necessary if none of the new players are HG.
 

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I was pretty encouraged overall. We weren't good in the first half but we didn't get played off the pitch by any means, nothing like the debacles of last year. We battled in midfield, we were fast, and out movement seemed OK. We just didn't look sharp at all with the ball, especially in the final third, and some of the understanding between players still seemed lacking. The first goal was a breakdown on multiple levels but the second was just a bullshit series of events.

Our Germans looked one step behind, which is to be expected.

I don't mind the midfield formation for tactical purposes, especially when we need more vigor in midfield at the start of tough away fixtures. I think the key however is that once the match settles, the pressing falls off, and more space begins to open up, Ozil and Wilshere need to switch back. A fit Ozil is who we want exploiting that space and pulling the strings from the center at that point in a match. I don't think we had a fit Ozil on Saturday though.

Kudos to Santi and Giroud, who I've been criticizing a lot. I wasn't that impressed with Santi otherwise but his ball to Ramsey was superb. Giroud worked hard and his introduction changed the match tactically.

Overall, I think this squad just really needs the same 13-14 top guys to get a long run of games together and develop more cohesion and understanding. Injuries and turnover have really limited us in that respect the last couple years.
May be played off the pitch was poor phrasing. I thought that we were very much out of our game. There was nothing resembling an end product in the attacking area. The passing was sloppy at times and the ball was given away cheaply. The game looked a lot like the Liverpool or Chelsea games at times where the team was completely unsettled and were conceding very healthy chances for Everton. Regardless, watching with a bar full of Arsenal fans probably influences how bad or good they played. 
 
I think an example of something that was frustrating was just the fact that they're not playing as a unit. Sanchez is up there working his tail off pressuring the D and there is acres of space between him and the midfield, totally defeating the purpose of having a player like him up there. It's things like that that were worrying about that game.
 
Regardless, two or three players are probably needed at a minimum and I'm not sure who will be brought in if anyone at all. Hopefully, Arsene and Dick Law can get some magic done.
 

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Word on Giroud is broken foot. Seems reasonable that'd take 3 months to heal from.
 
Time to go find a striker, Arsene. Preferably one better than Giroud in the first place.
 

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I agree with sach.  Arsenal got thoroughly outplayed and outmaneuvered tactically in the first half.  They had no attacking width at all, so they were completely reliant on their fullbacks for width.  Martinez countered by playing Mirallas and Lukaku as wide fowards pressed up high, which pinned Arsenal's fullbacks back.  As a result, Everton's backline could stay very narrow when out of possession.  Arsenal's strategy seems to have been to have Sanchez drag the CBs around and then play through balls to midfield runners coming from deep, but because Everton's defense was so narrow there were no gaps to play those balls, and when they tried them the Everton defense cut them out without much trouble.  In the first half Arsenal created no real chances, had no attempts on target, and all five of their shots were blasts from distance by Ox.
 
They were even worse without the ball.  Since there were no wingers in the side, and both of the nominally wide midfielders (Ozil and Ox) were always trying to come inside, there was no one assigned to track Everton's fullbacks.  Both Coleman and Baines got forward repeatedly and created overloads on the wing.  The midfield couldn't decide whether to press; a couple players would press while the others would sit back, and Everton would calmly form triangles and pass around them.  Despite having a numerical advantage in midfield, no one was tracking Barry; he was 33/36 in passing in the first half and dictated the flow.  All of this came together for the first goal, when from a free kick a Mirallas run occupied the fullback and opened up space for Baines on the wing, who then played a central ball to an unmarked Barry, who crossed to the opposite side to the unmarked Coleman bombing in.
 
Everton should have created even more chances, but Mirallas, while repeatedly getting into good positions, was poor on the ball (he had 6 take ons in the first half and lost the ball on all of them), and Chambers made a number of excellent last-ditch tackles and interceptions.  The second goal was offside and shouldn't have stood but 2-0 wasn't an entirely unfair scoreline, Everton were the consistently more dangerous side.
 
In the second half, Everton tired and got more conservative playing with the lead.  The fullbacks didn't get forward as much, and Mirallas and Lukaku ran out of gas and their threat declined.  This, plus a greater agressiveness when playing from behind, allowed Arsenal's fullbacks to get forward, and it was only once they had width from the fullbacks that Arsenal looked at all threatening.  Both Arsenal goals came from crosses from the left side in which Monreal's presence was critical; one was his cross, in the other his run helped create the space for Cazorla's cross.
 
The funny thing about the tactical battle is that Martinez played exactly the same way, with Lukaku wide instead of central to pin the fullback back, Naismith as a false 9, and the fullbacks getting forward to create wide overloads, in the game last Spring, to similarly successful effect.  In that game, it was a surprise, since Everton hadn't played that way before. But Wenger should have been more prepared this time around.  
 

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Did Giroud score that goal on a broken foot or did he injure it in extra time? That is pretty amazing if he did, one tough Frenchman indeed. 
 

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Bring me the head of Edison Cavani, or at the very least Remy Loc. Thank god we didn't go after Balotelli or Lukaku.
 

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Did Giroud score that goal on a broken foot or did he injure it in extra time? That is pretty amazing if he did, one tough Frenchman indeed. 
 
No, he hurt it afterward, on almost the last kick of the match.  He actually got a ball kicked into his leg and appeared to hurt it that way.
 
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I agree with sach.  Arsenal got thoroughly outplayed and outmaneuvered tactically in the first half.  They had no attacking width at all, so they were completely reliant on their fullbacks for width.  Martinez countered by playing Mirallas and Lukaku as wide fowards pressed up high, which pinned Arsenal's fullbacks back.  As a result, Everton's backline could stay very narrow when out of possession.  Arsenal's strategy seems to have been to have Sanchez drag the CBs around and then play through balls to midfield runners coming from deep, but because Everton's defense was so narrow there were no gaps to play those balls, and when they tried them the Everton defense cut them out without much trouble.  In the first half Arsenal created no real chances, had no attempts on target, and all five of their shots were blasts from distance by Ox.
 
They were even worse without the ball.  Since there were no wingers in the side, and both of the nominally wide midfielders (Ozil and Ox) were always trying to come inside, there was no one assigned to track Everton's fullbacks.  Both Coleman and Baines got forward repeatedly and created overloads on the wing.  The midfield couldn't decide whether to press; a couple players would press while the others would sit back, and Everton would calmly form triangles and pass around them.  Despite having a numerical advantage in midfield, no one was tracking Barry; he was 33/36 in passing in the first half and dictated the flow.  All of this came together for the first goal, when from a free kick a Mirallas run occupied the fullback and opened up space for Baines on the wing, who then played a central ball to an unmarked Barry, who crossed to the opposite side to the unmarked Coleman bombing in.
 
Everton should have created even more chances, but Mirallas, while repeatedly getting into good positions, was poor on the ball (he had 6 take ons in the first half and lost the ball on all of them), and Chambers made a number of excellent last-ditch tackles and interceptions.  The second goal was offside and shouldn't have stood but 2-0 wasn't an entirely unfair scoreline, Everton were the consistently more dangerous side.
 
In the second half, Everton tired and got more conservative playing with the lead.  The fullbacks didn't get forward as much, and Mirallas and Lukaku ran out of gas and their threat declined.  This, plus a greater agressiveness when playing from behind, allowed Arsenal's fullbacks to get forward, and it was only once they had width from the fullbacks that Arsenal looked at all threatening.  Both Arsenal goals came from crosses from the left side in which Monreal's presence was critical; one was his cross, in the other his run helped create the space for Cazorla's cross.
 
The funny thing about the tactical battle is that Martinez played exactly the same way, with Lukaku wide instead of central to pin the fullback back, Naismith as a false 9, and the fullbacks getting forward to create wide overloads, in the game last Spring, to similarly successful effect.  In that game, it was a surprise, since Everton hadn't played that way before. But Wenger should have been more prepared this time around.  
 
I think the tactical story is basically right but that you greatly exaggerate the disparity in chances and overall influence in the match that the tactics produced during the first half.  Up until the rather farcical second goal, Everton had two good chances during the first half and almost nothing else.  They weren't that active in the attacking third and didn't have much more of the ball in general (I don't understand the Mirallas take on point since most were not in dangerous areas).  Arsenal had one decent chance when Ox had a very good look from the edge of the 18 on a ball played back from the touchline and then not much else.  Arsenal were poor and Everton had the better of the play but it was nothing like previous big away matches when Arsenal got blitzed off the field. 
 

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Word on Giroud is broken foot. Seems reasonable that'd take 3 months to heal from.
 
Time to go find a striker, Arsene. Preferably one better than Giroud in the first place.
 
The comments from Wenger in today's press conference sounded ominous - seeing a specialist today, then club will announce how long Giroud will be out, etc.  Rumors going around that he could be out until January but who knows.
 
Option #1 for me is to splash the cash and sign a great striker.  But if that's not possible - and I sort of suspect it is not given how much time is left in the transfer window and the wage demands of the top strikers who might be available - I'd rather spend significant money on a really quality DM like Carvalho and roll the dice with Sanogoals, Campbell, and Alexis (or Theo) up front for a few months than shift our resources to panic buy another mediocre striker.
 
There could be a silver lining in all this.  We'll probably find out a lot about Sanogo and Campbell, for better or for worse.
 

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The comments from Wenger in today's press conference sounded ominous - seeing a specialist today, then club will announce how long Giroud will be out, etc.  Rumors going around that he could be out until January but who knows.
 
Option #1 for me is to splash the cash and sign a great striker.  But if that's not possible - and I sort of suspect it is not given how much time is left in the transfer window and the wage demands of the top strikers who might be available - I'd rather spend significant money on a really quality DM like Carvalho and roll the dice with Sanogoals, Campbell, and Alexis (or Theo) up front for a few months than shift our resources to panic buy another mediocre striker.
 
There could be a silver lining in all this.  We'll probably find out a lot about Sanogo and Campbell, for better or for worse.
 
I think this is madness.  I know your lot seem to love Sanogo, but he seems incredibly raw and has very little chance of bringing it every week in the league.  The rest of the squad is too talented to play without a legitimate option up front.  Giroud was at least something like a legitimate option, even if he wasn't the one the team needed all the time.  I have no idea how you let Balotelli go to Liverpool at that fee given this injury.
 

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I think this is madness.  I know your lot seem to love Sanogo, but he seems incredibly raw and has very little chance of bringing it every week in the league.  The rest of the squad is too talented to play without a legitimate option up front.  Giroud was at least something like a legitimate option, even if he wasn't the one the team needed all the time.  I have no idea how you let Balotelli go to Liverpool at that fee given this injury.
 
Balotelli went to Liverpool before Giroud's injury so that doesn't really factor into the equation (although I was personally in favor of signing him).
 
I don't think many Arsenal fans at all are happy about the prospect of Sanogo starting every week.  But that's not our only option - we also could play Campbell or Alexis at CF or play more of a 4-4-2 with both of them (or one of them and Podolski if he stays, or Walcott when he returns).  A lot of people were hoping that Wenger would go in that direction anyway.
 
I don't think its a good situation at all.  But the reality is that Cavani, Falcao, Benzema, etc aren't walking through that door so the question is really whether somebody like Remy (or a comparable player who could be brought in at this point) meaningfully improves the squad, at least enough to justify a decent transfer fee, wages in the 90-100K per week territory, and then having them around on a 4-5 year deal when you really only need them for 3-4 months.  I'm not so sure about all that. 
 

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Remy has averaged a goal every other game for some pretty mediocre clubs (sorry, Newcastle fans, but I've read your thread and I know you agree).  I think he's better than Giroud right now and he's pretty cheap for the production.  I'd get him before the deadline.
 

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Remy has averaged a goal every other game for some pretty mediocre clubs (sorry, Newcastle fans, but I've read your thread and I know you agree).  I think he's better than Giroud right now and he's pretty cheap for the production.  I'd get him before the deadline.
 

 
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