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mt8thsw9th

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HomeRunBaker said:
What about him? His throwing problems aren't remotely close to being grouped with those who lost their careers due to a mental block of throwing a baseball. Who was the catcher that couldn't throw the ball back to the pitcher? He's another one whose career ended due to "Steve Blass Disease."
 
I may be pinked, but as I mentioned upthread, Daniel Bard is someone who overcame the inability to throw strikes.
 
2007: 75 IP, 78 BB, 8 HBP, 27 wild pitches
 
I'm not saying he's likely to overcome it once again, but this isn't the first time in his pro career that he's lost the ability to throw strikes.
 

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mauidano said:
Welcome to  the North Side of Chicago  Knoxville, Des Moines and Mesa Mr. Bard.
 
Theo and Cubbies claim Daniel...no surprise.  Best wishes to all.
 
Would I be thought badly of if I said; "Fixed that for you"?
 

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Reverend said:
 
This is doubtful, as said functionality disappeared ages ago.
You can't hide people anymore? If you can YOU'VE MADE THE LIST!!1

That said, my poor posting probably long predates any removing of such functionality.
 

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mt8thsw9th said:
You can't hide people anymore? If you can YOU'VE MADE THE LIST!!1

That said, my poor posting probably long predates any removing of such functionality.
 
You can, it's just not pink.
 
I have this little fantasy that four years from now Daniel Bard is closing games in the World Series for the Cubs. 
 

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Rasputin said:
I have this little fantasy that four years from now Daniel Bard is closing games in the World Series for the Cubs. 
 
As long as it is against the Red Sox, I'm right there with you.
 

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Rasputin said:
 
You can, it's just not pink.
 
 
Alright, my confusion stemmed from the fact that "pinked" referred to simply hiding people, much like picking up someone at a bar no longer means you're physically picking up a woman and carrying her home like it meant in the 1950s or in the South.
 

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mt8thsw9th said:
 
I may be pinked, but as I mentioned upthread, Daniel Bard is someone who overcame the inability to throw strikes.
 
2007: 75 IP, 78 BB, 8 HBP, 27 wild pitches
 
I'm not saying he's likely to overcome it once again, but this isn't the first time in his pro career that he's lost the ability to throw strikes.
 
Yeah, but he still had the velocity back then. Now...
 

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Yeah, but he still had the velocity back then. Now...
That may not be true. I vaguely remember Gammons writing that his fastball had dropped into the low 90s at that point as well.

On the other side, this loss of control is far more egregious than what he experienced then. I am surprised the Cubs were willing to pay a couple hundred grand and a 40 man slot for the priviledge of getting him now, rather than signing him to a minor league free agent contract in the offseason.
 

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Sorry for the bump but Gammons tweeted this early in the morning. Seems it was NOT a mental issue.

“@pgammo: @pgammo And after Thoracic Outlet Surgery to restore feel in his hands, doctors believe Daniel Bard's problem was physical more than mental”
https://twitter.com/pgammo/status/426305648075087872
 

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How was that not caught by ANY team doctor, not just the Sox? That was the same problem that Salty had when he started having trouble throwing guys out. 
 

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MakMan44 said:
How was that not caught by ANY team doctor, not just the Sox? That was the same problem that Salty had when he started having trouble throwing guys out. 
 
Presumably Bard would have had to have complained about numbness?  I thought Bard kept saying over and over that he felt 100%.  
 

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Rovin Romine said:
 
Presumably Bard would have had to have complained about numbness?  I thought Bard kept saying over and over that he felt 100%.  
There's something more here then. I don't personally know him but I seriously do not believe that Bard is stupid enough not to tell a doctor that he has no feeling (or very little feeling) in his hands. 
 
EDIT: BP saying basically the same thing. 
 

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MakMan44 said:
There's something more here then. I don't personally know him but I seriously do not believe that Bard is stupid enough not to tell a doctor that he has no feeling (or very little feeling) in his hands. 
 
EDIT: BP saying basically the same thing. 
 
I don't think it had to be anything as obvious as his right hand going numb - just a gradual decrease in sensitivity in his fingers over the course of a year could be something he wouldn't even have been aware of. Literally "losing his feel for pitching"
 
I mean, this is a a pitcher's bread and butter - it probably doesn't take that much of a decease in order for it's effects to become evident.
 

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Normally I'd agree but TOS starts off by a tingling in your arms and hands because of a pinched nerve. I just don't see how this is something he could have just missed or said nothing about. 
 

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MakMan44 said:
Normally I'd agree but TOS starts off by a tingling in your arms and hands because of a pinched nerve. I just don't see how this is something he could have just missed or said nothing about. 
 
Ignore my previous comment then. Who knows what goes on in an elite athlete's mind when they encounter weird physical sensations. For some, there may be too much of the football mentality where you just play through it. 
 
Besides, we don't know when this started - could be just last year and be completely unrelated to the drastic decline in his stuff dating from late 2011. 
 

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I had always assumed the news would be of a rotator cuff or elbow ligament, so he comes out ahead of the game here.  Wonder if he'll make it back?
 

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Normally I'd agree but TOS starts off by a tingling in your arms and hands because of a pinched nerve. I just don't see how this is something he could have just missed or said nothing about. 
 
Interesting story here
 
http://www.gammonsdaily.com/peter-gammons-daniel-bard-gets-fresh-start-after-surgery/
 


 
When he was back in the minors trying to right what was wrong last spring, one day he got a text from Mike Reinold, the shoulder expert who had overseen much of the Red Sox physical program. He suggested that there had been evidence that there may have been some deterioration in 2011 that could be related to Thoracic Outlet Syndrome. In other conversations,  Reinold said that had been evidence of deterioration that affected the left shoulders and hence deliveries of Bard, Beckett and Jon Papelbon, but it was slight.
 
The correspondence was unusual, because Reinold had been replaced by the Red Sox and has been working with Eric Cressey, among others, but he never stopped caring about players with whom he had built a relationship.
 
In Arizona last spring, Beckett confided that before he was traded to the Dodgers on Aug. 25, 2012, he had almost no feel in his pitching hand. Bard did not have feel problems to that extent, but does remember some issues with his shoulder and the way he gripped the ball. .........
 
So when Bard came home from Puerto Rico, very discouraged, Milchin had him fly to Boston to meet with Reinold. He then went to see TOS specialists, including Dr. Pearl. They thought he should have the surgery. “Dr. Pearl thinks more pitchers get affected by this than was previously realized,” says Bard. “He said there are probably more vascular problems that had been addressed in the past. There’s so much wear, so much that goes into pitching. I did remember this—that by late August in 2011, I felt tired, and didn’t know why. There was no numbness, but my velocity was down, which I couldn’t understand. I was coming off a stretch in which I thought I pitched the best I’d ever pitched.”
  
 

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Beckett's an idiot but that was interesting, thanks for posting it. 
 

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LTTP, but this thread is incomplete without this:
 

 
I don't know where this guy went, but I'll always miss him.  All the best, Daniel Bard.
 
I'm glad this thread was bumped if for no other reason than getting to see this pitch again. I have a terrible memory, but I still remember watching that AB and, after that pitch, my jaw hitting the floor. I think it was broadcast nationally because I want to say I was watching on the television - not MLB.tv.
 

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Well, I figured Bard news would be better in the Bard-specific thread.
Don't worry, Lose is on a tear this week, making sure people post in the very correct specific threads.

The board will be better for it.
 
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