A guy like Smoltz watching this game (and commentating it) has to be sick to his stomach to see a starter throwing like Snell was pulled when he was.
Buck and Smoltz cited his fall off in ERA after the fourth. There is a statistical basis for the move but everything else screamed to keep him in.Snell was pitching just as well in Game 2 and he fell off a cliff super quickly in the fifth. He wasn’t going to face Mookie with a man on base. The mistake is using Anderson. He was incredible all year but has not been good in the playoffs. They did not adjust away from him being their high leverage ace quickly enough.
What else is there other than data??Buck and Smoltz cited his fall off in ERA after the fourth. There is a statistical basis for the move but everything else screamed to keep him in.
The problem is the “analytics” would have shown you that Mookie can’t hit LHP and is worse the third time thru the order, so you’re doing the hitter a favor by bringing someone else in from a metrics standpointI get pulling Snell - analytics, third time through the order etc., - the issue is using Anderson. You can’t use him. What analytics justify using him in that spot? You go to Castillo or Fairbanks.
I assume the choice of replacement is all Cash, but who knows.I get pulling Snell - analytics, third time through the order etc., - the issue is using Anderson. You can’t use him. What analytics justify using him in that spot? You go to Castillo or Fairbanks.
What's the sample size on the whole "third time through the order" though? In Snell's case it's 23 ABs this year.I get pulling Snell - analytics, third time through the order etc., - the issue is using Anderson. You can’t use him. What analytics justify using him in that spot? You go to Castillo or Fairbanks.
There has to be more data than that.What's the sample size on the whole "third time through the order" though? In Snell's case it's 23 ABs this year.
Bob Gibson would have punched Cash right in the mouth. Those days are long gone.Late to the Snell wake-remember when Luis Tiant threw like 170 pitches in a complete game win in G4 '75 WS?
Never see that again.
analytics don't show that at all though unless you're valuing 55 abs over his entire career where he hits the same vs both sides of the plateThe problem is the “analytics” would have shown you that Mookie can’t hit LHP and is worse the third time thru the order, so you’re doing the hitter a favor by bringing someone else in from a metrics standpoint
For Snell? Or can we add up a bunch of different pitcher's small samples? If you want to do that you have to convince me that doing that makes more sense than an individual's numbers.There has to be more data than that.
Well, you got a couple of words rightI mean this is a friable offense. As Grady little saw in 2003.
You are the manager, you can override the fucking computer. You have instincts, a computer does not.
if the computer told you to jump off a cliff you wouldn’t do it. Same here.
That was my question, too. Why Anderson, of all people?Blake Snell turns into a pumpkin deep into games. He wasn’t going much further no matter what. The Rays have a great pen. I have no issue with the quick hook. Nick Anderson was a bad choice and then he fucking blew it, esp with the wild pitch.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOW_kPzY_JYif the computer told you to jump off a cliff you wouldn’t do it. Same here.
And the 1R is semi-bogus"Blake Snell's final line: 5.1 IP, 9 SO, 2 H, 0 BB, 1 R His Game Score of 69 is the best in #WorldSeries history by a pitcher who didn't reach 6 IP " - Baseball Reference
For Betts, he's had 42 PA in the "3rd time facing a SP" category in 2020.What's the sample size on the whole "third time through the order" though? In Snell's case it's 23 ABs this year.
I don't think I can. Just saying TB must be relying on something more than 23ABs.For Snell? Or can we add up a bunch of different pitcher's small samples? If you want to do that you have to convince me that doing that makes more sense than an individual's numbers.
Then you need new analytics if they tell you to pull SnellI get pulling Snell - analytics, third time through the order etc., - the issue is using Anderson. You can’t use him. What analytics justify using him in that spot? You go to Castillo or Fairbanks.
Well, I've read that he's getting fired.I don't think I can. Just saying TB must be relying on something more than 23ABs.
Or maybe cash choked.
They’re valuing 23 innings or whatever for Snell, what’s the difference?analytics don't show that at all though unless you're valuing 55 abs over his entire career where he hits the same vs both sides of the plate
What if they win tonight and snell gets the save in game 7?Well, I've read that he's getting fired.
Game 7???? ... HAWhat if they win tonight and snell gets the save in game 7?
This gamethread is floundering.Removing Pollock seems fishy.
Game 7????? ... HAHow, if at all, does pulling Snell when he got pulled negatively affect the odds of the Rays winning Game 7? That has to be factored into the decision, too.
Very crappie indeed.This gamethread is floundering.