Tobias was drafted in the 31st round by the Nationals in 2011 when he was coming out of a North Carolina high school, but went on to Florida, where he was named to the SEC All-Freshman team the next year. He battled injuries and wasn’t as consistent in the next two seasons, going undrafted last year. He’s bounced back in 2015 and has become one of the best seniors in the country. Tobias has returned to switch-hitting this season to great success. He led the Gators in several offensive categories in the regular season, including batting average (.366) and OPS (1.004). He has a contact-oriented approach and makes the most of his average speed. Tobias isn’t the smoothest defender at third base, but has gotten the job done and nearly went the whole season without making an error. He’s moved around the infield some during his career and provides good versatility. His best other spot is second base and he has some similarities to Josh Harrison. Tobias doesn’t have the loudest tools, but he’ll provide a team good value in this year’s draft as an offensive infielder.
He wasn't worth shit on the market without picking up more than half the salary.Red Sox must have really, really wanted to dump that $13m, I guess. I thought they would have been able to do better.
Maybe you'd have to eat half the contract, but it stings not getting something to replenish the system from the SP glut.
This is harsh. The guys was the 42nd overall pick in his draft class, and he gave the Sox 81 wins and a 109 ERA+ in his time here, not to mention 2 WS rings (one of which he played a huge part in by pitching while injured). I know the sky was supposed to be the limit, blah blah blah, but the return on the Buchholz pick was quite good.so much talent/so many issues
adios Clay.
and then at that point the question is "what sort of prospects do we get for our 6.5M. answer was probably "one that's not worth it."He wasn't worth shit on the market without picking up more than half the salary.
Buchholz returned 14.6 fWAR and $101m in value (by FG). Sox paid him ~$60m. Has always been a good team player. Will never understand the angst...This is harsh. The guys was the 42nd overall pick in his draft class, and he gave the Sox 81 wins and a 109 ERA+ in his time here, not to mention 2 WS rings (one of which he played a huge part in by pitching while injured). I know the sky was supposed to be the limit, blah blah blah, but the return on the Buchholz pick was quite good.
Then not sure why this move had to be made *right now* unless A) you are freeing salary up to run after EE or B) Buchholz was like "c'mon guys, do me a solid and just get me out of here before ST so I'm not in limbo."He wasn't worth shit on the market without picking up more than half the salary.
I saw DD interviewed recently, and he seemed to say that its *harder* to move guys in ST; that waiting for an injury (to your team or another) or other type of emergency need is a fool's errand.Then not sure why this move had to be made *right now* unless A) you are freeing salary up to run after EE or B) Buchholz was like "c'mon guys, do me a solid and just get me out of here before ST so I'm not in limbo."
A was my first thought, as well. I don't see why they did this now unless they're looking to use that money elsewhere.Then not sure why this move had to be made *right now* unless A) you are freeing salary up to run after EE or B) Buchholz was like "c'mon guys, do me a solid and just get me out of here before ST so I'm not in limbo."
Like, if he's totally worthless, at least get to ST and make sure someone's arm doesn't fall up or maybe another team gets decimated...
Did picking it up actually cost them anything? It did get them a warm body in return, which they dont get if they just let him go.Can we all agree now that in hindsight it wasn't worth picking up his option? I understand at the time we didn't know Sale was happening, but Clay doesn't have a whole lot of value.
How was it not worth it? The Phillies are now paying for him and they got an asset they wouldn't have otherwise gotten if they declined the option. It may not be a great asset but it's something.Can we all agree now that in hindsight it wasn't worth picking up his option? I understand at the time we didn't know Sale was happening, but Clay doesn't have a whole lot of value.
The best might be C) Extend one of Betts/BogaertsThen not sure why this move had to be made *right now* unless A) you are freeing salary up to run after EE or B) Buchholz was like "c'mon guys, do me a solid and just get me out of here before ST so I'm not in limbo."
What difference does it make now? It cost the Red Sox exactly ZERO dollars to pick up the option and trade him (where as declining would have cost them $500K). Maybe Tobias turns out to be of value someday...who knows.Can we all agree now that in hindsight it wasn't worth picking up his option? I understand at the time we didn't know Sale was happening, but Clay doesn't have a whole lot of value.
I was going to specifically thank him for his '13 WS 4+ inning start. while he was hurt. I really wanted to root for the guy, but he seemed to always get in his own way, with injuries/issues real or imagined. I wish him no ill-will, and hope he does well in Philly. it was time.This is harsh. The guys was the 42nd overall pick in his draft class, and he gave the Sox 81 wins and a 109 ERA+ in his time here, not to mention 2 WS rings (one of which he played a huge part in by pitching while injured). I know the sky was supposed to be the limit, blah blah blah, but the return on the Buchholz pick was quite good.
Of course not. That's stupid.Can we all agree now that in hindsight it wasn't worth picking up his option? I understand at the time we didn't know Sale was happening, but Clay doesn't have a whole lot of value.
What are you going to post about now that this is done and what was the harm in picking up the option?Can we all agree now that in hindsight it wasn't worth picking up his option? I understand at the time we didn't know Sale was happening, but Clay doesn't have a whole lot of value.
I'll still complain about the bullpen.What are you going to post about now that this is done and what was the harm in picking up the option?
I think they should have held on to him and seen if they could get a bit more but they got something for him.
I think it was partly because the potential was there for him to be an elite pitcher, and partly because he pitched SO slowly, especially with guys on base, he was brutal to watch.Buchholz returned 14.6 fWAR and $101m in value (by FG). Sox paid him ~$60m. Has always been a good team player. Will never understand the angst...
Like an analrapist?Tobias probably maxes out as a utility player.