Carter Hart is taking an indefinite leave of absense from the Flyers.
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Him along with Dillon Dube a couple days ago is lending credence to the belief that something is gonna drop on the 2018 WJC team.Carter Hart is taking an indefinite leave of absense from the Flyers.
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And it's going to be very very bad news.Him along with Dillon Dube a couple days ago is lending credence to the belief that something is gonna drop on the 2018 WJC team.
And there it is.And it's going to be very very bad news.
Yup...And it's going to be very very bad news.
IIRC it allegedly took place after the gala. The reports were: one member of the team met a Jane Doe at a bar. She got extremely inebriated, and he brought her back to his hotel room. They began to engage in sexual activity, and then he went and got 8 more members of the team, who all engaged in sexual assault of her while she was inebriated and was unable to give consent.For background my understanding, and I haven't fully been on top of the story, is a sexual assault of a women occured at a gala honoring the 2018 Canadian WJC team that won the gold.
Hockey Canada also covered this thing up and there has been significant fallout on that side since the incident though I don't know all specifics.
Awful story all around.
What would the connection be? The sexual assault story gets buried in the news cycle by another possible expansion team?And 30 minutes later it leaks that Utah is asking for the NHL to open expansion procedures for a team. The timing of this getting out can't be coincidental.
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I think that's the implication, but without any corroborating info, I didn't want to speculate.Dillon Dube and Carter Hart both took indefinite leaves the past few days so it would certainly seem that they are included with Formenton.
Both on that 2018 roster. Man, oh man.
If this is accurate, Canada should have to miss the next cycle of international competitions.And Hockey Canada covered it up and it came out that the organization had a slush fund they had on hand to pay out and settle sexual assault cases.
It's accurate. The victim filed a civil suit in 2022 that Hockey Canada settled and that triggered the closer look and the slush fund was made public.If this is accurate, Canada should have to miss the next cycle of international competitions.
Probably new evidence surfaced. I wonder if one of these kids was dumb enough to get it on tape.I read the Athletic story. The boys tried to get an 18 year old to go back to the hotel with them but she wisely declined. So they found someone else. It's a grim read. I wonder what prompted the London police to reopen the investigation.
I agree with the sentiment - but this is going to be a terrible look for the Flames if he is one of the five, and Calgary couched this in a way to blame “mental health” and not “being a rapist.”Also, circling back, we should probably stop the speculation on Dillon Dube. He was part of the team, but the Flames statement regarding his leave is very different than Hart and Formenton's. Hart and Formenton are taking LOA for personal reasons. The statement the Flames put out states Dube's LOA is due to mental health issues and that is under the care of professionals.
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Must be this, from TSN:Probably new evidence surfaced. I wonder if one of these kids was dumb enough to get it on tape.
The teams can terminate the contract, like what Chicago did with Corey Perry earlier this season. That would make the players FA's and the PA would likely file a grievance, like they did with Evander Kane's SJ termination and are likely to do with Perry's termination.Anyone know what the rules are for the teams regarding these guys? Does the CBA allow for you to just release a guy because they got arrested?
I'd really like for the Devils to dump both of these cretins.
If the player invokes mental illness when taking leave, is it really the team’s place to make any speculative commentary beyond that?I agree with the sentiment - but this is going to be a terrible look for the Flames if he is one of the five, and Calgary couched this in a way to blame “mental health” and not “being a rapist.”
Sure - but the team saying he’s leaving the team because of a “mental health issue” and not because “he’s under invitation for committing the gang rape of a young woman” is an excuse that is attempting to shift the narrative off of the players actions and instead onto something that millions of people actually suffer with who don’t gang rape young women. Just say “he’s taking a leave of absence” if you don’t want to get too specific.If the player invokes mental illness when taking leave, is it really the team’s place to make any speculative commentary beyond that?
And being one of those five and experiencing mental health issues are hardly mutually exclusive - suicide risk could definitely be an issue.
I think it’s a place where the team should say as little as possible while following protocol. Did a PR guy (and executives who approved this) make a poor choice by adding the part about mental illness? Maybe so, or maybe protocol is that you give the reason presented by the player, no more, no less. We really don't know from our vantage point.Just say “he’s taking a leave of absence” if you don’t want to get too specific….
….And frankly? If he did what he’s accused of no one should give a single moments shit about his current mental health. Imagine what his victim has been living with for years.
Pretty much how I feel."Personal reasons" should be stated instead of "mental health," IMHO. Saying "mental health" is unfair (sorry, can't currently think of better word) to people with mental health issues who don't commit violent/sexual crimes against others.
When I first saw the headlines I figured it was another hazing scandal, which confirms your point.Hockey Canada (and for that matter the soccer equivalent) have really had a bad few years. Deservedly so it seems. A lot of heads have rolled. No doubt many more to come.
I have heard exactly the same sorts of stories. Decades worth of disturbing stuff, a real toxic environment. The hazing, the alcohol, the stuff that happens on the bus…A mod can delete this since it is just a generalization, but hockey in Canada is different and worse than most other sports for extreme behavior around alcohol and sex. When I played college basketball in Canada the initiation stories for Junior hockey teams all involved some type of sexual assault, degradation, or worse. These kids are thrust into pro type schedules 70+ games a year, from the time they are 13-14 years old. Often they are celebrities on the small. medium sized communities. There has been major progress made, but I am still often shocked at some of what I hear, especially around the prevalence of alcohol. I am not saying alcohol is the worse than the sexual activity, it is just I hear first had from people I know drinking is still a big part of Jr hockey. SOme hockey parents I know favor playing n the NCAA over Jr hockey for these reasons.
The parents are a big part of this. When I was coaching minor midgets in Ontario about half the parents would travel with the team on the road and would be up all night drinking. One or more of the dads would supply cases of beer to each of the boys rooms. These kids were 16.I have heard exactly the same sorts of stories. Decades worth of disturbing stuff, a real toxic environment. The hazing, the alcohol, the stuff that happens on the bus…
I hope no one sees fit to delete Reggie’s post, because even if it is a generalization, it’s the prevailing generalization…and it probably didn’t get conjured up out of nowhere.
I’m sure a whole lot of kids playing at the level just want to play, but when the bullshit takes over sometimes it’s hard to separate yourself from it.
Also, for what it’s worth, most of not all of Hockey Canada’s Board of Directors was removed and replaced after the London 2018 story came out in the first place - the people there now are the people who got brought in to do better, and I don’t think they’ve really had enough time yet - so calling for their heads seems a little misguided.
Also #2 - The Utah thing has been a pretty open secret for almost as long as Ryan Smith has owned the Utah Jazz, and the 2034 Olympic news just made the rumor hotter. The only question most people have now is whether it will be expansion, or Arizona relocation…
https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/sources-confirm-nhl-players-facing-charges-in-sexual-assault-investigation-1.2069570Four National Hockey League players – Carter Hart, Michael McLeod, Dillon Dube, and Cal Foote– have been directed to surrender to police in London, Ont., to be charged with sexual assault in connection with an alleged incident that occurred during a Hockey Canada event in the city in June 2018, two sources familiar with the matter told TSN.
This is 1000000000% bullshit and it pisses me off that people will actually believe them. They would have obviously made the connection he was on that team, and they would absolutely investigate it. Even if they thought no charges would come to light, they still would absolutely spent a ton of money getting every detail they could. Same with the NHL, who probably kept in contact with every team that had a player on the WJC team, even before the public knew anything. Feigning ignorance in this day and age in this type of situation is horrificFlames say they had no knowledge of the pending charges when Dube asked for the leave.
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This seems oddly confrontational. What do you think?So it’s bullshit… what should they have said?
Kept the phrase "mental health" out of it and called it personal issues or anything else.So it’s bullshit… what should they have said?
Go look at how the other teams handled it.So it’s bullshit… what should they have said?
So it’s bullshit… what should they have said?
Very much all of this. I wouldn’t have even let him get away with that much."Personal reasons" should be stated instead of "mental health," IMHO. Saying "mental health" is unfair (sorry, can't currently think of better word) to people with mental health issues who don't commit violent/sexual crimes against others.