I have faith that had he not washed his hands, someone on the flight would have tweeted about it.There was never any follow up on that
I have faith that had he not washed his hands, someone on the flight would have tweeted about it.There was never any follow up on that
The real story is which passenger did Delta bump for Brad to get his seat?Benjamin Gaines @benjamingaines 33m33 minutes ago
FWIW, Brad Stevens is sitting in economy on DL 2931, where he used the restroom about an hour ago
1. My Nuggets have between 10 and 15 million of cap room (not sure of the exact number) and have some cap holds they could rescind to create more.If you are thinking that Boston is going to get a good return, please find me a team that satisfies each of the following criteria:
1. Has the required cap space/trade exception/non-guaranteed contracts to take back Crowder, Smart or Bradley without sending back guaranteed salary
2. Has the clear and present need to upgrade today by acquiring Crowder, Smart or Bradley
3. Has the trade asset or young player that they'd be willing to give up in said deal
I can't seem to find a team that can both absorb a contract and send back something interesting (say an extra lottery-protected pick). That's why this is dragging out and it's why the return is going to be disappointing to those who are expecting something good.
Yes, every other article that talks about Olynyk says that they renounced him. However, my guess is that 99% of those writers aren't paying attention to difference between rescinding the QO and renouncing KO.This article says they have renounced him. Not sure who's right here or if it's just a matter of poor choice of words by the author.
https://www.netsdaily.com/2017/7/5/15924404/amick-nets-among-four-teams-coming-on-strong-for-olynyk
Yup. My take is that Bradley is elite against smaller scoring guards, but not so much overall.Bradley's defense is a flashpoint in the eyeballs vs statistics crisis.
I would take a shot on Lyles. Not sure what happened to him last year but his rookie season was solid.DEN is on my short list for Crowder trades. I would suggest Lyles and a 2nd for Crowder would work. DEN would have to renounce Hibbert and Plumlee but could then fit Crowder into space and still have room to guarantee Mike Miller's contract, if they choose to do so.
This is where I'm at, too. I can't think of any many situations where there is a functional difference between rescinding a qualifying offer and renouncing said player so I'm guessing most writers/editors aren't that worried about the language being used.Yes, every other article that talks about Olynyk says that they renounced him. However, my guess is that 99% of those writers aren't paying attention to difference between rescinding the QO and renouncing KO.
My guess is rescinding is correct but that and five bucks will buy you something at Starbucks. Maybe.
A little history lesson on Jae Crowder:Huh. Zero evidence?
Crowder has become a terrificly overrated defender and we'll see if he can maintain his huge one-year improvement in three-point shooting or if it was an outlier. .
No, but they can renounce Miller and Hibbert. They can trade Chandler or Barton, who should certainly have value. They can trade Faried. They can trade or buy out Jameer Nelson. There are plenty of moves they could make to create the space without renouncing Plumlee, who they want to retain.There's no chance they renounce Plumlee though, right? They just gave up Nurkic and a first round pick to acquire him.
By all accounts they've been trying for over a year at this point. No takers. Mostly because he's a garbage basketball player who plays hard but not well.No, but they can renounce Miller and Hibbert. They can trade Chandler or Barton, who should certainly have value. They can trade Faried. They can trade or buy out Jameer Nelson. There are plenty of moves they could make to create the space without renouncing Plumlee, who they want to retain.
Yes, but that's just one of many options. Actually, I'm not positive, but I think they have enough space as is to take on Crowder.By all accounts they've been trying for over a year at this point. No takers. Mostly because he's a garbage basketball player who plays hard but not well.
He has the occasional game where he looks basically transcendent on D, like a one man swarm of hornets, and that's what tends to be remembered more than the games where he is merely good depending on the matchup.Yup. My take is that Bradley is elite against smaller scoring guards, but not so much overall.
Being over the cap does not eliminate a team as a possible trade partner. Since the Celtics have to shave off such a small amount of space, it's not like they need someone to take back an entire salary and give back none.Teams with no cap room: CHA, CLE, DET, GS, HOU, LAC, MEM, MIL, NO, OKC, POR, TOR, WAS (assumes match for Porter)
Not going to trade with (future draft picks): BRK, LAL, PHI, SAC
Teams with cap room but no fit for Crowder: DAL, MIN, NYK, ORL, SA
Sign-and-trade only: UTA
Possible fits for Crowder: ATL, CHI, DEN, IND, MIA, PHX
I come up with seven possible trade partners for Crowder. There may be more or less for Bradley/Smart.
I agree with this, he was probably not renounced.Yes, every other article that talks about Olynyk says that they renounced him. However, my guess is that 99% of those writers aren't paying attention to difference between rescinding the QO and renouncing KO.
My guess is rescinding is correct but that and five bucks will buy you something at Starbucks. Maybe.
A capped team can only obtain salaries equal to 125%, plus $100k, of the outgoing salaries. That does not clear enough room in a Crowder solo trade ($5.36+mm vs. $6.80mm).Being over the cap does not eliminate a team as a possible trade partner. Since the Celtics have to shave off such a small amount of space, it's not like they need someone to take back an entire salary and give back none.
I'm not saying either team might do this exact trade, but for example, say Charlotte loved Avery Bradley. They could offer you Jeremy Lamb who makes 7M and a first round pick. Even though they're over the cap, that's close enough to match, and the Celtics could then fit Hayward in with by dumping the Mickey types.
The market is not that limited.
From cbafaq:A capped team can only obtain salaries equal to 125%, plus $100k, of the outgoing salaries. That does not clear enough room in a Crowder solo trade ($5.36+mm vs. $6.80mm).
After accounting for Mickey, renouncing cap holds and stashing Yabusele, BOS needs to cut $2.025mm plus $815k per each player traded away. This won't do it.
125% rule is not for capped teams, it's for taxpaying teams.A capped team can only obtain salaries equal to 125%, plus $100k, of the outgoing salaries. That does not clear enough room in a Crowder solo trade ($5.36+mm vs. $6.80mm).
After accounting for Mickey, renouncing cap holds and stashing Yabusele, BOS needs to cut $2.025mm plus $815k per each player traded away. This won't do it.
Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens were back in Boston, too, having left here yesterday morning to sit at a table on a stage as soon as today and smile as Hayward is formally introduced as a Celtic.
Meanwhile, amid the preparations for pomp and circumstance and general hoopla, the club was taking on the demeanor of a duck — calm above water, but paddling like hell beneath the surface as it tried to complete the deals to free up the money for their free agent treasure.
At various points through the day and into the evening yesterday, the Celts were alternately close to a sign-and-trade deal with Utah and then slipping away from such a move.
According to two league sources, the Celtics were having some issues getting deals done in part because teams see them as being in a tight squeeze — needing to clear salary to get Hayward done and get on with the task of completing the roster around him, with maybe another trade or a free agent signing into the room via the mid-level exception of $4.328 million. Opponents were trying to get a bargain, while the Celts were trying to get at least reasonable value in return.
“It’s funny,” said one general manager. “Avery Bradley isn’t Paul George, but just like Boston didn’t want to give up the Brooklyn or Laker pick to Indiana, teams are wary about giving up something when Bradley could walk after this year.
“And if you go for Smart, you have to look at your roster and decide how much you’re going to be willing to pay him next summer.”
The case of Crowder is significantly different. He is under an incredibly team favorable contract of $6,796,117, $7,305,825 and $7,815,533 over the next three seasons and, though we’ve heard nothing specific to suggest this, the Jazz can’t be looking at him as simply a Celtic giveaway.
“You know how teams were (upset) at Indiana when they saw what they got for George? That’s how it’ll be if Boston gives up Crowder just to clear space,” said a Western Conference exec. “That guy has a lot of respect around the league for the way he plays the game.”
As of last night, the Celtics were just hoping the affection for Crowder, Bradley and Smart would translate into a workable trade that would get them over the Hayward hurdle. Then the club could know where it stands as it goes after needed rebounding assistance.
probably had, but the problem is the same, when everyone knows you have to trade somebody they aren't going to put up their best offer. It's why there are rumors he shopped Crowder and Smart at the draft.Almost feels like collusion against Ainge. It's hard to believe he wouldn't of worked on contingency deals leading up to the Hayward signing.
Would you be willing to give up much for 1 year of control of a 6'2 SG who can't dribble to save his life or 2 years of control of a PG who can't shoot for shit and who has a sizeable payday looming?Almost feels like collusion against Ainge. It's hard to believe he wouldn't of worked on contingency deals leading up to the Hayward signing.
I think you are reading waaaayyyyyy too much into this. There are hundreds of possibilities as to why there hasn't been a trade yet, and only a few of them result in "collusion against Ainge". Actually, I think none of them result in that.Almost feels like collusion against Ainge. It's hard to believe he wouldn't of worked on contingency deals leading up to the Hayward signing.
Well depends. Smart is restricted, so real value there as you control the match or a S&T. Bradley is a really good player especially next to a PG who can ride all the rides at the amusement park, I think if you felt fairly confident that he would extend, a lot of team would have interest.Would you be willing to give up much for 1 year of control of a 6'2 SG who can't dribble to save his life or 2 years of control of a PG who can't shoot for shit and who has a sizeable payday looming?
Crowder is the more peculiar case. He is a starting caliber player who is making relative peanuts for 3 years. You'd think someone would bite on that for a future protected first.
It isn't collusion it's just that none of those players have much trade value for their own individual reasons.Almost feels like collusion against Ainge. It's hard to believe he wouldn't of worked on contingency deals leading up to the Hayward signing.
Pretty much this. Another way of putting it--how would you feel if the Celtics traded a top-10 protected first rounder for Smart, Bradley, or Crowder?It isn't collusion it's just that none of those players have much trade value for their own individual reasons.
Crowder is a low upside role player who on his own is probably going to fetch no better than a high 2nd rounder or maybe at best a low 1st. Bradley is an expiring deal that's a low first at best. Smart is a very good 2nd unit guard but how much are they going for these days on the trade market? Plus he is going to want to get paid after next season.
Wouldn't it be a reasonable gamble for any team under the cap to make a trade with Boston if they can do so for 50 cents on the dollar? they would at least have the option of flipping the player to another team with more leverage than DA has now.Teams with no cap room: CHA, CLE, DET, GS, HOU, LAC, MEM, MIL, NO, OKC, POR, TOR, WAS (assumes match for Porter)
Not going to trade with (future draft picks): BRK, LAL, PHI, SAC
Teams with cap room but no fit for Crowder: DAL, MIN, NYK, ORL, SA
Sign-and-trade only: UTA
Possible fits for Crowder: ATL, CHI, DEN, IND, MIA, PHX
I come up with seven possible trade partners for Crowder. There may be more or less for Bradley/Smart.
$300K, right?...Danny needs to go find a real estate broker to cut the commish on Gordo's future $15MM Wellesley house purchaseInteresting. I don't blame the guy for getting everything he's due, but this would certainly help...
Then he gets an "extra" Giant Glass commercial or something.That would be pretty huge. I believe they would just need to dump Mickey/Jackson/Rozier and Hayward would be able to take something minuscule like $300k less than max.
I wonder if anyone would give up a 2nd for Rozier or if he will just be traded to a teams cap spaceThat would be pretty huge. I believe they would just need to dump Mickey/Jackson/Rozier and Hayward would be able to take something minuscule like $300k less than max.
I'd almost rather keep Rozier than AB due to the team control aspect, but it's hard to complain if it works out this way.That would be pretty huge. I believe they would just need to dump Mickey/Jackson/Rozier and Hayward would be able to take something minuscule like $300k less than max.
Leverage against the teams who think they've got Danny over a barrel. Nice.Interesting. I don't blame the guy for getting everything he's due, but this would certainly help...
Yup. Danny's playing poker until the very end. If the Hayward stuff is true, then he's in a much better bargaining position than we had assumed.Leverage against the teams who think they've got Danny over a barrel. Nice.
Yes that's part of it too. Although a Crowder trade doesn't seem like it should shove anyone into Billy King territory. I think the Warriors thing is closer; Ainge exudes this "smartest guy in the room" vibe and there might be a touch of jealousy and how he's nailed this rebuild and teams just don't seem to want to play ball with him on trades. Not just this week, but yes the failed Butler and George pursuits.I think people talking about collision are also including things like the reported offers rejected by the Bulls and pacers compared to what those teams ultimately took.
I don't think it's collusion, which is a strong accusation. I do think it's that the competing GMs don't want to be seen as the next Billy King in dealing with Ainge and are offering less value (or asking more), even subconsciously, when working with him. Like, you want my guy, I want something from you that's gonna hurt. There is also the idea that maybe noone wants to help the Celtics be the next Warriors.
Anyone concerned about Danny & Co getting fleeced hasn't been paying attention for the last 10yrsI love how one tweet changes the sentiment in here from "collusion! no chance Danny will get anything for any of these bums!" to "wow - Danny has this all under control"