I think Boras knew what the Twins’ limit was and that Cohen was willing to go higher.Why did the Twins not even get involved again? Maybe everyone knew Cohen would not be outbid this time,
I think Boras knew what the Twins’ limit was and that Cohen was willing to go higher.Why did the Twins not even get involved again? Maybe everyone knew Cohen would not be outbid this time,
Why does this mean they don’t know how to run a baseball franchise? If the Giants didn’t like something good on them for backing out, they’d look really stupid if he had an injury that sapped his production in the next few years that they saw on his medicals and they signed him anyways.It’s odd how the two teams that have the most titles this century (30% of the total) have so suddenly forgotten how to run a baseball franchise.
Susan Slusser, who is a lot less prone to hyperbole than Grant, called this off-season an unsalvageable disaster on the radio today. The Giants have a ton of money and have "finished second" on Harper, Ohtani (in recent years) and Judge, then had this crazy Correa issue. It's a pretty bad look, and barring a miracle, their team is going to be worse this year than last year."The Anger?" Jesus - grow the fuck up Grant.
I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.Why does this mean they don’t know how to run a baseball franchise? If the Giants didn’t like something good on them for backing out, they’d look really stupid if he had an injury that sapped his production in the next few years that they saw on his medicals and they signed him anyways.
Boras can say whatever he pleases. And perhaps the mystery team will back him up for once.Susan Slusser, who is a lot less prone to hyperbole than Grant, called this off-season an unsalvageable disaster on the radio today. The Giants have a ton of money and have "finished second" on Harper, Ohtani (in recent years) and Judge, then had this crazy Correa issue. It's a pretty bad look, and barring a miracle, their team is going to be worse this year than last year.
It doesn't help that the Giants are keeping mum on what happened while Boras is torching them in the press.
Yeah, doctors are concerned about his health and he has a track record of injuries. THROW ALL THE. MONEY AT HIM!26m AAV, doesn't cost a pick, why couldn't we beat that Chaim?
All of the blame, because they can't figure out, like the Knicks, that if they want to attract stars they have to have a foundation that can support winning. I bet none of these FAs want to go and be the lone star just to lose every year.The Giants offered Judge more money than NY. They offered a 12 year deal to Harper. Stanton wouldn‘t waive his no trade clause. They met with Ohtani and made their best pitch. I don’t know how much blame you can put on the Giants for coming up short the last few years. They were willing to give up prospects or commit mega deals to all those guys but it didn’t work out for various reasons.
Didn't Corey Seager and Marcus Semien sign the biggest deals in the last offseason? With Texas? I guess they aren't the lone stars, more like dual stars losing every year.All of the blame, because they can't figure out, like the Knicks, that if they want to attract stars they have to have a foundation that can support winning. I bet none of these FAs want to go and be the lone star just to lose every year.
The Mets haven’t won since 1986. Maybe the new market inefficiency is just not paying for contracts for players in their 30’s to turn into Josh Hamilton, Albert Pujols, Chris Sale, Miguel Cabrera etc instead of praying they age like Ortiz or Bonds. I know it sucks to players like Betts and Bogaerts leave and it doesn’t seem like there’s much of a great plan but it’s usually better to let your stars goIt’s odd how the two teams that have the most titles this century (30% of the total) have so suddenly forgotten how to run a baseball franchise.
Could any part of this debacle turn out to be a positive? Even with expanded playoffs, with the Dodgers and Padres so loaded, and San Francisco so slow to recover from the pandemic, could you make the case that this wasn’t the right time for the Giants to be aggressive? It’s not like winning 107 games in 2021 did anything to boost attendance the following season. As much as it might be a PR and marketing nightmare to run another mix-and-match lineup out there, or to skate along at or near .500 and hope to sneak into the last wild-card spot, were the Giants really going to enjoy a sizable bump at the box office by signing Correa? Are they better off to keep pouring resources into the farm system and building toward a year or two from now when the regional economy might be brighter than it appears in the near term?
Both look like aberrations in retrospect but the Giants maybe even more so. Crawford and Belt came kinda out of nowhere to have just ridiculous career years at ages 33 and 34. Shit, Darin Ruf had a 141 OPS+ in like 120 games.Just one year earlier, the Giants won the NL West with a 107-55 record, and the Red Sox made it to the ALCS and were two wins away from making it to the World Series, having dispatched the hated Yankees along the way.
What have you done for me lately, indeed.
That's incredible. Even the military makes you strip down bare ass naked so they can look everywhere.
As someone earlier mentioned, the question is how bad must have DeGrom's physicals been that even the Mets were like 'eh, no you go ahead and sign him'w/r/t the Mets and player physicals:
the morning that it was announced that the Mets had signed Petey, I ran into Minaya dropping the boys off at school. I asked him if the rumors about Petey's shoulder didn't scare him.
His response: the organizational philosophy is that every pitcher is just one pitch away from blowing out his arm.
It's shocking that he didn't last longer as a GM.w/r/t the Mets and player physicals:
the morning that it was announced that the Mets had signed Petey, I ran into Minaya dropping the boys off at school. I asked him if the rumors about Petey's shoulder didn't scare him.
His response: the organizational philosophy is that every pitcher is just one pitch away from blowing out his arm.
When it gets down to 7/182, Bloom will convene his panel of advisorsSo you're saying there's a chance part 2
Regardless of what the Giants said, HIPAA generally doesn't apply to employers, though there still might be other confidential information rules at play. And HIPAA states a medical professional can't release health records without authorization. One presumes Correa authorized releasing results of the physical to the potential employer(s); a general statement that the Mets "have concerns" probably doesn't break any laws.Two notes of interest: This should shut down the talk that the Giants somehow manufactured an excuse to get out of a deal, and I wonder how the media got a hold of the area of concern despite the HIPPA laws the Giants cited for not detailing it earlier.
That's not what I mean. The Giants didn't let known the area of injury. The Mets apparently didRegardless of what the Giants said, HIPAA generally doesn't apply to employers, though there still might be other confidential information rules at play. And HIPAA states a medical professional can't release health records without authorization. One presumes Correa authorized releasing results of the physical to the potential employer(s); a general statement that the Mets "have concerns" probably doesn't break any laws.
The Giants didn't say officially, but there were several "sources said" articles saying that they were concerned about the old lower leg injury. Far example, https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/giants/why-giants-backed-away-carlos-correas-franchise-altering-agreementThat's not what I mean. The Giants didn't let known the area of injury. The Mets apparently did
I hadn't seen the story linked. Thanks for adding more detailThe Giants didn't say officially, but there were several "sources said" articles saying that they were concerned about the old lower leg injury. Far example, https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/giants/why-giants-backed-away-carlos-correas-franchise-altering-agreement
That's pretty similar to what is coming out from the Mets, isn't it?
Sure thing! I really do wonder what's going on here...I hadn't seen the story linked. Thanks for adding more detail
It’s astonishing, but that’s what happens when the owner decides to do the GM’s job.Given the Giants issue, I don't really understand how the Mets didn't get all the medicals and make a call on them before agreeing to this deal.
Maybe. I think if the Mets do things the way they have now, after the SF deal fell through, Correa might be under a lot more pressure to make serious concessions for this deal to be completed. Two failed physicals makes it tougher for other teams to step up.Given the Giants issue, I don't really understand how the Mets didn't get all the medicals and make a call on them before agreeing to this deal.
I know. It’s a joke based on the garbage offer to Xander last year.Correa?
4/130 is what a short-term deal would look like for him imho
It feels like this increased scrutiny is a direct consequence of these longer dated deals. Want one in your mid to late 20s? Scans gotta be clean.Just read the Athletic article and they said the fibula fracture was closer to the ankle than the knee.
Hard to believe that old fracture he has been playing on since age 19 is going to cause all these docs to be so concerned.... but I can only imagine he has terrible bone on bone post traumatic tibiotalar (ankle) osteoarthritis.
Could be for sure, though honestly most of these guys don't have "clean" scans. Lots of old injuries and arthritis for these guys, even in their 20s. If I open up an MRI for a pro athlete, I know it's going to be a long report, it's almost never normal.It feels like this increased scrutiny is a direct consequence of these longer dated deals. Want one in your mid to late 20s? Scans gotta be clean.
And while the Astros knew they had players in the pipeline, this no doubt played into their reasoning for not securing him to a long-term dealFor the Giants to get cold feet and now also the Mets, it's more than just not clean, his ankle must be trashed.
I think you have made reference around here to the natural wear and tear these athletes endure. My guess is that given the market movement, teams are just now deciding to heed the medicals a lot more than in the past. Again, what's changed is the level of commitment. A degenerative condition means maybe those with elite skills can't get a long dated deal.Could be for sure, though honestly most of these guys don't have "clean" scans. Lots of old injuries and arthritis for these guys, even in their 20s. If I open up an MRI for a pro athlete, I know it's going to be a long report, it's almost never normal.
For the Giants to get cold feet and now also the Mets, it's more than just not clean, his ankle must be trashed.
I don't doubt the long term "career" contracts add another wrinkle, but guys like Harper, Judge, Mookie, Turner, Xander, etc seem to sign them without issue.I think you have made reference around here to the natural wear and tear these athletes endure. My guess is that given the market movement, teams are just now deciding to heed the medicals a lot more than in the past. Again, what's changed is the level of commitment. A degenerative condition means maybe those with elite skills can't get a long dated deal.
This was a big story already on the radios yesterday because the Mets had said medicals were gonna be reviewed and done Friday but nobody had announced anything. So, radios jumping all over the fact that the Mets might be looking for a way out after seeing them.
Completely guessing but a lot of distal fibula fractures go along with ligament tears and cartilage injuries at the ankle.So was the injury not set right or did he get back on it too quickly?
Did you make anything of the anecdote about his "hard slide" in September, or is that pretty much a red herring?Completely guessing but a lot of distal fibula fractures go along with ligament tears and cartilage injuries at the ankle.
If he had a bad distal fibula fracture 10 years ago, entirely possible he's developed severe arthritis at his ankle by now. If he's bone on bone wouldn't be surprised if team docs aren't excited about clearing him to play adequately in the field for the next 10+ years.
Seems more plausible to me than a fracture that never healed.