The talent gap is not big enough? Sheesh.Tatum has ten extra years and I don’t think the current talent gap is enough to make up for that.
The talent gap is not big enough? Sheesh.Tatum has ten extra years and I don’t think the current talent gap is enough to make up for that.
For the extra ten years? Nope.The talent gap is not big enough? Sheesh.
Oh my.I’m not sure Tatum won’t be as good in 5 years as Curry is now.
This take, I like this takeFor the extra ten years? Nope.
I’m not sure Tatum won’t be as good in 5 years as Curry is now. I think he’s perennial top 5 MVP candidate good.
No.Davis?
He is having his best year shooting the three and the two, and has his highest TS%. His PER is 5th in the league, RPM is 13th. He is getting slightly fewer rebounds and blocks, but he is playing along side another very good big.No.
If you asked me after 2014-15 (if Tatum did this that year), I say absolutely, no questions asked. But Davis has regressed since then. He looks like more of a Jimmy Butler/Paul George talent, both in terms of advanced stats and team success, than he does a top 5 in the league talent.
Kyrie was PUMPED when that went in.After that dunk and then Kyrie's drive (and GREAT offensive rebound), when Tatum was in the corner asking for the ball for the 3 point attempt I could almost feel Kyrie saying "here you go, rook, show 'em what you can do" and he BURIED that three with hardly a ripple of the net. I may have made some noises I haven't made in quite awhile when that happened.
Never. There have been all of 4 quadruple doubles in NBA history. Hakeem, David Robinson, Nate Thurmond and Alvin Robertson. He isn't nearly the shot blocker the first 3 are, and Alvin Robertson is possibly the best stealer in NBA history.Odds that at some point in his career he will record a quadruple double? I say +200.
I agree "never". Bird came close once (with something like 8 steals along with a traditional triple double). I think Hakeem might have come close to a quintuple double once.Never. There have been all of 4 quadruple doubles in NBA history. Hakeem, David Robinson, Nate Thurmond and Alvin Robertson. He isn't nearly the shot blocker the first 3 are, and Alvin Robertson is possibly the best stealer in NBA history.
Am I right to recall the Celtics had a big lead in that game and Bird sat most of the 4th quarter even when told about the quadruple being close?I agree "never". Bird came close once (with something like 8 steals along with a traditional triple double). I think Hakeem might have come close to a quintuple double once.
So has Fultz.Isaac's stock has probably dropped because he's been out so much.
I actually think it's sort of interesting that he's still as high as number 2.So has Fultz.
I think it's just hype.I actually think it's sort of interesting that he's still as high as number 2.
I like Markkanen more than Kuzma.Kuzma at #5 seems very high.
Not buying the author’s reasoning. In a redraft, the C’s keep the #1 pick and take Tatum, the Lakers still grab Ball at #2, and the Sixers probably stick with Fultz at #3, though Mitchell would be tempting.Here's a Bleacher Report redraft from a few days ago with Tatum #1 and:
#2 Fultz
#3 Mitchell
#4 Ball
#5 Kuzma
#6 Smith Jr.
#7 Markkanen
#8 Anunoby
#9 Fox
#10 Isaac
Isaac's stock has probably dropped because he's been out so much.
Huh?The above list is not intended as a list of how guys would go in a redraft.
HIS list from the paragraph above
Interesting long form article on Kuzma from the Ringer here: https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/1/3/16844192/los-angeles-lakers-kyle-kuzma-rookie-sensation-featureIt's worth noting that BPM thinks Kuzma hasn't been all that good and RPM thinks he's been awful.
Here's a Bleacher Report redraft from a few days ago with Tatum #1 and:
#2 Fultz
#3 Mitchell
#4 Ball
#5 Kuzma
#6 Smith Jr.
#7 Markkanen
#8 Anunoby
#9 Fox
#10 Isaac
Isaac's stock has probably dropped because he's been out so much.
Yes. You have to wonder how much growth he has in his game and whether he is a legit asset or a "put up numbers on a crap team" guy.Re Kuzma: He's like the IT4 of power forwards but less talented. For an NBA player, he is not long so even with effort he's not going to be that great. Kuzma also seems undisciplined at times and tends to get sloppy but he's also a rookie. I've seen him benched a few times for boneheaded passes and a lack of effort on defense. He's also not 19 or 20 so what he is doing is less impressive than it appears. 22 isn't old but compared to others in his draft class, it is.
I was just comparing these two the other day. Maybe not quite the defensive upside of Player A, but a higher ceiling in offense. Man, that's bonkers to say at this point, and yet it still feels true.Fun with comparing Tatum to other players.
Advanced:
Per 100 Possessions:
obviously 1 of these is Tatum, but who is the other surprisingly similar rooke (hint he was a year older than Tatum as a rookie)
I would guess that the league wide increase in 3PAr is hurting him, also the TS% of his team. Since BPM adjusts TS% based on the teamwide TS% and 3PAr based on the leaguewide 3PArAnd I really can't figure out where the difference in OBPM lies. Offensive rebounds and a slightly better turnover rate? I would think Tatum's better efficiency and ability to get to the line would offset those.
That's great, really interesting stuff. I didn't realize Semi was a Hanlen guy too. Crazy that he started training Beal when he (Hanlen) was a senior in high school. Can he start working with Marcus and Jaylen too? Just so long as he doesn't start pushing JT0 brand electrolytes and avocado ice cream.Love this interview, good listen while we wait for the next game.
Drew Hanlen...word
Okay...who? Spoiler it if others want to guess...Fun with comparing Tatum to other players.
Advanced:
Per 100 Possessions:
obviously 1 of these is Tatum, but who is the other surprisingly similar rooke (hint he was a year older than Tatum as a rookie)
If he were working with Smart wouldn’t the obvious choice be Smart Water? I guess Jaylendo (“It’s got what ballers crave!”) works too.That's great, really interesting stuff. I didn't realize Semi was a Hanlen guy too. Crazy that he started training Beal when he (Hanlen) was a senior in high school. Can he start working with Marcus and Jaylen too? Just so long as he doesn't start pushing JT0 brand electrolytes and avocado ice cream.
He sounds like a bright guy, he knows Tatum's the guy to hitch his wagon to.If he were working with Smart wouldn’t the obvious choice be Smart Water? I guess Jaylendo (“It’s got what ballers crave!”) works too.
In addition to Cellar-Door's point about Lg3PT%, there is a team-component to box-plus minus. Tatum's "raw" offensive BPM is 1.0; however in order to make BPM match the Celtics actual offensive output, his offensive BPM (and all Celtics players' offensive BPM) is dinged by 0.6 points. The reverse is happening defensively: the Celtics defense is better than the BPM formula can fully attribute using box-score metrics, so all Celtics players are getting a 1.6 dBPM boost to their stats.And I really can't figure out where the difference in OBPM lies. Offensive rebounds and a slightly better turnover rate? I would think Tatum's better efficiency and ability to get to the line would offset those.
Sadly I hate Bradley Beal a little less. I do like how much confidence Hanlen has in Tatum, has to rub off on the kid.One interesting thing about the podcast with Hanlen was his talking about Ojele's 3 point shot flattening out due to creep in his mechanics - which are seeing a bit lately. It's encouraging that Hanlen is able to work with these guys and continue to guide their development as someone who already knows them and knows their growth curve, etc. Hopefully while on the same page as the C's obviously.