Okay, maybe the question is, why did we do it then?They got rozier because they couldn't sign him outright
If we toss Atlanta something, what do they care?
Okay, maybe the question is, why did we do it then?They got rozier because they couldn't sign him outright
Season is a month away, it's almost winter, but that take is HOT.You can hate them all you want, but we’ll all be watching them in the playoffs going further than the Celtics.
Ainge clearly working the phones but nobody seems to be biting. Seems likely we pick at 14 and one of 26/30, and then trade the other for salary relief or some low value future pick.
Would love to be wrong.Season is a month away, it's almost winter, but that take is HOT.
Both teams did it because it was easier than fully clearing the cap space and neither team cared about the hard cap since they didn't plan to get that high.Okay, maybe the question is, why did we do it then?
If we toss Atlanta something, what do they care?
Cs got a 2nd round pick for something they were going to do anywayOkay, maybe the question is, why did we do it then?
If we toss Atlanta something, what do they care?
This would make for a boring and very disappointing draft night. Those late picks simply are not very valuable.Ainge clearly working the phones but nobody seems to be biting. Seems likely we pick at 14 and one of 26/30, and then trade the other for salary relief or some low value future pick.
No chance. The newest iteration of the "Dream Team" will be in shambles by St Patrick's Day.You can hate them all you want, but we’ll all be watching them in the playoffs going further than the Celtics.
Yup. I’m fully expecting a repeat of last year. A mid round guy that we can at least dream on, a high floor/low ceiling type, and then a punt or stash.This would make for a boring and very disappointing draft night. Those late picks simply are not very valuable.
But some random guy who calls himself "Scoops" said they wereView: https://twitter.com/Murf56/status/1328852886843953153
Per league source on the Celtics' view of a potential James Harden deal: "No interest."
He’s not random just because you don’t know who he is. Why should we trust Mark Murphy more than Brandon Robinson?But some random guy who calls himself "Scoops" said they were
He's a freelance writer who calls himself Scoops. Why trust him anymore than Incarcerated BobHe’s not random just because you don’t know who he is. Why should we trust Mark Murphy more than Brandon Robinson?
If your skepticism is solely due to his nickname, I’d say there’s a cultural issue there that I’m pretty wary of treading on. He currently works for MSG and he used to work for the Nets (in addition to BET and the Source) and hosts a podcast that a lot of NBA players and retired players appear on. I’m pretty sure he has legit NBA connections, and he has been right before, but he does through a lot of stuff out there that turns out to be BS.He's a freelance writer who calls himself Scoops. Why trust him anymore than Incarcerated Bob
Which is precisely why guys like that shouldn't be given the same sort of credibility as the actual professionals at this type of reporting.... he has been right before, but he does through a lot of stuff out there that turns out to be BS.
Because if they dealt him they could lose Dedmon’s salary and clear space for free agent signings.For the life of me, I don't understand why Atlanta would give up anything for Hayward when they've got the cap space to just sign him outright. I also don't exactly understand why Hayward would want to go to Atlanta, but that's at least a possibility.
In a normal year I’d agree with you, but this draft is so roleplayer heavy that I would be up shocked if the best player got picked at 26 or 30.This would make for a boring and very disappointing draft night. Those late picks simply are not very valuable.
But you didn’t know who he was, just that he had a funny name.Which is precisely why guys like that shouldn't be given the same sort of credibility as the actual professionals at this type of reporting.
Not boring to me at all. People are hating on this draft, but It's mostly a lack of top end talent.Yup. I’m fully expecting a repeat of last year. A mid round guy that we can at least dream on, a high floor/low ceiling type, and then a punt or stash.
Something like Hampton and Tillman sounds about right.
Doesn’t sound boring to me! I’d be pretty amped up with those two + a stash or two.Yup. I’m fully expecting a repeat of last year. A mid round guy that we can at least dream on, a high floor/low ceiling type, and then a punt or stash.
Something like Hampton and Tillman sounds about right.
My lfinal response on this ... no, it's not that the name was "funny." It's that anyone with an ounce of crdibility would never call himself thatBut you didn’t know who he was, just that he had a funny name.
Your final response was just as bad as all your others, but I appreciate you letting it go.My lfinal response on this ... no, it's not that the name was "funny." It's that anyone with an ounce of crdibility would never call himself that
My lfinal response on this ... no, it's not that the name was "funny." It's that anyone with an ounce of crdibility would never call himself that
https://theathletic.com/2204873/2020/11/17/gordon-hayward-celtics-james-harden/?source=emp_shared_articleJames Harden can say he wants to go to Brooklyn, but there are other teams out there that would be willing to make a serious sacrifice to bring in the Houston star. The Nets’ potential package would center on Caris LeVert, Spencer Dinwiddie and Jarrett Allen. LeVert and Dinwiddie are borderline All-Stars, but they are approaching their primes already. Allen is a good young prospect, but he doesn’t project to have All-Star upside. So that’s three players that basically make up a borderline playoff team, with no major draft compensation.
The smart move for Houston is to try to crack the top of next year’s draft, which has a strong group of top prospects. Get that next centerpiece with at least eight years of guaranteed control. But if that isn’t in play, there are two teams that can offer a young marquee player: Philadelphia and Boston. It’s become apparent the Celtics aren’t going to get the requisite draft value for players like Hayward and Kemba Walker to haul in a big whale like Harden when it wasn’t even enough to get them Holiday. Enter Jaylen Brown, a 24-year-old two-way wing knocking on the door of All-Star status. He’d be an ideal building block in Houston, just as he has been next to Tatum.
But then there’s Ben Simmons. Daryl Morey is the new boss in Philadelphia, and his reputation isn’t staked to making it work with Simmons. As great as Brown is, Simmons is the kind of player you could build an entire system around on both ends. Putting him in the right offensive lineups could finally unleash his MVP potential. A Simmons-to-Houston deal could work perfectly for the Sixers, as Harden could turn Joel Embiid into a destructive pick-and-roll force and finally take the pressure off Embiid to run the offense from the post. Harden running point would also take the pressure off of Tobias Harris to be a creator, and replacing Simmons with the league’s best perimeter scorer could even allow Al Horford to thrive again.
The Celtics at least have some more appetizing young players to include in such a deal compared with Philadelphia, but it’s hard to imagine anything beating a Simmons offer. Though the Rockets will push hard against this trade demand and maintain that posture until it finally yields some worthwhile offers, their deal sending Robert Covington to Portland made it pretty clear Harden is going to get moved at least by the next trade deadline.
Wait what?I dont know that a Kemba, Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Theis starting 5 nets even a top 4 or 5 seed next year, and I suspect Danny knows this.
Well they were a 4 seed last year and Miami and the Nets will be much better than last season, and the only team above the Celtics that may be worse is Toronto.Wait what?
they were a 3 seed...and its nuts to suggest this group won't be better with the leaps Tatum/Brown are makingWell they were a 4 seed last year and Miami and the Nets will be much better than last season, and the only team above the Celtics that may be worse is Toronto.
Boy, I couldn't disagree with this take more. I could certainly see Boston finishing behind Brooklyn, Milwaukee and/or Miami, but I think that's making a lot of assumptions about the Nets, with or without Harden, and about Butler's ability to continue to play at an elite level. If Brooklyn gets Harden, that means Philly didn't, and they've already missed out on CP3. You think Philly jumps Boston? Is Toronto's aging core going to be enough to stay in front of the C's? Is Indiana making some kind of leap in this scenario? I don't see it at all.I dont know that a Kemba, Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Theis starting 5 nets even a top 4 or 5 seed next year, and I suspect Danny knows this.
And like MIA, BOS would also be a better team with an improved Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Williams, etcWell they were a 4 seed last year and Miami and the Nets will be much better than last season, and the only team above the Celtics that may be worse is Toronto.
You're right, I was looking at 2018-2019 not 2019-2020 because Google is great like that.they were a 3 seed...and its nuts to suggest this group won't be better with the leaps Tatum/Brown are making
And for all the handwringing the Port Cellar seems to be doing about Kemba's age and injury history, it's worth remembering that Kevin Durant is coming back from a catastrophic injury, and Kyrie Irving hasn't exactly been a bastion of health recently himself. Additionally, while I'm bullish on the Heat, Jimmy Butler has a) immolated two franchises on his way out the door, b) is 31 years old and c) hasn't exactly been an iron man throughout his NBA career, with a lot of seasons under his belt where he only played 65-67 games.And like MIA, BOS would also be a better team with an improved Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Williams, etc
I didnt say that. I said that staying generally flat as a 3 seed when others are making moves to improve MAY make it hard to stay in the top 4 or 5. I think people expect Tatum and Brown to grow exponentially every single year and that somehow compensates. It may, but I dont know that for a fact.Well, at least we're not a bunch of homers.
You heard it here first--Celtics are a 6 seed now.
Draft is tonight, with other roster churn to occur in the next day or two. Then we'll know what we have or haven't done to improve the team.I didnt say that. I said that staying generally flat as a 3 seed when others are making moves to improve MAY make it hard to stay in the top 4 or 5. I think people expect Tatum and Brown to grow exponentially every single year and that somehow compensates. It may, but I dont know that for a fact.
So far, isn't it more accurate to say we have others making a move? Milwaukee undeniably got better. What else has changed?I didnt say that. I said that staying generally flat as a 3 seed when others are making moves to improve MAY make it hard to stay in the top 4 or 5.
the playoff roster doesn't need to be set by tomorrowI didnt say that. I said that staying generally flat as a 3 seed when others are making moves to improve MAY make it hard to stay in the top 4 or 5. I think people expect Tatum and Brown to grow exponentially every single year and that somehow compensates. It may, but I dont know that for a fact.
I understand. And I am not closing the door on a title, not will Danny if it doesnt work out. But I do believe he wants to upgrade signficantly with a high end veteran or an elite rookie (which is a now thing) which is why he is being so active here.the playoff roster doesn't need to be set by tomorrow
with all the volatility over the next 24hrs, adding time value to the Hayward option was smartI understand. And I am not closing the door on a title, not will Danny if it doesnt work out. But I do believe he wants to upgrade signficantly with a high end veteran or an elite rookie (which is a now thing) which is why he is being so active here.
how are you ranking players?This team is not winning a title without a top 10 player. It just doesn't happen in the NBA. Tatum is a top 25 guy and would make an excellent #2. Danny should be doing everything in his power to land an elite talent. Anything short of that, we're looking at another 'nice season' where it's clear they are not a real contender for a title.