Celtics trade Rondo to Dallas
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Of course it's a big compliment of Bradley, and it takes a mighty uncharitable reading of his quote to think it's anything but.
Dumb comment to make because he had to know it'd be taken out of context. Still, his defense had slipped in recent years. Saying this doesn't help the perception.
Clearly there are props to bradley, but IMO leaders don't hide. And leaders try. And I am clearly irritated that this is how his tenure ended.
This team was never going to be a contender at the same time Rondo was around. So it was right to trade him and his effort level didn't change that.
But it did hurt his trade value so the Celts got little back.
From Rondo's point of view that's actually a good thing, perhaps- his destination team kept more assets so he is now playing on a better team than if he was traded for a huge haul.
How would Boston have capitalized on what they thought was a good player who was slacking on a bad team? Danny should have traded Rondo for only an option: "we'll give you Rondo for free, just take back salary in return, but if he makes the all-star team or you make the NBA finals you owe us two first rounders."
But it did hurt his trade value so the Celts got little back.
From Rondo's point of view that's actually a good thing, perhaps- his destination team kept more assets so he is now playing on a better team than if he was traded for a huge haul.
How would Boston have capitalized on what they thought was a good player who was slacking on a bad team? Danny should have traded Rondo for only an option: "we'll give you Rondo for free, just take back salary in return, but if he makes the all-star team or you make the NBA finals you owe us two first rounders."
Devizier said:
Yeah I think Rondo's comment intended to be a compliment to Bradley and some gentle self-deprecation of himself, but in doing so he let slip some truth that doesn't reflect well on himself.
9 games into Dallas and, as a long-time Rondo defender, it pains me to say that he's been bad. mea culpa. I think he's trying harder. He's noticeably better than the last couple years but nowhere near peak Rondo years. I'm rooting for him to get better but the early returns are mediocre.
He had 7 turnovers tonight. He is an upgrade over Nelson easily but that is not saying much.ALiveH said:
Meanwhile, 9 games in, I am confident in saying that Jae Crowder was a useful get for the Celtics. He would have fit in absolutely perfectly on the 2010-2012 Celtics that desperately needed energy guys off the bench behind Pierce and Allen. Crowder is averaging 6.7 points and 2.8 rebounds in 16 minutes a game, and has not even shot the three well yet. Most importantly, he plays extremely hard and appears willing to call out his teammates. I have been a long time Green defender and fan, but it is noticeable how much more active the Celtics are defensively and on the glass when Crowder is in for Green. Crowder is a restricted FA this summer, but I think Ainge will definitely try to keep him around.
Meanwhile, Wright is not playing and will surely be traded at the deadline.
Meanwhile, Wright is not playing and will surely be traded at the deadline.
So a little removed from the trade and some things surprised me. Nelson I thought would be serviceable and he isn't even close. Wright was a terrible fit but I think that guy can do some things. Crowder is fun to watch and I hope he sticks.
People seemed to think Rondo made Zeller but that appears to have been selling Zeller short. Bradley also seems better as does Turner.
Green was awful post trade but that may have been the rumors of his trade bothering his game.
People seemed to think Rondo made Zeller but that appears to have been selling Zeller short. Bradley also seems better as does Turner.
Green was awful post trade but that may have been the rumors of his trade bothering his game.
One thing that has surprised me, he's been a major defensive asset for Dallas. I knew he'd be an improvement from Nelson, but not as big as he has.10 points per hundred possessions is massive.
Rondo, since he personally shellacked the Celtics on his return to Boston, he has really dropped off a cliff. Since that night, Rondo has had games in which he shot:
2 for 6 with 4 points
1 for 13 with 2 points
3 for 7 with 6 points (and 7 turnovers as an added bonus), and,
1 for 11 with 2 points.
A total of 7 for 39 in shooting over those 4 games.
However, he was brought to Dallas more to bolster the defense than the offense. And, at least the team defensive numbers show improvement. (Though, whether this is strictly Rondo or not I don't know.)
Prior to the trade Dallas was 19-8. They had the highest scoring offense (110 points) and most efficient (48% shooting). They were 7th in assists (23.6).
Post trade Dallas has gone 7-4. They have scored 105.7 points per game (7th) and their FG% has dropped to 46% (9th)
Defensively pre-trade they were giving up the 7th most points in the league (102.7) on 45.7% shooting.
Defensively post-trade they are giving up the 9th most points in the league (101.9) on 44% shooting.
So, a bit worse on offense. A bit better on defense. Come the playoffs, when defense rules, this may be an advantage. And maybe "Playoff Rondo" (TM) will make an appearance.
2 for 6 with 4 points
1 for 13 with 2 points
3 for 7 with 6 points (and 7 turnovers as an added bonus), and,
1 for 11 with 2 points.
A total of 7 for 39 in shooting over those 4 games.
However, he was brought to Dallas more to bolster the defense than the offense. And, at least the team defensive numbers show improvement. (Though, whether this is strictly Rondo or not I don't know.)
Prior to the trade Dallas was 19-8. They had the highest scoring offense (110 points) and most efficient (48% shooting). They were 7th in assists (23.6).
Post trade Dallas has gone 7-4. They have scored 105.7 points per game (7th) and their FG% has dropped to 46% (9th)
Defensively pre-trade they were giving up the 7th most points in the league (102.7) on 45.7% shooting.
Defensively post-trade they are giving up the 9th most points in the league (101.9) on 44% shooting.
So, a bit worse on offense. A bit better on defense. Come the playoffs, when defense rules, this may be an advantage. And maybe "Playoff Rondo" (TM) will make an appearance.
Giving up 120 pts to the Clippers isn't good defense. Yes, he was an upgrade to their prior talent level but I still think he's a bad fit for that team which was a very efficient offense before he got there. Is he slowing down Westbrook, Paul, Parker etc. in the playoffs? No way.
Where does Rondo rank in the West PG hierarchy? I have him below westbrook, curry, paul, parker, lillard, conley, and dragic. I might have bledsoe ranked above him too
Consensus seems to be that the trade hurt Dallas, but more because of what they lost and not Rondo's play in particular. Basically, the trade panned out exactly how most anticipated it to: Rondo hurt their offense (scoring at about 107/100 now vs. 115/100 prior) but helped their defense. Biggest issue has been their bench though, which suffered with the loss of Wright & Crowder. Not exactly Rondo's fault, but Dallas has definitely struggled since then.Papelbon's Poutine said:
Rondo has played about as many games with Dallas this season as with Boston (21 vs 22). Rondo's play has been about the same as it was in Boston, although his assist total is down significantly. His free throw shooting is still unacceptably bad (below 30%), so his attitude towards practice hasn't changed very much.
He was 0-6 shooting w zero points and 5 TO's in a loss the other night. Apparently he has some type of "facial injury" that is going to land him on the shelf.Papelbon said:
So not much different of an impact than Jameer Nelson. The more things change the more they remain the same.....it's been his calling card for years.
He does have the distinction of the only guy in the league shooting better from 3 than from the line.lexrageorge said:
I'd say his offense has been much the same ( better from 3 and less assists, but similar), his defense has definitely been a step up.
Rondo's back from the injury, but the Dallas media are down on him: http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=dallasmavericks&id=4704658&city=dallas&src=desktop
The article puts down his defense and his scoring and lists all the PGs the Mavs could have gotten at the deadline.
Interesting nugget: Rondo is working on his shot with Dirk's shooting coach.
The article puts down his defense and his scoring and lists all the PGs the Mavs could have gotten at the deadline.
Interesting nugget: Rondo is working on his shot with Dirk's shooting coach.
How quickly they found out how overrated he is just after we once again win more games once he's out of our lineup. Can't get anything past those Mavericks fans. Those contract negotiations should be very interesting.crystalline said:
Rondo just got a full on yelling from Rick Carlisle, and probably lost his job to Devin Harris, who led the Mavericks to a come-back win over the Raptors while Rondo was nailed to the bench.
Carlisle wanted to push the pace against the Raptors, and Rondo was walking it up.
Carlisle wanted to push the pace against the Raptors, and Rondo was walking it up.
You're saying you would take Rondo over all but 3-4 of these guys?BigSoxFan said:
My answer was going to be, "All but maybe 3-4 of these guys."
Ed Hillel said:
Carlisle is one of the more well respected coaches in the league. At some point, the line is crossed from simple immaturity to outright petulance. I've always grouped Rondo in the first category, one which is hardly unique to Rondo. Paul Pierce had issues early on in Boston, and both KG and Ray Allen had their dust ups early in their careers as well. But at 29 more is expected.
The fact that Rondo is shooting 31% from the free throw line is a damning indictment of his overall attitude towards improving his game.
Seems like just yesterday it was pretty much myself and the late Brick riding the post-Pierce/KG Rondo being a colossal trainwreck. Hop on and enjoy the ride guys!! It's bound to be entertaining!
HomeRunBaker said:
What does Rondo being a jerk in Dallas have anything to do with the C's, other than not having to deal with the apparent headache any longer? Would you have preferred Danny keep Rondo around during the rebuild?
HomeRunBaker said:
Over the last 3 years, I"m not sure there has ever been a majority of posters here who were pro-Rondo. It just so happened that the most vocal of the anti-Rondo posters also happened to approach every discussion as if it were he against the world.
And keep in mind that 5 of those 21 made threes came against Boston in his 29-point return game. So, absent of that game, he's 16-59 (27%) from three this year .BigSoxFan said:
This is super disappointing to me. His performances at the tail end of the Big 3 were legendary. I guess I just expected him to hit those highs again on a fresh team with actual nba talent. It's going to be very interesting to see what he gets paid.
Koufax said:
Yeah, but they're dumb. The number should be substantially higher, I think. Westbrook, Curry, Irving, Paul, Conley, Lillard, Lowry, Knight, Wall, Dragic, Bledsoe, Teague, Thomas, Lawson, Walker, and Parker seem like pretty obvious choices. That's 17. Rondo's in the next tier with guys like Rose, Jennings, Reggie Jackson, Deron Williams, MCW, Schroeder, and Elfrid Peyton. In some cases, in that tier, you might opt for potential over Rondo and in others you might opt for the guys who have been hamstrung by injury, but none of those guys seem like really clear cut choices to me. Either way, I don't think he's a top 15 PG anymore and could very well be pushed out of the top 20 if a couple of guys get/stay healthy and some young players pan out.