CFB 2023 Conference Championships: A thread enjoying five major conference championship games for the last time

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Yea, the CFP rankings. If two conference teams finish 7 and 10 are they going to manipulate the rankings to avoid the matchup or not? It’s not like the ncaa basketball tournament where you can put a team in a different bracket but on the same seed line. Only so much you can do with 8 teams.
I don't think it'll happen, especially if the B1G and SEC are consistently putting 3-4 teams into the playoff. You simply can't avoid conference matchups even in the 1st round with only 12 teams making it. Even if you do, the quarters would be full of them and is that better?
 

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There are two structural problems baked in:

1) 5 P5 conferences for 4 slots
2) conference championship games, which despite the name don’t seem to fully convince. A championship game by definition should be weighted 100% to 0% vs the regular season but nobody believes that, ie UGA is getting serious consideration whereas a true title game would knock them out, but Iowa would have had no shot if it had pulled off an upset. So they’re not “championship” games per se, they’re “really important games but we’re not quuuuittte sure how much to weigh them vs a regular season game” - the question of how to weigh a dominant teams loss in a “championship” game vs another dominant teams early season loss to a meh team will never go away.

#1 will be solved by going to 8 schools. #2 is not going anywhere.
It’s 12 teams when they expand , isn’t it?
 

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Of course there's only so much you can do. But to the extent it can be done, the committee will do it. That's why they exist. Otherwise we could just be using the AP or the old BCS rankings.
 

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As a BC fan, I think the committee should put the most weight on the fact that FSU nearly lost to BC WITH Jordan Travis. That’s damn near disqualifying.
 

Ale Xander

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Michigan
Washington
Florida State
Texas…………….. If competitive integrity and fairness are the metric (I know), this is an easy call. Texas beat Alabama head to head, in Tuscaloosa. Case closed. I’m sure others are right, and the committee will factor money, ratings, not wanting to piss off the almighty SEC, etc. But in terms of on the field results, this is a no brainer.
I think this is right
The regular season has to mean something
FSU has to get credit for scheduling and beating LSU (just as LSU is getting credit as a 3 loss team)
And no SEC teams this year will just fire them up in recruiting and otherwise to be the best conference for another 10 years straight.
 

Ale Xander

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Top 4 conference champs get the byes.
Top group of 5 champ gets an auto bid.
Likely looking at something like this.

5 Alabama vs 12 Liberty
6 Georgia vs 11 Ole Miss
7 Ohio State vs 10 Penn St
8 Missouri vs 9 Oregon
I would switch 10 and 11, partly since tOSU and PsU already played
 

Ale Xander

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Texas beat Bama by 10 in Bama’s house. Why isn’t it clear cut that they’re better? They literally proved they were better. Yes, they lost Brooks but Baxter and the other RBs have picked up the slack.
Best/deepest RB’s in the nation. No Brooks should mean nothing. Results on the field should mean everything.
 

Ale Xander

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Yea, the CFP rankings. If two conference teams finish 7 and 10 are they going to manipulate the rankings to avoid the matchup or not? It’s not like the ncaa basketball tournament where you can put a team in a different bracket but on the same seed line. Only so much you can do with 8 teams.
They give teams in March Madness different seeds all the time for “better” matchups
 

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The second best ACC team lost to Pittsburgh.
Eh, the second best ACC team is probably NC State or Clemson. The unbalanced scheduling really helped out Louisville this year.
Results matter but so does reality. FSU’s 55 yards passing with their current QB against Louisville would get them boat raced by either Alabama or Georgia. If we were talking about an FSU team with Jordan Travis, they are legitimately a top 4 team. This current FSU squad is not.
The QB that played last night would not be playing in the playoffs. Travis won't be there, but it would be the backup, not the third stringer they had last night.
 

Ale Xander

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Eh, the second best ACC team is probably NC State or Clemson. The unbalanced scheduling really helped out Louisville this year.

The QB that played last night would not be playing in the playoffs. Travis won't be there, but it would be the backup, not the third stringer they had last night.
Toughest ACC opponent FSU played, based on final score, was BC so 2nd best team in ACC is BC

(Or maybe Miami if you severely overvalue Alumni home field advantage and undervaluethe historic in-state rivalry FSU has with Miami)
 

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Eh, the second best ACC team is probably NC State or Clemson. The unbalanced scheduling really helped out Louisville this year.

The QB that played last night would not be playing in the playoffs. Travis won't be there, but it would be the backup, not the third stringer they had last night.
My point is that Florida State was fortunate to play Louisville yesterday to give them their undefeated season. If they had played any of the other teams on the bubble, they would gotten smoked.
 

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My point is that Florida State was fortunate to play Louisville yesterday to give them their undefeated season. If they had played any of the other teams on the bubble, they would gotten smoked.
Great, why is Michigan so obviously in, then?
 

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My point is that Florida State was fortunate to play Louisville yesterday to give them their undefeated season. If they had played any of the other teams on the bubble, they would gotten smoked.
Wonder how FSU would have done against Georgia yesterday?
 

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Great, why is Michigan so obviously in, then?
Because they played their defacto championship game the week before against a top 3 team. FSU struggled to beat a team that lost to Kentucky the week before, a Kentucky team that Bama beat (on the road) by 28 and Georgia beat by 38.
 

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Because they played their defacto championship game the week before against a top 3 team. FSU struggled to beat a team that lost to Kentucky the week before, a Kentucky team that Bama beat (on the road) by 28 and Georgia beat by 38.
Yes but FSU beat VT by 22. VT beat UVA. UVA beat UNC. UNC beat Minnesota by 18 and Minnesota beat Iowa. So by the transitive property, Iowa isn’t that good.
 

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Outside of neurosis, I don’t understand why anyone believes Texas is at risk. To me, it is obviously between Bama and FSU.
 

luckiestman

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Because they played their defacto championship game the week before against a top 3 team. FSU struggled to beat a team that lost to Kentucky the week before, a Kentucky team that Bama beat (on the road) by 28 and Georgia beat by 38.
Great, now go check tOSU schedule and tell me why Michigan barely beating them is impressive. tOSU best win is Penn State, Penn State has zero good wins and their coach got fired.
 

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Eh, the second best ACC team is probably NC State or Clemson. The unbalanced scheduling really helped out Louisville this year.

The QB that played last night would not be playing in the playoffs. Travis won't be there, but it would be the backup, not the third stringer they had last night.
Thank Christ.
 

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Great, now go check tOSU schedule and tell me why Michigan barely beating them is impressive. tOSU best win is Penn State, Penn State has zero good wins and their offensive coordinator got fired.
FTFY, James Franklin is still there and absolutely salivating at the prospect of a 12 team playoff taking the heat of him.
 

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The QB that played last night would not be playing in the playoffs. Travis won't be there, but it would be the backup, not the third stringer they had last night.
This seems to be very important. They won with their third stringer who won’t be playing in the semis. And the backup has a month to prepare. I’d expect FSU to be competitive if they get the chance.
 

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1: Michigan
2: Washington
3: Florida State
4: *Alabama (I love Bama, but this should be Texas)

I haven’t seen a team come into Tuscaloosa and put a serious beatdown on Bama like that in a long while. And that final score line was not indicative on how lopsided that game was. That was week 2, but it should mean more and should be the tiebreaker.

Bama’ beating Georgia should also have a lot of value. Beating a #1 Georgia, ending a 29-game winning streak, on their way to a 3-peat. Neutral field, but that game was played in Atlanta and was full of Georgia fans.

You can’t leave FSU out. They went undefeated and if they don’t get in, then this whole thing is a sham. Obviously, FSU doesn’t have Jordan Travis anymore, but they can’t be left out in the cold.

Texas is probably playing the best football as of late and I’d like to see how they’d do in this, but I don’t think there is a chance in hell that the SEC is not represented here.

Bring on the 12-team tournament so this stuff can be put to bed.


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1: Michigan
2: Washington
3: Florida State
4: *Alabama (I love Bama, but this should be Texas)

I haven’t seen a team come into Tuscaloosa and put a serious beatdown on Bama like that in a long while. And that final score line was not an indicative on how lopsided that game was That was week 2, but it should mean more and should be the tiebreaker

Bama’ beating Georgia should also have a lot of value. Beating a #1 Georgia, ending a 29-game winning streak, on their way to a 3-peat. Neutral field, but that game was played in Atlanta and was full of Georgia fans.

You can’t leave FSU out. They went undefeated and if they don’t get in, then this whole thing is a sham. Obviously, FSU doesn’t have Jordan Travis anymore, but they can’t be left out in the cold.

Texas is probably playing the best football as of late and I’d like to see how they’d do in this, but I don’t think there is a chance in hell that the SEC is not represented here.

Bring on the 12-team tournament so this stuff can be put to bed.
I agree except I think FSU is 4th seed.
 

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I agree except I think FSU is 4th seed.
I agree with you that the SEC was down this year, but that’s relative…the ACC’s second best team was really Clemson, a 4 loss team. That conference was seriously flawed and an undefeated ACC record isn’t what it appears.
 

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I read on X that the entire SEC’s best OOC win is Louisville, is that correct?

I just want my comedy talkings points lined up for when I get fucked over
 

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I read on X that the entire SEC’s best OOC win is Louisville, is that correct?

I just want my comedy talkings points lined up for when I get fucked over
Odd that teams get huge credit for an OOC win against the SEC, but having an 8-0 record against SEC teams is dismissed.