Championship Weekend: Chiefs @ Ravens, Lions @ 49ers

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I don’t have a problem with Campbell going for 4th when he twice could have kicked FGs. The fumble and dropped Reynolds passes were awful for them. Running on the last drive was a poor decision, but the time out was the worst of them all. It reeked of a failure to understand the consequences of a likely outcome (i.e., not making the TD while the clock continued to run) and how (not) to react to that outcome (by calling a desperately needed time out).
This is where I am too.
 

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They can't actually burn all the time with the 2 timeouts and like 50s on the clock without running plays
Not true at all. In fact, with max protection Purdy would be able to burn MORE time than running to the line and being immediately tackled. This was as bad of clock management as one can fathom while taking unnecessary risk.
 

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I guess this all depends on how you feel about Shanahan vs the Harbaughs but watching John crash today and see someone other than Jim taking SF to the SuperBowl - it’s not nothing
 

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I think they should have kicked to go up 27-10 because that would have changed SF's playcalling and maybe you get another Purdy turnover. Of course they had one anyways on the deep throw anyways and it became a game-defining bad stroke of luck.

If you kick to tie it at 27-27, I felt like there was a risk of SF just running the clock out and scoring, but the downside alternative of going down two scores probably means they should have kicked there, too.
 

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Hoping Deebo is fully healed and CMC neck stinger is no big deal. And Thuney make it back. Will be more fun if everyone is relatively full strength.
 

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I don’t have a problem with Campbell going for 4th when he twice could have kicked FGs. The fumble and dropped Reynolds passes were awful for them. Running on the last drive was a poor decision, but the time out was the worst of them all. It reeked of a failure to understand the consequences of a likely outcome (i.e., not making the TD while the clock continued to run) and how (not) to react to that outcome (by calling a desperately needed time out).

I have assumed to this point that Campbell was consulting a football version of a blackjack cheat sheet when making 4th-down decisions. What transpired with that run call and timeout makes me wonder. I’d be interested in whether he addresses that sequence.
Yeah, the risk/reward for running on 3rd down wasn’t there. With onside kicks only being converted at a 5% clip, you must keep all three timeouts and preserve the option to kick deep, even if you thought you had a materially better chance to score on 3rd down with a run than a pass.
 

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I don’t have a problem with Campbell going for 4th when he twice could have kicked FGs. The fumble and dropped Reynolds passes were awful for them. Running on the last drive was a poor decision, but the time out was the worst of them all. It reeked of a failure to understand the consequences of a likely outcome (i.e., not making the TD while the clock continued to run) and how (not) to react to that outcome (by calling a desperately needed time out).

I have assumed to this point that Campbell was consulting a football version of a blackjack cheat sheet when making 4th-down decisions. What transpired with that run call and timeout makes me wonder. I’d be interested in whether he addresses that sequence.
He's all about doing the opposite of what's expected.. so he ended up just being consistent.
 

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If I’m Mayo I’m taking a few bites at the apple at QB in the draft. You never know who might be the next Purdy vs the next Trey Lance
 

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The Niners defend differently if they’re up 7 instead of 10. No telling what would’ve happened.
Bingo. I’m already hearing those around me all saying “All they had to do was kick one of the FG’s!”……yeah, that’s not how it works.
 

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Of all the bad decisions the Lions made, that run attempt on 3rd and goal is just mindbogglingly stupid

The chances of recovering an onside kick are so incredibly low these days that you have to keep all three time outs for defense.

Game got too big for Campbell.
Agree. Although wouldn’t it have been wunderkind Ben Johnson who made that decision?
 

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It’s possible the HC says run it and the OC picks the best call for a run. No idea if that was the case tonight.
I guess anything is possible. But if Campbell is calling plays in a moment like that then I don’t know why Johnson is such a hot HC candidate.
 

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Bingo. I’m already hearing those around me all saying “All they had to do was kick one of the FG’s!”……yeah, that’s not how it works.
Sure but as pointed out upthread, if the Lions had kicked the FG to go up 27-10 with 6:58 to go in the third, the Niners probably run their offense differently than they did only down two scores. Plus who knows what kind of calming effect that might have had on the Lions players on both sides of the ball. Instead Campbell was like a basketball coach who refuses to take a TO when the other team is on a huge run. Just getting any points in the period of the game when the Niners were coming back could have had a stabilizing effect on his team.
 

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Sure but as pointed out upthread, if the Lions had kicked the FG to go up 27-10 with 6:58 to go in the third, the Niners probably run their offense differently than they did only down two scores. Plus who knows what kind of calming effect that might have had on the Lions players on both sides of the ball. Instead Campbell was like a basketball coach who refuses to take a TO when the other team is on a huge run. Just getting any points in the period of the game when the Niners were coming back could have had a stabilizing effect on his team.
The important point here is three makes you up by three scores on the road lateish in the third quarter. And prevents any big momentum shift. To me, it’s a no brainer. But also it’s not a given that your kicker makes it I guess.
 

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Sure but as pointed out upthread, if the Lions had kicked the FG to go up 27-10 with 6:58 to go in the third, the Niners probably run their offense differently than they did only down two scores. Plus who knows what kind of calming effect that might have had on the Lions players on both sides of the ball. Instead Campbell was like a basketball coach who refuses to take a TO when the other team is on a huge run. Just getting any points in the period of the game when the Niners were coming back could have had a stabilizing effect on his team.
It’s funny you say this, because I’m pretty sure there’s no evidence that calling timeout to settle down the team works in basketball at the professional level.

Do the Niners abandon the run if they’re down 17 instead of 14 midway through the third quarter? Perhaps. But I don’t believe for a second that the Lions would’ve played better than they did, or that the Niners would’ve played worse.
 

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To me, it’s a high risk as in momentum shift and still up by two scores vs. medium reward, we make the first down but are still 20 yards from scoring a td. Its like Campbell decided that this moment was the biggest moment in the game and yet up by 14 he didn’t have to decide that.
 

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Everyone can second guess the coaching decisions, but that Aiyuk catch was what changed everything. God couldn’t allow the Lions to win this game
 

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Obviously, a lot of focus on the Campbell's decisions (he definitely should have kicked to go up 3 scores). But Gibbs fumble on the opening play after the 49'ers started their comeback was probably the true turning point. Even getting a few more plays out of that drive for the Lions likely results in a very different 2nd half for Detroit (especially if they were up 3 scores).
 

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One last shot at Campbell--if he's so damn aggressive, why not go for two after the last TD? Had the onsides kick been recovered, the objective would have been to get into range for a game-tying FG. But why settle for that, if your philosophy is to take bold risks to win instead of playing it safe or "smart"?

The only reason is because he knew if the Lions failed to convert the two-pointer, the game is over, so he wanted to do what was smart to extend their chances in the game. But that thinking is exactly why, down three, you kick a FG! Because that protects your team from finding itself down two scores instead of one the next time it sees the ball.
 

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Line moving toward the Chiefs. I think the Chiefs will do enough on defense and Purdy has been getting a little lucky not to get picked off. Chief’s coverage looked great today.
 

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Obviously, a lot of focus on the Campbell's decisions (he definitely should have kicked to go up 3 scores). But Gibbs fumble on the opening play after the 49'ers started their comeback was probably the true turning point. Even getting a few more plays out of that drive for the Lions likely results in a very different 2nd half for Detroit (especially if they were up 3 scores).
Yes, that was the Hightower sack/forced fumble of their comeback.
 

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Not true at all. In fact, with max protection Purdy would be able to burn MORE time than running to the line and being immediately tackled. This was as bad of clock management as one can fathom while taking unnecessary risk.
I said they had to run plays. I didn't say they had to run the ball. You proposed running different plays. I am confused.
 

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Purdy in the second half is exactly who he needs to be. He needs to make those annoying ass Mahomes scrambles for 10-20 yard chunks when there's nothing there. He was way too tight in the playoffs until that point. Those stupid yards are exactly what Kyle's offense needs to go from good to very fucking good.
 

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To answer the burning question asked earlier, Japan is 17 hours AHEAD of Las Vegas and flight time is around 12 and a half hours. So Taylor Swift can get to Vegas literally the same night as she performs in Japan. You are welcome...
 

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To answer the burning question asked earlier, Japan is 17 hours AHEAD of Las Vegas and flight time is around 12 and a half hours. So Taylor Swift can get to Vegas literally the same night as she performs in Japan. You are welcome...
But is Brock Purdy elite?
 

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I said they had to run plays. I didn't say they had to run the ball. You proposed running different plays. I am confused.
Yes, you said that in response to the poster asking why not take knees…..when all they had to do WAS take knees while burning a few seconds in the backfield without the risk of the defense creating a fumble. What is confusing?