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Conference Realignment Thread
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And a gigantic, unwieldy basketball league consisting of over 20 basketball teams. Good luck getting the automatic bid out of that one.
I could see the SoCon pilfering a couple of schools from the CAA if the Colonial falls apart (James Madison or UNC Wilmington might be good geographic fits), or I could see them plugging holes with smaller schools if Davidson or CoC leave for the CAA, but I'd be shocked if they willingly joined with a conference that has a handful of schools in Maryland, New York, and points north.
Several of the schools in SoCon are small schools (<2,200 students, in the cases of Citadel, Wofford, and Davidson) that nevertheless field a full complement of D1 teams, which means that a huge percentage of their student bodies (20% or more in some instances) are student athletes. If those schools moved to leagues where they had to travel more (schools in the SoCon are basically all within driving distance of each other), it would likely have a detrimental effect on the academics of a huge proportion of their students. Also, increased travel is hugely expensive. What's the benefit?
I should also add that as someone who works at a SoCon school, I haven't heard a word about merging with the CAA.
I was going to write a longer post about why this makes no sense from the SoCon's perspective, but I figured I'd steal from RedOctober's article above:
I've heard the Ivy League is considering inviting Penn and expanding to eight.
In this piece (linked by Clears in the BCS Deathmarch thread), Clay Travis suggests the following:
* FSU and either Miami or Clemson to the Big 12 (once again making it a 12-team league).
* Va Tech & NC St to the SEC (making it a 16-team conference).
* Maryland, Virginia and GA Tech to the Big Ten (where a 4th school would get them to 16).
Not sure why he's assuming the Big 12 will stop at adding only 2 ACC teams. Why not move to 14, especially since rumors persist that they'll pursue Louisville and another team (likely Cinci, with Notre Dame an outside shot) from the Big East? Sure, there'd be extra mouths to split the revenue pie with, but this is the only way for the conference to actually grow its overall revenues and remain competitive with what's sure to become 16-team set-ups in the Big Ten and SEC.
I also wouldn't just assume GT would head to the Big Ten. The Atlanta market is going to be just as appealing to the Big 12, so I'd expect a bidding war of sorts. And if FSU, Miami and Clemson all jump to the Big 12, I believe the Yellow Jackets will join them.
So if the Big Ten loses the GT sweepstakes, wouldn't North Carolina be an ideal fit for them? In fact, wouldn't the BT just rather say "fuck you" to Notre Dame, and put on the full-court press for both GT and UNC? Adding them plus MD and VA would create a monster that would also blow the SEC out of the water in basketball while remaining solidly competitive in football.
Regardless, the subsequent battle royale between the Big East and what's left of the ACC is going to be tremendous theater. The specter of Cuse and Pitt deciding to remain in the BE to avoid the exit fees would thicken the plot nicely.
Meanwhile, Duke and Wake Forest appear certain to get fucked no matter what. They're going to wind up in an ugly C-USAish version of the Big East, or remain in an ACC that will look pretty much like the Big East of 3 years ago. The only question is whether or not the Tar Heels will be bending over alongside them.
* FSU and either Miami or Clemson to the Big 12 (once again making it a 12-team league).
* Va Tech & NC St to the SEC (making it a 16-team conference).
* Maryland, Virginia and GA Tech to the Big Ten (where a 4th school would get them to 16).
Not sure why he's assuming the Big 12 will stop at adding only 2 ACC teams. Why not move to 14, especially since rumors persist that they'll pursue Louisville and another team (likely Cinci, with Notre Dame an outside shot) from the Big East? Sure, there'd be extra mouths to split the revenue pie with, but this is the only way for the conference to actually grow its overall revenues and remain competitive with what's sure to become 16-team set-ups in the Big Ten and SEC.
I also wouldn't just assume GT would head to the Big Ten. The Atlanta market is going to be just as appealing to the Big 12, so I'd expect a bidding war of sorts. And if FSU, Miami and Clemson all jump to the Big 12, I believe the Yellow Jackets will join them.
So if the Big Ten loses the GT sweepstakes, wouldn't North Carolina be an ideal fit for them? In fact, wouldn't the BT just rather say "fuck you" to Notre Dame, and put on the full-court press for both GT and UNC? Adding them plus MD and VA would create a monster that would also blow the SEC out of the water in basketball while remaining solidly competitive in football.
Regardless, the subsequent battle royale between the Big East and what's left of the ACC is going to be tremendous theater. The specter of Cuse and Pitt deciding to remain in the BE to avoid the exit fees would thicken the plot nicely.
Meanwhile, Duke and Wake Forest appear certain to get fucked no matter what. They're going to wind up in an ugly C-USAish version of the Big East, or remain in an ACC that will look pretty much like the Big East of 3 years ago. The only question is whether or not the Tar Heels will be bending over alongside them.
This is naive, but I'd hope the Big 12 maintains some geographic consistency. If there is going to be expansion, I'd rather have Louisville, ND (duh), Virginia Tech, Pitt, or Maryland (all to varying degreees) over getting into Florida/Georgia. The southeastern ACC teams obviuosly are more of a draw for football, but there's something to be said about having as much culturally in common as possible plus the chance ot actually do a road trip to another school in conference.
I said this in the other thread but if the Big 12 does dig into the ACC, I think it grabs Georgia Tech, FSU, Miami, and Clemson. Louisville and Cincinnati are far less appealing then those pieces of meat.
Grabbing those four put the Big 12 right in the prime recruiting territories of Georgia and Florida (Clemson is about 90 minute drive from Athens).
I still think Duke and UNC are appealing pieces for both the Big 10 and Big 12 as Basketball assets as a package.
Not so sure Louisville's far less appealing, and that the Cards should be lumped in with Cincy. Louisville would be a nice basketball add, and for a conference that's seen KU win outright or at least share eight consecutive Big 12 regular-season championships, adding a school like Louisville with all its history to compete with the Jayhawks makes perfect sense. And like Georgia Tech, FSU, Miami, and Clemson, it's in SEC territory. I would go for Louisville as a bridge between the old Big 8 schools (KU, K-State, Iowa State) and WVU over Miami, which would be redundant if they land FSU.
Why wouldn't the Big 12 want into SEC territory? That is their main competition.
FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, and Miami don't fit with the rest of the ACC with possibly the exception of BC which sucks right now at everything but hockey.
SEC isn't really interested adding any of those four.
FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, and Miami don't fit with the rest of the ACC with possibly the exception of BC which sucks right now at everything but hockey.
SEC isn't really interested adding any of those four.
AAU membership seems highly overrated in these conversations (e.g. Nebraska's no longer in the AAU while Duke is, but we know which one the B1G wants) and often depends on the intricacies of things like whether your medical school is incorporated separately or part of the main campus, rather than anything actually related to how good an academic and research institution it is.
Why wouldn't the SEC grab Florida St. and Clemson? FSU gives them a stranglehold on the Florida market, and Clemson is a more attractive target than people here appreciate. Maybe substitute Va. Tech for one of those, but considering VT needed UVA to throw its weight around to get into the ACC, I suspect VT wouldn't deliver as much to the SEC's bottom line as those others.
There are two separate questions here:
1. Is the Nebraska move is an anomaly, or does it signal that academic pedigree isn't as important to the Big Ten as it once was?
2. To the extent academic pedigree still matters, is AAU membership still a good proxy for that?
To a greater extent than the other conferences, the Big Ten can afford to wait. (The SEC is dealing from a position of strength also, but they're running out of good football schools in their geographic home turf.)
If geographic consistency is your concern, Florida State, Clemson, and Georgia Tech are closer to Big 12 country than Virginia Tech, Pitt, or Maryland (WVU aside, obviously, but it's not geographically consistent with the Big 12 at all). Florida State and GaTech are both closer to Lawrence, KS than Maryland is. And all three of Clemson/FSU/GaTech are closer to Oklahoma, OK State, Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, and TCU than Virginia Tech is, with Maryland and Pitt both even further away than VaTech.
Has it ever been a good proxy for academic pedigree? It's a measure of federal research dollars, but with some odd rules around agricultural grants (to exclude pure land-grant colleges) and affected highly by your organizational structure. If you aren't research-focused, you won't be in the AAU no matter how good a school you are, and public universities (which tend to get a lot more grants than private schools) are highly overrepresented in the AAU. Dartmouth, Georgetown, and Notre Dame aren't in while Rutgers, Stony Brook, and the University of Colorado at Boulder are. Not that the latter are bad schools but most people would put the first trio a pretty fair distance ahead academically.
Florida and South Carolina don't want to split their portion of the SEC media contract pies with their in-state rivals, and because they add nothing to the conference in terms of new markets. You can't sell conference strength to a recruit against your rival when your rival joins your conference, and the SEC wants more breadth than depth in media markets, since it's not like they are hurting for eyeballs in those states.
I'd put Stony Brook pretty high academically on a lot of lists especially anything medically-related.
While I agree that any of the 4 ACC schools would be better adds than either Big East school (Louisville's hoops prominence notwithstanding), they could actually grab all 6 schools to get to a 16-team conference.
EAST
Cincinnati
Clemson
Florida St
Georgia Tech
Iowa State
Louisville
Miami FL
West Virginia
WEST
Baylor
Kansas
Kansas St
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
Texas
Texas Tech
TCU
The Big Ten would probably become:
LEADERS
Maryland
Indiana
North Carolina
Notre Dame/Rutgers
Ohio St
Penn St
Purdue
Virginia
LEGENDS
Illinois
Iowa
Michigan
Michigan St
Minnesota
Northwestern
Nebraska
Wisconsin
Like I said, none of the latter 3 are slouches. But even in their absolute wheelhouse most people would still put them behind Georgetown and Dartmouth I suspect (e.g. US News has Dartmouth #31, Georgetown #49, Stony Brook #57 for med school). Reasonable minds can certainly disagree about that ranking, but as overall academics in all fields go it'd be unusual (though not insane) to argue that Stony Brook's a better academic institution than Dartmouth is, and the overall point is that AAU schools are pretty much measured by research grant funding and not by how good they are as academic institutions.
I think that applies more to GT than Clemson or FSU, and I was answering a question specifically about those two. Perhaps Clemson is close enough to concern Georgia, I'm not certain on that one.
Brown Dog if you are adding Louisville and Cincinnati for hoops, wouldn't you rather add Duke and Wake Forest?
I know that UF doesn't want FSU in the SEC. I just don't think UF could realistically block FSU when push came to shove, provided the rest of the conference thought adding FSU was the right move.
But don't loyalties shift radically at the state line?
I don't have data, but I was figuring Clemson was the #1 program in the Charlotte market (which straddles the state line), the #3 program in Atlanta (behind UGA and GT), and no worse than #2 anywhere in South Carolina, including a runaway #1 in the fast-growing I-85 corridor. They have a history of strong football and consistently sell out a 80,000-seat stadium (which may be expanded soon, iirc).
I don't know how that compares financially to VT, which has less history and broader but more shallow support. Sure, VT is a no-brainer if you think they can bring markets like Richmond, Va. Beach, and even Washington into the SEC's grasp. I'm highly skeptical that VT has that sort of pull -- Washington is functionally a northeastern market (not a CFB hotbed, plus support divided among several teams), Richmond is UVA country, and I don't know how much pull VT has in Va. Beach, several hours away from campus.
I doubt that especially Alabama. Clemson is the biggest team in much of the Northeast of Georgia and has much larger bleed into Georgia than Auburn. Clemson is geographically a lot closer to Atlanta than Auburn is.
Clemson would benefit the Big 12 (except Texas) 3 - 5 million per a team. It would cost ACC over 2 million per a team per a year to lose Clemson. Only FSU has better numbers.
Losing just Clemson and FSU would cost the ACC over 4 million per a team per a year. Add Miami and VTech or Georgia Tech and the ACC is dead.
The real fun comes with BC, Syracuse, and Pittsburgh. Do they have to go back hat in hand to Big East?
Losing just Clemson and FSU would cost the ACC over 4 million per a team per a year. Add Miami and VTech or Georgia Tech and the ACC is dead.
The real fun comes with BC, Syracuse, and Pittsburgh. Do they have to go back hat in hand to Big East?
I could see adding one or the other, but not both. Other than being travel partners, they bring nothing else to the table as a pair, and they'd be duplicating market exposure in Raleigh/Charlotte.
But yeah, Louisville and Duke would probably be better additions than Louisville and Cinci. However I don't want to understate the importance of the Big 12 being able to sell its conference in the Cinci market. Even if the Bearcats football team blows, the Big 12 as a whole would gain visibility and a recruiting presence in Ohio where the Big Ten, Big East and Notre Dame are by far the primary options. Hell, even the MAC gets more top Ohio football players than the Big 12 does.
This was definitely the case during my 7 years in ATL, though I moved back north 9 years ago so the demo might have changed. Bama and Auburn did get a lot of chatter on 790 The Zone, as did Tennessee and Florida, but that's because of the dominant UGA fan base. The SEC absolutely rules that city, but I ran into more actual Clemson fans than those of any other non-Georgia school except the Volunteers.
And by the way, Georgia Tech football is a total afterthought in Atlanta. But put them in the Big 12 and I'm certain that changes.
Clemson breaks the ice. Let the games begin...
Board of Trustees chairman says they're open to offers
Board of Trustees chairman says they're open to offers
In terms of both driving distance and miles, Auburn is actually a bit closer to Atlanta than Clemson. I've been in Atlanta for two and a half years, so maybe the recent success of Alabama, Auburn, and the SEC in general is skewing my viewpoint.
Where does BC end up? I mean there is no way they are let back into the Big East right? I can see Syracuse and Pittsburgh being let back but BC? I guess they can play in the MAC with UMass.
This brings up an interesting question I haven't seen a ton of talk on. What in the world happens to the WAC's non-football sports starting in '13-'14? If I'm right as of now they have Idaho, Seattle, Denver, New Mexico State and Boise (who may or may not be headed to the Big West with SDSU). I've been rebuffed in interview attempts with Denver (a no comment) and no answers from Seattle, Idaho and NMSU. Wouldn't the conference lose its autobid status if they don't gain members?
2 hours and 12 minutes From Atlanta to Clemson (124 miles)
2 hours and 30 minutes From Atlanta to Auburn (145 miles)
So I was wrong about it being a lot. I spent most of my time in Athens so it probably skewed my views.
But after SEC football (Georgia dominates sports talk in Atlanta), Clemson is probably stronger than Georgia Tech throughout the state. It is has a much stronger alumni base.
Death Valley dwarves Bobby Dodd in size. It is not even close.
Pretty much. VaTech is about as big as any college football program in DC (Penn State is the other big one, and Maryland in the rare year that they're competitive). But it is very much divided loyalties in a town that watches football on Sundays.
VaTech's athletic director:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/hokies-journal/post/virginia-tech-ad-hokies-are-happy-where-we-are-in-the-acc/2012/05/24/gJQAHUK4mU_blog.html
Without sidetracking the larger discussion I'll just add that VTech would absolutely bring the Tidewater market (Va Beach, Norfolk, Chesapeake, etc) with it. That area produces a ton of talent and the Hokies mine more than their share of it. It's a more significant market than it seems, too, because it's a number of independent cities and not one big one.
Yup, so they'll probably look to recruit D-II programs to move up to D-1. That's what the Southland is doing now, not that it's in any danger of losing its auto-bid, but they're covering their bases in the event any more current members decide to jump to FBS (6 schools have stadiums holding 12k or more, and most are expansion-ready). Texas State and UTSA have already made that move, and TX-Arlington is moving to the Sun Belt as a non-FB school.
The latest: They're sending visitation teams to New Orleans (a D-1 non-FB independent) plus Abilene Christian & San Antonio-based University of the Incarnate Word (both D-II football and basketball schools in the Lone Star Conference). Abilene was a Southland member from 1963-73. No word on whether UNO would be starting up a FB program. Regardless, the Southland appears poised to become the Big 12 of FCS.
This is what gets me, everything is so football centric (yes I understand that's where a ton of $$$ is) but what about the viability of the rest of the athletic departments at Albilene, Incarnate Word, etc. how many times has it happened in recent years that schools have tried to go D1 only to have to drop back down or in 1 case (Morris Brown College) close its doors (granted that had more to do with losing accreditation and a financial aid scandal). But Centenary, Birmingham Southern and Winston Salem State come to mind and of course UNO thought about it as well. It may work for football for these schools, but at the expense of the rest of the athletic department?
This is true, although lately it seems UVA is back to bringing in the talent from that area. There's also ODU, which is moving up to FBS, which may take some of the Tech and UVA depth away from them to get a shot at starting there.
The AAU qualifier is really not meaningful anymore. In fact, with grant money drying up, the AAU has less impact than ever and actually needs to eliminate schools (AAU is really a lobbying group for research grants from the govt).
In other news, Miami today they are committed to the ACC. Why? Becasue no one wants them. The Big12 wants FSU and ND and Clemson and then a fourth if they get ND. VaTech saying they are happy is funny because they have to bolt to keep their football relevent. No way the SEC takes UVa, just like no way the SEC takes Duke if they go after UNC. bye-bye rivalries. also rumors that the Big East schools who left to go to the ACC are now prettying themselves up to go to the Big10. BC, Syracuse and Pitt are all trying to go in that direction. Rutgers and Uconn are also doing the same. I have no clue if the Big10 would want any of them (I doubt it, but if big10 wants ND, then ND may want a NY presence so they can play in the meadowlands every year). also, as was mentioned above, Syracuse and Pitt could be paying the Big East $25M to leave only to be basically in the same conference a year later. ridiculous stuff.
the good news is that it seems a lot of this nonsense will be resolved this summer. Unless ND holds out, then it will be partially done and the new playoff format will be finalized, and eventually ND will realzie that the superconferences are forcing them in by forcing them out.
Davidson likely not leaving SoCo for CAA.
http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2012-05-26/bob-mckillop-davidson-unlikely-to-leave-southern-for-caa
http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2012-05-26/bob-mckillop-davidson-unlikely-to-leave-southern-for-caa
Why not? Aside from your comical hatred of the school? If this whole idiotic maneuvering has shown over the past year or so, it's all about the money and while BC does suck right now, it can still bring in some money, probably more so than the likes if USF and those other random Big East schools.
And by idiotic I mean annoying since I would rather just worry about the actual teams that are being fielded instead of wondering whether or not some school doing x will cause y and the 8 million other scenarios that have been thrown out there that have largely proven to be complete and utter horseshit. And no I'm not just bitter because BC is getting left behind. This whole thing makes college sports in general less fun to follow.
I think UNC/Duke are a package deal. For basketball they are Red Sox/Yankees level rivalry. I know a lot of other rivalries have disappeared, but those are the only two CBB games that get nationwide attention every year.
Like Texas/Oklahoma sticking with the Big 12, UNC/Duke are the big fish in the ACC, and I don't think it'd be worth giving up that kind of control. They get to dictate the future of the conference, and at least for basketball that future is still good.
Chances are the ACC survives while the Big East crumbles. The bigger worry for the ACC is, if they get poached, that there aren't enough schools in the Big East worth poaching.
Let's say the three neighboring conferences go whole hog on the ACC
Big 12: FSU, GTech, Clemson, Pitt
SEC: VTech, NC St
BigTen: Syracuse
Let's also say that Big 12 goes after Cincy/Louisville, and ND goes to Big10. The only programs left for the ACC that would be worth going after are UConn, Rutgers, Temple (maybe) and USF (maybe). (I picked these four since they are the only four schools left with any kind of history in a BCS-level conference). Market-wise these are good gets, basketball stays great, football stays above the Mendoza line, and they get ready-made travel partnerships (BC/UConn, Rutgers/Temple, USF/Miami), but the ACC would still only have 11 schools.
They'd have to really hope the Big12 stops at 14, and doesn't take Cincy/Louisville. Otherwise it's pretty slim pickings. I don't think UNC/Duke would go for schools like SMU or Houston. Maybe ECU to replace NC St. Or Navy.
If the above, or really any of the other scenarios posted upthread happens, Big East football is finished and basketball likely has to extricate itself from long-distance deadweight like UCF and SMU, whose old conferences would gladly take them back. This is basically a shell game where 65 schools in 6 conferences become 67-68 schools in 5 conferences. The only real winners in this wave of realignment are Utah, TCU and maybe Temple. Timing is everything.
Like Texas/Oklahoma sticking with the Big 12, UNC/Duke are the big fish in the ACC, and I don't think it'd be worth giving up that kind of control. They get to dictate the future of the conference, and at least for basketball that future is still good.
Chances are the ACC survives while the Big East crumbles. The bigger worry for the ACC is, if they get poached, that there aren't enough schools in the Big East worth poaching.
Let's say the three neighboring conferences go whole hog on the ACC
Big 12: FSU, GTech, Clemson, Pitt
SEC: VTech, NC St
BigTen: Syracuse
Let's also say that Big 12 goes after Cincy/Louisville, and ND goes to Big10. The only programs left for the ACC that would be worth going after are UConn, Rutgers, Temple (maybe) and USF (maybe). (I picked these four since they are the only four schools left with any kind of history in a BCS-level conference). Market-wise these are good gets, basketball stays great, football stays above the Mendoza line, and they get ready-made travel partnerships (BC/UConn, Rutgers/Temple, USF/Miami), but the ACC would still only have 11 schools.
They'd have to really hope the Big12 stops at 14, and doesn't take Cincy/Louisville. Otherwise it's pretty slim pickings. I don't think UNC/Duke would go for schools like SMU or Houston. Maybe ECU to replace NC St. Or Navy.
If the above, or really any of the other scenarios posted upthread happens, Big East football is finished and basketball likely has to extricate itself from long-distance deadweight like UCF and SMU, whose old conferences would gladly take them back. This is basically a shell game where 65 schools in 6 conferences become 67-68 schools in 5 conferences. The only real winners in this wave of realignment are Utah, TCU and maybe Temple. Timing is everything.
The problem with that is the television contract gets decimated. If VTech, GTech, Clemson, and FSU leave the ACC the television contract would be cut drastically. FSU and Clemson count for about 1/4 of the ACC's value. If what you proposed happened the ACC with its current contract with ESPN would be paying teams at best 8 million a year.
The Big East at least can try to get NBC's new sports network to bid. They are not going to get back to 14.4 million ESPN offered but the Big East will end up making more than decimated ACC.
Edit - ACC's new deal says they get 17.1 million a year but would go down below 12 million with the loss of just Clemson and FSU. You lose around 2 million for each of Miami, VTech, and UNC that leaves.
Also BC is the least valuable team in the ACC. Wake Forest and them almost bring nothing to the table in viewership. The next smallest team in ACC, Maryland, is more valuable than the two of them combined.
At least BC is on the inside looking out, as opposed to UConn who is on the outside, looking in. I would rather be at the feast and have the last seat at the table than be out in the hallway pandering to get a seat...and everyone walking past me. If you think BC and Wake bring nothing to the table, and you may have a small point when it comes to television ratings, they obviously (at least in BC's case) carry a lot of weight in that league as they seem to have been the obstacle that kept UConn out of the ACC. And the football teams, despite thier lousy conditions today, were pretty competitive within a weak ACC by collectively playing in 3 ACCCGs and Wake played in the Orange Bowl. UConn? yes, they went to the Fiesta as we all know, but again as a result of playing in yet another weak football conference. I gave them props on the UConn thread back then, but like BC and Wake, they seem to have not been able to sustain it, they too have appeared to regress to an average D1 football program.
You have to stop thinking hoops has any releveance to any of this realignment stuff...it doesn't. BC gave the ACC a 12th team to start a Championship game, and at the end of the day, it stands in overall better shape than UConn, as far as its athletic future in D1 is concerned. If you could change places on the athletic landscape with BC and UConn, given that the ACC has a TV deal in place, is fully capable of reaching out to other D1 programs to expand the league should the FL schools and or Clemson leave (bear in mind Clemson originally was in the SEC, and to dismiss the ability of the ACC to grab a team out of the SEC or perhaps going after another team in the South or Northeast is shortsighted, just look at the Big 12 today), I think you would say BC. Your hatred and jealousy of BC is so transparent it is laughable. Hartford is the #30 TV market in the US, Boston is #7, metro DC is #8, Raleigh-Durham is #24. Wake is #25 in the US News and World Report natonal rankings, BC is #31, UConn is #58. I think BC and Wake bring a lot to the table. They bring as much if not more than UConn. So if BC and Wake are nothing, I guess that makes UConn nothing as well. If you want to compare apples to apples its UConn and Maryland. But if you think the ACC would somehow drop the Terps for UConn or bring in another Maryland type I think you are wrong. Come up with a better game plan as to why UConn should supplant current and in some cases longstanding members of the ACC.
I am a Notre Dame football fan (I am actually a fan of BC hockey). Why in God's green earth would I be jealous of BC? Flutie Flakes?
I am not a big fan of ACC outside of VTech and Clemson. I am praying Clemson gets a reprieve from the ACC.
Beyond that, marking the market sizes is stupid. Why? Because no one in Boston watches college football. They are awful in ratings not only nationally but also locally. The ACC bet that bringing a better football product would increase BC's ratings. They have in fact gone down.
In terms of value ( it breaks down to:
FSU
Clemson
Miami
VTech
UNC
Georgia Tech
Duke
NC State
UVA
Maryland
Wake Forest
BC
The first group is were all the value of the ACC lies.
The second group doesn't add the to the value of the league but also doesn't take away.
The third group is the teams that slightly take value away from the league.
The final two are less valuable together than any other team.
The ratings for Wake Forest and BC are horrible. BC is 10th worst football program in terms of ratings in the ACC and 12th in basketball. The only reason BC beat Wake Forest in football was because it gets much bigger out of conference games.
BC's ratings were worse than more than half of the new Big Mess
College on the East Coast is dead. The Florida-Georgia game is the only relevant college game played within 50 miles of the Atlantic. Everything else at this point is a joke. Maybe Miami can revive itself outside of the ACC
I am not a big fan of ACC outside of VTech and Clemson. I am praying Clemson gets a reprieve from the ACC.
Beyond that, marking the market sizes is stupid. Why? Because no one in Boston watches college football. They are awful in ratings not only nationally but also locally. The ACC bet that bringing a better football product would increase BC's ratings. They have in fact gone down.
In terms of value ( it breaks down to:
FSU
Clemson
Miami
VTech
UNC
Georgia Tech
Duke
NC State
UVA
Maryland
Wake Forest
BC
The first group is were all the value of the ACC lies.
The second group doesn't add the to the value of the league but also doesn't take away.
The third group is the teams that slightly take value away from the league.
The final two are less valuable together than any other team.
The ratings for Wake Forest and BC are horrible. BC is 10th worst football program in terms of ratings in the ACC and 12th in basketball. The only reason BC beat Wake Forest in football was because it gets much bigger out of conference games.
BC's ratings were worse than more than half of the new Big Mess
College on the East Coast is dead. The Florida-Georgia game is the only relevant college game played within 50 miles of the Atlantic. Everything else at this point is a joke. Maybe Miami can revive itself outside of the ACC