That's not how I remember it. They flexed their muscles so VT wouldn't be left behind In the Big East. I think they would be fine with Virginia in Big 10 and VT in SEC.
Conference Realignment Thread
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I think this is true. As long as neither one of them gets left out in the dark, I think they'll be o.k. if they are split.
Seriously. Virginia and NC legislatures go from having their state schools in the ACC to having them in the SEC and Big 10. Cha ching
Why wouldn't the B12 take Miami? And since this realignment has become entirely about greed and ego, I suspect they'd want to get to 16 to match the B1G and SEC, so they'd probably take Louisville and some other school too (Cincy?).
Which would then leave my Orange in an absolutely dreadful spot with BC, UConn, Duke and Wake. If this were to happen I'd probably advocate them forming as small of a football league as possible just to survive, de-emphasize the sport and focus on hoops. So maybe a conference of...
Football:
Syracuse
BC
UConn
Temple
Duke
Wake Forest
Navy
Army
Hoops:
Syracuse
BC
UConn
Temple
Duke
Wake Forest
Georgetown
St. John's
Villanova
Seton Hall
Providence
Marquette
DePaul
Ugh, I'm nauseous just thinking about it.
How radioactive is Miami right now? Isn't the NCAA chasing down all the players involved in the latest scandal telling them if they don't testify than that shady booster's story sticks?
Not to mention their on-the-field performance is light years behind what it was supposed to be
Not to mention their on-the-field performance is light years behind what it was supposed to be
This is probably off topic, and I know it would never happen, but in an ideal world you let the football schools create whatever the hell type of conferences they want. Go crazy making a 64 team system.
Then all other sports including basketball have their own, more regionalized conferences. Football is ruining the stability of all sports (and yes I know football helps pay for most of the other sports). I always think of today's ACC, where the diving team of BC, or softball team has to go to Miami once a year. You'd save millions in travel alone to regionalize all non football athletics.
I imagine they're hoping that by self-imposing 2 years of bowl bans the NCAA ends up giving them a USC-esque scholarship reduction, acknowledges time-served for missing bowls, and is done with them.
I can't see Miami not getting an invite to at least the Big 12. They've been down, but they were a premium college football brand for 25+ years. There's value in that. And most importantly, the school is in south Florida. They don't need to drive more than an hour from campus to load up on 4 and 5 star recruits. They'll be back, its a matter of when, not if.
I'm with you. But as these conference create and/or expand TV networks they need content to run from January to June, so hoops and olympic sports become necessary inventory filler.
The BEST thing for the long-term stability of college sports would be to do what Larry Scott (Pac-12 commish) has been advocating. Have the top 65-70 athletic programs split off from the NCAA and form their own league. Let that league negotiate media deals as one entity, and reorganize into divisions that make geographic sense. Then you wouldn't have this eternal conference shuffling, and they'd almost certainly get a more lucrative media deal than doing it the fractured way they are now as competing conferences.
But the same greed and ego that fuels the current system will probably make that impossible to pull off too.
I think you get better balance keeping the MI schools in the west and the Indiana schools in the east. Nebraska, and to a lesser extent, Wisconsin, are the only teams that are a good bet to be consistently strong in your proposed west. After that it's Iowa, and then a bunch of programs that are no stranger to spending multiple seasons at or near the bottom of the conference. That's not to say that the Cats, Illini and Purdue won't have their good seasons, but I think there'd be a lot of seasons that would spark the dreaded "well, the 3rd/4th place team in the east could've won the west easily."
Keep the MI and IN schools where they are, and unless all of the new entrants fall flat on their face, I think you've got better balance. The Indiana schools probably don't offer much to the east, but you've got a professional franchise plus PSU holding down that division, in addition to whomever steps up out of the new guys.
Only problem I could see is OSU not being happy about being lumped into what probably is a more legitimately 'eastern' division than anyone imagined would exist at this point last week, and also being stuck with the two Indiana schools. Indiana shouldn't mind because their football is irrelevant anyway and the prospect of conference hoops games against UNC and Maryland should keep them satisfied (especially if the conference goes to divisions for basketball as well). Purdue may not care for it, but they still get their in-state rival, and also have the basketball considerations.
I love the prospect of playing divisional games every year against the Goofs, Hawkeyes, Cats, Huskers and Illini, with the occasional road game down at UVA or UNC. I still think there are alot of dominoes that need to fall before something like this goes down. But while it would overhaul the face and character of the Big Ten, not hard to see some real positives in it. Especially for Wisconsin.
Oh yeah, and we can ditch the absurd division names and just go with West and East.
I definitely had that in mind with my suggestion. And they'd be on a very lonely island when it comes to football and traditional match-ups. Sure, they'd still get Michigan every year, but the bulk of their schedule would be against new and/or historically mediocre-to-inept schools.
I'm completely on board with this. It's almost as annoying as having sponsors rename historic bowl games to include their own hideous and often ridiculous corporate monikers.
I'm still waiting for some board of dipshits to name their conference's divisions "Power" and "Glory", or something equally wretched.
If the next domino here really is two more ACC teams leaving for the Big Ten, and another two leaving for the SEC, then at that point you're down to 8 schools. At that point, if I'm one of the remaining 9, I would be combing through the conference bylaws and the TV contract with ESPN to find a way to make the ACC disappear entirely along with that TV deal.
If they could get rid of Swofford and his lousy ESPN deal and grab a real player to be the commissioner of a new league, I think they might be able to put together a more attractive arrangement for FSU and Clemson than what the Big XII can offer. You'd have Miami, Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Pitt, Syracuse, BC, Wake, and Duke - some attractive properties and a wide range of pretty large markets in a much tighter geographic area than the Big XII, and without the media market flotsam that the Big XII brings to the table in Iowa State, K State, Texas Tech, etc.
Grab Connecticut to lock down New England's markets, and now maybe you're into a stalemate with the Big XII for a while. Texas and Oklahoma are tremendous football programs, but the depth and media market reach of the new conference would be way stronger.
If they could get rid of Swofford and his lousy ESPN deal and grab a real player to be the commissioner of a new league, I think they might be able to put together a more attractive arrangement for FSU and Clemson than what the Big XII can offer. You'd have Miami, Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Pitt, Syracuse, BC, Wake, and Duke - some attractive properties and a wide range of pretty large markets in a much tighter geographic area than the Big XII, and without the media market flotsam that the Big XII brings to the table in Iowa State, K State, Texas Tech, etc.
Grab Connecticut to lock down New England's markets, and now maybe you're into a stalemate with the Big XII for a while. Texas and Oklahoma are tremendous football programs, but the depth and media market reach of the new conference would be way stronger.
The problem is that schools not currently in the SEC, B1G and Pac-12 are terrified and making snap decisions based on fear and uncertainty. Good luck convincing FSU, Clemson, GaTech and Miami that they should wait it out and see what the ACC can do, when they could just bounce to the Big 12 and get $20 million a year.
It sure looks that way. The big losers, at least in the short term, will be the Georgetowns and Gonzagas that have built elite basketball programs without big time football. Goodbye, billion dollar TV deal that keeps the NCAA running. The NCAA would be doomed without that basketball money, and what we'd probably see down the road is those 64 teams allowing other schools to play with them in basketball, and maybe in other sports as well, but on their terms and with their vision of revenue distribution. Basically, after the dust settled, we would have something similar to what we have now, but without the NCAA, and with the de facto 1-AA cutoff moving from 119 to 64.
That's exactly right - but if you're one of the schools likely to be left behind, you're better off trying to make that proactive play than you are sitting around depending on Swofford to save you.
Agreed. Although I do garner some enjoyment each holiday season when once again reminded that there exists the Beef 'O' Brady's Bowl.
This is nothing but speculation which, coming from me, means it's almost certain to be wrong, but I'd see the next domino as any confirmation that FSU is engaging in talks with the Big 12. Which itself may be predicated upon the resolution of Maryland's exit fee.
While there are almost certainly discussions going on behind the scenes as administrations try to line up life rafts, I think most of the schools in the ACC are willing to stick for the time being. As has been mentioned, in isolation, Maryland's departure is hardly a crippling blow. Certainly not enough to spur any other exits. But if it seems likely another school is bailing, then I think the dominoes start to fall. It sounds like al eyes are on FSU (and to a lesser extent, Clemson) at the moment. Unless they get confirmation behind the scenes that a Florida State move is imminent, I don't think you see UVA or UNC be the next ones out the door. But I would think they'd quickly follow.
And while the FSU/Clemson to the Big 12 is often mentioned as perhaps the most likely next step, I wouldn't be surprised at all to hear that NC State and Va Tech have agreed to join the SEC. Either way, should either of those go down, I think everyone is heading for the exits.
It'll never, ever happen, but it seems to me that if there were a 65-70 school league with geographic divisions and a huge TV deal that they could still keep the other 50 or so FBS schools invested by creating some sort of relegation and promotion system, similar to the EPL. As things stand now, it seems inevitable that there's no real reason for the MAC/Sunbelt type schools to continue funding FBS level programs.
Americans will never do relegation because we like revenue certainty. But, I imagine the media deal an Uber College League could generate would be so valuable that they could essentially buy off the left-outs. I'm guessing that the UCL could give more money to the left-outs than what they're making now from their highly fragmented media deals. Plus the UCL would own a new college hoops tourney, which would throw off another couple billion in revenue.
It actually makes a ton of sense, but I think short-term greed and ego will keep it from ever happening.
I found this amusing
@bradwolverton: Notre Dame president: "We're really happy in the ACC. But I am concerned about continual instability of this conference situation."
@bradwolverton: Notre Dame president: "We're really happy in the ACC. But I am concerned about continual instability of this conference situation."
Is the ACC deal actually that bad? It's $17 million/year per school, compared to $20 million/year for the Big 12 and $19 million for the Pac-12--but those conferences have much, much stronger football programs than the ACC.
There are varying reports, and I don't think any of the numbers are actually public, but the ACC's deal with ESPN locks up way more of the available conference TV inventory than the Pac-12 or Big Ten deals with Fox do. Those conferences retained enough additional games/material to fuel their cable TV networks. The total difference in media revenue is reportedly projected to be more like $40 million/year in the Big Ten versus $20-$25 million in the ACC a few years from now.
the ACC deal is back end loaded, as well
the only way the ACC is not carved up is if ESPN renegotiates. and they have some interest in doing so as they own a bigger part of the ACC than they do the SEC/big10 or big12. Now all you ACC fans know what its like to have been in the Big East the last five years. play with espn and ND and you always get fucked
I think u can make the the ACC deal equal to the Big12 deal if you're ESPN. if not, then this is going to be a crazy month
the only way the ACC is not carved up is if ESPN renegotiates. and they have some interest in doing so as they own a bigger part of the ACC than they do the SEC/big10 or big12. Now all you ACC fans know what its like to have been in the Big East the last five years. play with espn and ND and you always get fucked
I think u can make the the ACC deal equal to the Big12 deal if you're ESPN. if not, then this is going to be a crazy month
one of my fellow old timers might have info, but didn't the Big'uns try something like this back in the 80's called the 'college football association' but the NCAA quickly put a jackboot to the idea
The opposite.
The CFA came about after the Supreme Court ruled the NCAA couldn't force TV deals on its members, rather they were free to negotiate on their own behalf.
I think the CFA included a few dozen schools, but not the Big Ten and PAC 10, who made their own deals. Eventually the whole thing fell apart as all conferences made their own deals.
Blaudschun's got a new article up, says that the ACC held a conference call today to discuss options.
http://ajerseyguy.com
Still thinks UConn is the favorite if they just add 1 for now and a virtual lock if they go for 3 (speculates UConn/Ville/3rd (Cincy or USF?). He says they'll ask ND to go full and will likely be rebuffed (shocker).
Also says a meeting is scheduled for Monday in which a plan of attack could be finalized, so he's got someone in the ACC giving him timelines at least.
http://ajerseyguy.com
Still thinks UConn is the favorite if they just add 1 for now and a virtual lock if they go for 3 (speculates UConn/Ville/3rd (Cincy or USF?). He says they'll ask ND to go full and will likely be rebuffed (shocker).
Also says a meeting is scheduled for Monday in which a plan of attack could be finalized, so he's got someone in the ACC giving him timelines at least.
I've been reading that the ACC is going to invite UConn, Louisville and Cincinnati.
If this happens then its clear that conference expansion has gone completely off the rails. If the ACC was willing to go to 16 why the heck wouldn't they have added Rutgers and UConn a year ago and locked down their presence in the northeast? Or since this signals academics is not important, why didn't they add West Virginia last year?
I can only imagine the league is about to get picked apart by the B1G and SEC.
If this happens then its clear that conference expansion has gone completely off the rails. If the ACC was willing to go to 16 why the heck wouldn't they have added Rutgers and UConn a year ago and locked down their presence in the northeast? Or since this signals academics is not important, why didn't they add West Virginia last year?
I can only imagine the league is about to get picked apart by the B1G and SEC.
If the Big 10 came calling Rutgers would have left the ACC for the Big 10 in a heartbeat too.
Also, if I recall correctly, the ACC wanted to add UConn and one of Cuse or Pitt, can't remember which (I think Cuse), but BC put up a stink. How much of their stink ended up resulting in Pitt getting the nomination, who knows.
Latest rumors have UConn, Louisville and Cincy joining the ACC, possibly to be announced by the end of this week. With Pitt and Syracuse already joining, that will make 17 members for everything except for football, which would be 16 because of Notre Dame. Virginia Tech may leave for the SEC, not sure what ACC would do at that point.
Please provide links or at least mention the sources of any "rumors" in this thread. If it's the bathroom wall at the Sunoco station, or your buddy Murph down at the local watering hole, say so. Thanks in advance.
Sorry, no link. It is being discussed around the office by our CFB reporters and researchers. Seems like its pretty much a done deal, so I'd expect you'll be reading about it very soon.
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If/when VaTech goes to the SEC that sets all the dominoes a-falling. Then UVA has license to join the B1G. Also would figure that mean NC State will join the SEC, to complete the southern footprint for a conference network, and UNC in turn will join the B1G.
Only question at that point is whether FSU, Clemson and GaTech/Miami bolt for the Big 12. The former two seem desperate/stupid enough to do it, but maybe the shadow of the PAC-12 pillaging that league in time will keep them home.
This article makes it sound like the ACC may stick with 14 with UConn still viewed as the leader over Louisville (or a Scott Boras mystery team)
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/jeremy-fowler/21132939/acc-talking-expansion-but-16-teams-unlikely-per-source
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/jeremy-fowler/21132939/acc-talking-expansion-but-16-teams-unlikely-per-source
Well, so much for that. The Pioneers are taking their talents to the Central Time Zone:
Plus their hockey team plays in the WCHA, men's lacrosse in the ECAC, men's soccer and women's lacrosse in the Mountain Pacific Sports Federation, and their ski teams in the Rocky Mountain Intercollegiate Ski Association.
I sure hope that's the truth. But if UVA went to the B1G and VaTech went to the SEC, who'd be upset?
The VA legislature went to huge lengths to get the two into the same conference. I figure the only way they let them split up is if they are a) convinced that the ACC will not exist as a semi-major conference in the near future (very plausible) and; b) convinced that there's no way to move them as a package deal so they both go to the same major conference.
Not impossible, but I can't see them jumping on a split without fully exploring the chance to move them as a package.
How bad of an idea is both going to SEC East (and UVA forming rivalry with Vandy) and Mizzou moving west and reforming rivalry with Arkansas?
Too much of a culture clash with the public Ivy going SEC?
By the way, the WAC still has illusions of remaining an actual D-1 conference in basketball and other sports. Last month they added Cal State-Bakersfield and Utah Valley, and they're reportedly looking at Div II Grand Canyon U. to replace Denver. UV was in the soon-to-be-defunct Great West, while CS-B was slated to be the last remaining independent in D-1 hoops.
Another move from last month: CoC to join the CAA
Another move from last month: CoC to join the CAA
The SEC and B1G don't care about either school, they want to get basic tier subscription rates for their cable networks for homes across the state. IIRC the VA Governor didn't care so much that the schools be in the same conference, rather that VaTech was going to be left behind in a wrecked Big East.
I just think that if both had soft, rich landings no one would put up much of a stink.
I wish one of the dopes would put in an autocorrect to change "B1G" to "that new f-ing stupid Big 10 logo"
Tulane has a big reach into New York and the Jewish community as well as the rest of NE up there already. Moving to the Big East helps solidify those ties even more for recruiting purposes. Still the upcoming instability of the conference makes me question the move for the Green Wave. I guess it's still better CUSA?
And the Big East isn't stopping. East Carolina to Big East for football only.
http://twitter.com/SIPeteThamel/status/273472554755297280
BREAKING: East Carolina will join Big East as football-only in 2014. Tulane in all sports. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/pete_thamel/11/27/big-east-ea …st-carolina/index.html
http://twitter.com/SIPeteThamel/status/273472554755297280
BREAKING: East Carolina will join Big East as football-only in 2014. Tulane in all sports. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/pete_thamel/11/27/big-east-ea …st-carolina/index.html
Not for nothin' but Tulane has a damn good baseball program. Tulane is a really great school. They are building an on campus football stadium and will move most if not all of their games back on campus which is a good thing. I think this is a good move for the Green Wave.
The Cougars have spurned the Big East -- again.
And the Falcons aren't walking through that door either.
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And the Falcons aren't walking through that door either.
Jeremy Fowler