CSI Nevermind--Excuses for Why Patriots Opponents Lose

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Mystic Merlin said:
 
They still lost!  
 
But seriously:  exactly.  Can someone figure out how many times other teams have swept the fucking lockeroom and found 0 evidence of eavesdropping?  
From what it sounds like, this happens several times per season, over multiple seasons.  It's possible that Gillette has been swept 100 times in the past decade, and nothing has ever been found.  Yet, each pronouncement that a team does this is somehow anecdotal evidence of Patriots cheating.
 
"Hey cops, I think my cleaning lady is going to steal some cash from my safe."
"Well, did you count it? Is it all there?"
"Yes."
"And how long has she been employed with you?"
"8 years."
"And how often do you count your money after she leaves?"
"Every time! BECAUSE SHE'S A THIEF!"
"Based on..."
"My irrational conclusion that she is stealing my money, of course!"
 

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@cc660: Did the ny jets asked the #NFL to sweep their locker room for listening devices before last weeks game? YES THEY DID
 
Fools. Of course they didn't find anything. The visitor's locker room at Gillette Stadium has been accoustically desined to funnel all sound through a faux air duct into a secret recording studio for analysis. No electronic bugs in the locker room are necessary.
 

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PFT's got more on the bugs story:
 
 
Boomer Esiason of WFAN reported on his weekday radio show that the Jets asked that their locker room at Gillette Stadium be swept for bugs in advance of Sunday’s game against the Patriots.
 
Contacted by PFT, the Jets declined comment regarding the situation. A source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT that the Jets did not request that the locker room be swept for bugs; however, the source did not deny that the locker room was swept for bugs.
 
The Patriots likewise had no comment on the situation, and the NFL could not immediately be reached for comment.
 
Concerns regarding the presence of bugs in Gillette Stadium locker rooms aren’t new; it was one of the main points made last month in an article from Sports Illustrated regarding suspicions about the Patriots. No listening devices ever have been found in any locker rooms in the Patriots stadium.
 
As one source has explained it to PFT, the Patriots have become concerned that a team eventually will plant bugs on its own and claim that the Patriots put them there. This has prompted the Patriots to ask the league to certify before each game that the visiting locker room is clean before an opposing team enters. Per the source, the NFL has declined to do this.
 
Of course the NFL won't say the locker room is clean. Why would they? Kensil's not letting go of this nonsense that easily.
 
Honest to God the league is on a rampage.
 

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At least the Patriots wised up and at least asked the NFL to certify (even though the NFL denied them) the room was clean because they are afraid of a false flag operation. 
 

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The catch is that it's not the Jets who would install false bugs in the locker room as a false flag operation, it's the fucking league. Kensil would be down there with double-sided tape and 40 feet of Cat-5 if he thought he could stick it to the Pats.
 

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Lots of reasons.
 
1.  It's hard to prove a negative.  
2.  It's not within their area of expertise.
3.  They would be doing something special for the Pats (or else backing into doing this in every stadium).
 

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4. They have zero interest in clearing the Patriots of any suspicion no matter how ridiculous.
 
The league isn't a rational actor. They are out for revenge for looking foolish during Ballghazi. I would put nothing past them.
 

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Koufax said:
Lots of reasons.
 
1.  It's hard to prove a negative.  
2.  It's not within their area of expertise.
3.  They would be doing something special for the Pats (or else backing into doing this in every stadium).
 
Think about #2 for a second.

It'll come to you.
 

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Koufax said:
Lots of reasons.
 
1.  It's hard to prove a negative.  
2.  It's not within their area of expertise.
3.  They would be doing something special for the Pats (or else backing into doing this in every stadium).
 
Right, but the Jets asked them to do it, and they did it. Logically, if the Patriots ask them to do it, then they should do it. All 32 teams are treated the same, right? 
 
Oh. Right. 
 

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Pats should offer each team to split the cost of a sweep operation:  Pats bring in their hired security contractor, visiting team brings in theirs, and together they sweep before and after each game (don't want an outgoing team to leave something that might show up in next week's sweep)
 
I mean, they shouldn't do this, because they shouldn't have to do this.  But that's the only way I feel that might work because the NFL itself seems to have a conflict of interest.  I suppose it could be NFL contractor + Patriots contractor together, as opposed to the other team...
 

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Pats should just do it on their own (hire an independent contractor every week). They need to protect themselves from other teams and, sadly, the league at this point. DTA, baby.
 

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Once again, the entire "bugs in the dressing room" thing is so dumb, even on a strategic level.
 
The Patriots spend 5 days prepping for a team.  Then, in real time during pre-game and at half time, they have 15 minutes to sit, listen to the opposing team make their changes, and then tell their players what to do on both offense and defense, presumably in the last 2-3 minutes of the halftime break (after the other team is finished).  
 
Even if listening in could be accomplished, it would not only not be helpful, it would probably result in the team being more confused and disjointed than before.
 
"Hey, guys, fuck those plays we've been working on all season and adjusted last week.  Here's the new play, you have 20 seconds to memorize it...ok?"
 

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Hire the Mass Staties to do it.
 
Then put out a press release stating so.
 
This Pats paranoia borders on the insane.
THe Mass Staties that Robert Kraft pays double time on Sunday's to for details on Sunday are independent? Conspiracy!!!!!

They're on the payroll Mike!!

Woops went Mazz by mistake.
 

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THe Mass Staties that Robert Kraft pays double time on Sunday's to for details on Sunday are independent? Conspiracy!!!!!

They're on the payroll Mike!!

Woops went Mazz by mistake.
 
Never go full Mazz.
 

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@ProFootballTalk: NFL comment on report of bug sweep: "No such request was made by the Jets." Statement doesn't address whether sweep happened or not.
 

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Install one of these in the visitor locker room.
 
 
this made me laugh, which I know says bad things about my infantile sense of humor....
 

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Updated bug sweep details from Florio/PFT:
 
The NFL has chimed in on the report that the Jets requested a sweep for bugs of their locker room at Gillette Stadium on Sunday.
 
Says league spokesman Brian McCarthy: “No such request was made by the Jets.”
 
That meshes with information PFT previously received from a source with knowledge of the situation. However, PFT has learned that a sweep did in fact occur, regardless of whether the Jets asked for it. The statement from the league doesn’t address whether the sweep happened. Which means that it may have happened, but that the Jets didn’t request it.
 
McCarthy has added more via Twitter, which can be regarded at least as confirmation that a sweep may have happened: “We have for years conducted regular & random checks. We do not get into details of specific games.”
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/10/30/nfl-says-jets-did-not-request-bug-sweep/
 
Sounds like this was driven by NFL Ops -- Kensil/Vincent still looking to exact another pound of flesh from the Patriots.
 

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@ProFootballTalk: NFL comment on report of bug sweep: "No such request was made by the Jets." Statement doesn't address whether sweep happened or not.
11 out of 12 were deflated by 2 lbs.
All Colts balls were okay.
Tom said he only talked to JJ about Super bowl preparation and nothing else...
 
Last one on a document they knew they would be submitting into a legal environment. So yeah... I need a little more before I believe something from the NFL
 

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Or the Patriots.

Just because the NFL told the Patriots no thatthey wouldn't certify it doesn't mean they didn't agree to do it at least for some games.
This is turning into a fucking house of mirrors.

Thanks, NFL
 

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Every week it's always something from some fucking loser.  Meanwhile under the most intense high profile microscope imaginable the Patriots steamroll through the schedule like the other teams are the JV squad.
 
Haters and conspiracy theorists cannot be reasoned with.
 

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Why didn't the Jets just continue to adhere to the Rex Ryan-instituted Gillette locker room policy of speaking in pig latin?
 

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The Patriots should be going third party. If the league organizes a sweep, the other team will know about it. I want the fuckers to get caught in a frame job.
 

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Probably a simple miscommunication:
 
Bowles: All right, look, the Patriots are going to be prepared for everything we've already done. We need to change up the playbook. Put in place a jet sweep.
 
Chan Gailey: On it, boss.
 

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What else are the Patriots doing to prove their innocence?

They're almost certainly video recording the pregame measurements of their football air pressure. Does the new McNally wear a Go-Pro at all times when handling footballs?

Have they hired external security guards to affirm that no papers were removed from the visiting teams locker room pre-game?

Are they putting tracking devices on their video assistants and assistant coaches to prove they aren't spying on practices?

Perhaps they've hired PwC to audit their internal processes and are sending the results to the league and the end of every season?

Maybe Belichick takes a polygraph at the end of every day, simply answering a battery of 123 questions about ways in which he might have cheated.
 

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But wait... why would the NFL need random and regular sweeps for bugs and other such devices if the Patriots are the cheatiest of cheaters and every other team is as pure as the driven snow?
 

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@BenVolin: Story: #Patriots had a second, brief run-in with NFL Security during #Jets game. Employees questioned and cleared http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/10/30/patriots-will-need-settle-center/S6CjFACOLG5KSETWpb3TqJ/story.html

Stop us if you’ve heard this one before — NFL Security got a little suspicious at a Patriots-Jets game.

The league’s security conducted a pregame sweep of the visitor’s locker room for electronic bugs at Gillette Stadium on Oct. 25, and also questioned during the game two Patriots game-day employees who were wearing headsets on the sideline, multiple league sources confirmed to the Globe on Friday.
The sources said NFL Security did not find anything in the locker room sweep, and did not find anything suspicious with the two employees after questioning them on the sideline during the second half. One of the employees works full time with the team and was producing the in-stadium entertainment; the other employee is a local resident and game-day employee who was holding spare batteries and monitoring the communication system between the officials on the field and in the booth upstairs. The matter was closed by the league.

The locker room sweep and employee questioning were unrelated, sources said, and were not initiated by the Jets. New York radio host and former quarterback Boomer Esiason said early Friday on his show that the Jets had requested the locker room be swept for bugs.

Two sources said that each NFL stadium is randomly swept for electronics by NFL Security at least once per season, with the league checking out the visitor’s locker room, the officials’ locker room, testing the visiting team’s headsets to make sure they work properly, and so on.

An NFL spokesman stated that the Jets did not ask for the pregame sweep, and confirmed a random electronics testing program.

“No such request was made by the Jets,” spokesman Brian McCarthy said on Twitter. “We have for years conducted regular & random checks. We do not get into details of specific games.”

Jets-Patriots games are no stranger to investigations, of course. In a Week 1 game at the former Meadowlands Stadium in 2007, the Jets informed NFL Security that the Patriots were videotaping the game from an improper area, leading to the scandal that became Spygate.

Since then, the Patriots have been accused many times of chicanery and gamesmanship at Gillette Stadium, with opposing coaches complaining about faulty headsets and former Colts coach Tony Dungy saying that he used to sweep the visiting locker room for bugs at Gillette. None of the accusations have been proven.
 

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Breaking news: NFL following long-standing game day protocol, learns nothing new.

Edit: beaten sort of
 

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If the story is that no one requested this and the league does routine and random checks... Volin is a bad person.
 
Well, regardless of what is in the story Volin is a bad person.
 

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Guys, Volin may finally have figured out Spygate. Note he says "videotaping the game from an improper area". Progress!!!!
 

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The way I figure it, these fools are adding 3 to 7 points to the point differential each week. Roger's legal brief this week. Now this. In a sane world, the line ought to be 14.5 before all is said and done for the Washington game.

Stars burn themselves out. These guys in the League and the media tools are adding fuel.

This is only party tongue-in-cheek. On a mission.