Dennard Learns About the Law
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Being that AD assaulted a Lincoln cop last year and that AD is from Georgia, what the hell is he doing back in Nebraska? Seems like he should realize that Lincoln is not the place for him to be this offseason. And that's assuming he was able to keep his nose clean and not drive after 6 too many at Brothers.
Tough offseason for sure. For everyone except Felger and those who truly believed that the Patriots held themselves to a higher moral/ethical standard than every other NFL organization when it comes to the guys on their roster.
Tough offseason for sure. For everyone except Felger and those who truly believed that the Patriots held themselves to a higher moral/ethical standard than every other NFL organization when it comes to the guys on their roster.
Morning Woodhead said:
Pats wanted to show this latest development will not distract them from conducting ordinary business.
Ever since Kraft started dating that "actress". . .
And what the fuck does "Stradelle Lane" mean?
At least he refused to do lines with the cop, so he's got that going for him. Which is nice.
And what the fuck does "Stradelle Lane" mean?
At least he refused to do lines with the cop, so he's got that going for him. Which is nice.
MalzoneExpress said:
Who do you think turned the water in Dennard's bottle into wine last night?
Why did the officer need to write in "Go To Court" in the blanks for instances where a waiver is allowed? Doesn't not checking "Waiver Allowed" and checking "You must appear in court" already cover that? Seems like he was being a dick about it.
Morning Woodhead said:
That's what happens when you allow a Head Coach to shop for his own groceries.
If I were a rental car company, I would put the "Closed For Lunch" sign up, every time I saw a NE Patriot walking to the counter.Rudy Pemberton said:
Ed Hillel said:
Better now than after next week, when he's arrested for punching a police horse.
Probably all they had left since the rest of their fleet is impounded as evidenceRudy Pemberton said:
WOW.
Both in the AHern murder thread and Dennard Assualt thread we threw around lines like:
"No way Hernandez can be this stupid this has to be a setup/misunderstanding"
"This Sentence is great as it is essentially a slap on the wrist and will keep Dennard on the straight and narrow".
Point:
Never underestimate the idiocy of NFL Players.
Both in the AHern murder thread and Dennard Assualt thread we threw around lines like:
"No way Hernandez can be this stupid this has to be a setup/misunderstanding"
"This Sentence is great as it is essentially a slap on the wrist and will keep Dennard on the straight and narrow".
Point:
Never underestimate the idiocy of NFL Players.
This isn't an excuse for Dennard (in fact, he should have been smart enough to know this), but the officers in his previous trial had a pretty clear axe to grind against him. What the reason was, I have no idea, but they went out of their way to really try to kill this kid. There's a pretty strong possibility (in my mind anyway) that these cops were just waiting for Dennard to do something dumb. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they found out he was at a bar and waited for him to leave, pulling him over for "Straddling the line". Even if he had 4-5 beers at the bar, he knew he'd fail a breathalyzer (or he contacted his lawyer who told him not to take it), so he refused.
This is all my theory and completely unfounded. He was pulled over and got a DUI because he was "Straddling the lanes" (not because he was speeding or driving recklessly), in the same town where cops had a serious axe to grind with him. This smells a little fishy to me.
Again, not an excuse for him. He could have gotten a taxi, should have been on his best behavior, should not have gone back to the same town, etc etc etc. I'd just like to hear a little more before I join the "cut his stupid ass" bandwagon.
This is all my theory and completely unfounded. He was pulled over and got a DUI because he was "Straddling the lanes" (not because he was speeding or driving recklessly), in the same town where cops had a serious axe to grind with him. This smells a little fishy to me.
Again, not an excuse for him. He could have gotten a taxi, should have been on his best behavior, should not have gone back to the same town, etc etc etc. I'd just like to hear a little more before I join the "cut his stupid ass" bandwagon.
I have a friend who's a cop around here and he boasts that he'll go to a bar and run plates in the parking lot looking for outstanding warrants then wait for them to leave and find a reason to pull them over.Kenny F'ing Powers said:
So, not completely outside of the realm of possibility
Did he have to stay in or around Lincoln for some period of time?
If not ...as KFP said....isnt it likely someone (agent, lawyer, Team rep) might have suggested "look these guys have a serious hard on for you......go visit Atlanta or Dallas or even come back to Foxborough and watch Film."
Why in the hell do you stay around Lincoln? Seems like being there (around the campus where your probably a god...with lots of money...and small enough for the Cops to be able to "target you" as suggested above) was asking for nothing but trouble.
(I admit I have never been....maybe its a great town).
If not ...as KFP said....isnt it likely someone (agent, lawyer, Team rep) might have suggested "look these guys have a serious hard on for you......go visit Atlanta or Dallas or even come back to Foxborough and watch Film."
Why in the hell do you stay around Lincoln? Seems like being there (around the campus where your probably a god...with lots of money...and small enough for the Cops to be able to "target you" as suggested above) was asking for nothing but trouble.
(I admit I have never been....maybe its a great town).
URI said:
True, but you kind of have to play the ball as it lies, right? Not cutting Dennard is potentially an option the other 31 clubs would have in the same situation, but not the Patriots at this moment. What if you don't cut him and he does something stupid, and worse, in the near future? Given the judgment he's already shown, is he a guy you want to make a bet on right now? The storm that would follow if Dennard were to stay on the Patriots and then drive drunk again and hurt someone, or do something equally stupid, is simply not worth the risk. The tailspin would be far worse than it currently is, and it would take a while to recover. One would think he would understand this is strike 2.5. But do you trust him right now?
steveluck7 said:
Honest question - why is that guy your friend? I always hear people relay stories like this from friends of theirs and always wonder this. I don't have any friends who are complete assholes.
I had recalled this from his sentence in April, and found what I was referring to in the other thread:
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/76374-dennard-guilty-of-assault-on-officer-and-resisting-arrest/page-2#entry4633859
According to the terms of his probation any travel other than that between Nebraska and Massachusetts had to be approved. So it was probably easier for him to stick around in Lincoln than seek court approval to return to Georgia.
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/76374-dennard-guilty-of-assault-on-officer-and-resisting-arrest/page-2#entry4633859
According to the terms of his probation any travel other than that between Nebraska and Massachusetts had to be approved. So it was probably easier for him to stick around in Lincoln than seek court approval to return to Georgia.
God forbid he enjoyed his time in college and made friends and didn't just play football and watch tape.fairlee76 said:
cromulence said:
Not sure why this makes the cop an asshole. Not saying reasons should be completely manufactured to pull someone over, but all those not driving drunk have nothing to fear from this guy. Those driving drunk can go fuck themselves. If you have an outstanding warrant, and your car is parked at a bar, and you come out and drive it yourself alone, the probability meter that you're DUI is off the charts. You're obviously not a designated driver, and the fact that you just like the jukebox in that place seems remote. Catch the ones you can catch and make the roads more safe. I have no problem with this.
You beat me to it. I know it's an online board and all, but maybe we should not be so quick to admit that we are friends with assholes. Assholes with badges and raging inferiority complexes and quotas to meet.cromulence said:
TO KFP's point, AD or his reps should been bright enough to avoid Lincoln this summer and maybe forever. What the hell is there that he needs to be there in the offseason? The axe to grind angle definitely makes sense to me given how vindictive the cops in my hometown are.
He was driving a rental car, not his own vehicle with the DENNARD vanity plate and the "I (heart) punching cops" bumper sticker. I find it hard to believe the local Lincoln cops were out looking for him.
cromulence said:
Wow you think a cop who pulls people over with outstanding warrants is an asshole.
Only gonna read your first sentence. That cop is a fucking asshole. Period. He "finds a reason" to pull people over hoping that they might blow a .08 so he can fuck up their lives and get his power trip on. Yes, driving drunk is bad. But let's be real, people can be .08 and totally 100% fine to drive and this guy is going out of his way to fuck with them. He's an asshole.DennyDoyle'sBoil said:
First of all, think about what he said - "outstanding warrants" is obviously bullshit. If they have outstanding warrants, guess what, you don't need a reason to pull them over. This guy is pulling them over for no reason other than he hopes they might blow over the limit. He's a dick.Dan Murfman said:
Which has nothing to do with my point but congratulations on learning to use a keyboard as it appears you are typing just to type at this point.fairlee76 said:
Because it was go there, where he presumably knows some people, or hang out in Massachusetts where he knows minimal people. People realize that football players aren't robots, right?Marbleheader said:
Seriously, every time I make a comment it explodes into something bigger. Oh well. I might just leave this thread, but if I do, I will do so backwards. That, friends, is how we leave places.mandro ramtinez said:
kenneycb said:
And he had to leave Massachusetts, as his fellow criminal Aaron had just gotten pinched and the heat was too much.
/Curran.
In his defense, the city he works in is right on the highway with many hotels / motels and is pretty active in the areas of drug dealing & prostitution... so there is a "keeping the streets clean" element to this practicecromulence said:
Him "finding a reason" to pull people over isn't as nefarious as i may have made it out to be. Hell, we all probably commit a half dozen ""violations" every time we get in the car between seatbelt, speeding, stop sign, running a yellow / red light.
edit: and this is certainly all about the outsanding warrants piece. That's why they run the plates. if not for that, they would just sit and wait to observe suspected DUIs
DennyDoyle'sBoil said:
So essentially we should make different personnel decisions than the other 31 teams because there is heightened media scrutiny. I'm not buying it. If he does something worse in the future, cut him then.
cromulence said:
I don't think it's exploding. It's just a reasonable discussion related to Dennard and how bad this crime is. I don't happen to think cops doing their jobs makes them bad people, and I kind of think you're putting some gloss on steveluck's post to call his friend a bad guy.
I start with the premise: We want to catch as many drunk drivers as possible. It sounds like you think .08 is too low. But that's not the cop's job to make that decision. That's a beef with the legislature. Anyway, if you don't agree with the premise, there's nothing left to discuss, because it's where we disagree.
If you do agree with the premise, how better to do it than to find people who have criminal records who are at bars? Seems like good police work. And if someone is driving erratically in that situation, pull 'em over. If they're not, but there is some other legitimate legal basis to check them out, like expired tags, great. If the police officer is simply lying and has no reason whatsoever to pull the person over, that's wrong and he's an asshole. As I said, I did not read steveluck's post as making this claim.
To me, this is like many DUI discussions. Some people look at it from the perspective of the driver, and imagine themselves in that situation. From that perspective, I guess you come out one way. Others look at it from the perspective of the person in the emergency room waiting area, waiting for the doctor to give them the most important piece of information they will ever receive in their lives. From that perspective, it looks different.
But, it's Nebraska. Fly some people in, go to the Cape. Make some new friends in the process. Nebraska sucks.
Okay. Maybe he was finishing his degree.
And I'm sure a 24 year old large black male would feel totally welcome on the Cape.
Okay. Maybe he was finishing his degree.
And I'm sure a 24 year old large black male would feel totally welcome on the Cape.
Lincoln, at least near the campus, is actually a pretty fun area. Especially on Saturdays in the fall. And I would imagine it would be a pretty nice place to spend some time if you are a former Huskers player now in the NFL.
Now, places like Beatrice, Dwight and Valpariaso, all farm towns that I have been to as well, yeah, there ain't much to do.
Now, places like Beatrice, Dwight and Valpariaso, all farm towns that I have been to as well, yeah, there ain't much to do.
Shelterdog said:
No. If you think the possibility of having a second person on the Patriots' watch with red flags doing something violent or that injures someone would only affect the team in terms of the media's perception, I agree. If you think it would filter down and significantly impact the team's reputation and its play on the field, as I do, then it's a different matter.
DennyDoyle'sBoil said:
Why would it affect the team on the field (other than, obviously, losing a player for a period of time)? I think it would have zero impact.
Shelterdog said:
I believe that negative and relentless media attention -- if the issue is a real one -- is a distraction and the reputational damage to a club makes it harder to maintain an atmosphere conducive to winning. In some circumstances like spygate a good coach can use it as fuel. I think club in general and Belichick in particular sell a certain mentality and ethos to get production from players that makes the difference in the national parity league. I think if, say, Dennard were, say, to drive drunk and hit a Toyota full of cheerleaders, the reputational damage the club would take and the legitimate discussion of the club's decision to retain him would be extremely unlikely not to filter into the team's W-L record.
I'm not entirely sure how the negative media attention, specifically in the AH and Dennard cases, would change the mentality and ethos messages. As Shelter mentions, aside from those players not on the field, the negative media attention isn't going to change the W's and L's at all.
The reputational damage, as it were, is on the individual and not the team.
Case in point, Donte Stallworth was brought back in last season. Did that effect the Pats record at all?
The reputational damage, as it were, is on the individual and not the team.
Case in point, Donte Stallworth was brought back in last season. Did that effect the Pats record at all?
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steveluck7 said:
cromulence said:
fairlee76 said:
He said "outstanding warrants". You know, warrants for their arrest, signed by a judge and all. Not "unpaid parking tickets". If you want to live in a world where cops don't arrest people who have outstanding warrants, move to fucking Somalia. Whether he catches them with a DUI or not, he's doing kinda an important part of his job.
One of my roommates is a cop, whose precinct has a lot of bars in it. He gets puked on by college students, punched in the ribs by drunkenly aggressive bikers, beer thrown at him, etc. Drunks are the bane of most cops' existence. He also goes through unimaginable shit, like cleaning up the foul-smelling human remains of a sidewalk suicide off 50th-floor balconies. The only quotas cops have are traffic tickets; enforcing everything else is just professionalism on their part. Screw you and your prejudice against the people who keep scary retards away from all of us.