Could any of the yankee fans answer this question even somewhat speculatively, has the great success of the team since Jeter went on the DL eroded the idea that he's a necessary component of the team among the fan base and ny media to any degree?
Some. Not much. I think the more he plays, the worse it's going to be for him. It's getting harder to spin his performance.Could any of the yankee fans answer this question even somewhat speculatively, has the great success of the team since Jeter went on the DL eroded the idea that he's a necessary component of the team among the fan base and ny media to any degree?
Does this finally put a dent in his reputation as a team first guy? The mantra for years has been about Jeter never putting himself ahead of the team and only caring about winning. Does his insistence on playing short and leading off in the face of clear evidence that his skills have diminished finally lead to some criticism about his selfishness? It's going to be fascinating to watch.Jeter could give himself such a career reputation boost right now by privately and publicly telling Girardi: "Bat me 9th and let me see if I can hit my way back up to the top." That is what a Captain should do, especially one who's being paid about $10M per year more than his baseball skills deserve, what's left of them.
Anyway, the guy has a .591 OPS against RHP and is likely going to come back to a red hot team and not only lead off against a RHP but also probably DH (!!!). It's hard to ignore that forever, I think the question is when NY inevitably cools down, how much of it will be tied to Captain Counting Stats.
Well, I was right about first game back on the 4th, but he went 0-4. Needs to pick up a couple hits before getting back to the Stade to ensure he reaches 3,000 on this last home stand before the ASB. Let's see if he is pressing today and hacking early in the count....Sounds like they will send him down for a few tune up games in early July according to Cashman's comments in that article elsewhere, and if it responds well, I would assume they will bring him back up around July 4/5 in Cleveland. That gives him two road games+ to maybe pick up 2-3 hits, setting him up for a 4 game set at home against Tampa before the ASB for the big 3,000. If he doesn't get it then, I don't know what - they are on the road for a while after the ASB....
Amusingly one of them was a bunt.He did have two ground ball singles in Trenton, so I'm not convinced he's not in mid season form despite the time off.
How many times did you see him? You may be right in the end, but his range is better than Jeter's and his arm is certainly stronger. He's made quite a few mistakes in his limited time there so far, but that's not something he did in the minors, so it remains to be seen how more playing time will affect his consistency and ability to make plays.Watching Nunez in the field brought back memories of Cesar Crespo in the field for the Red Sox. Nunez might be 'up and down' offensively with a great future ahead, but defensively he is awful. He makes Jeter look like an excellent shortstop by comparison.
I watch the Yankees regularly, and have seen most of his starts since Jeter hit the DL. Maybe it's just a matter of him getting situated playing regularly. He definitely has a strong arm, but accuracy across the diamond leaves a lot to be desired. I'm curious if his plethora of errors in the minors are predominantly throwing errors.How many times did you see him? You may be right in the end, but his range is better than Jeter's and his arm is certainly stronger. He's made quite a few mistakes in his limited time there so far, but that's not something he did in the minors, so it remains to be seen how more playing time will affect his consistency and ability to make plays.
I'm curious how much of this is actually causation and how much is simply correlation. Obviously, some of it is small sample size noise, but think about what Jeter does to that line up, especially being at the top of it. When he's leading off, he's weakening it about as much as he can and that very likely costs them runs on a regular basis. Is he the difference between a .750 winning percentage and a .545? Obviously not. But is it possible that starting Jeter as much as they have (and likely will going forward) could cost them the division?Yankees 36-30 with Jeter starting, 15-5 when he does not.
In the 20 games without Jetes: 5.9 R/g, 3.25 RA/g
With him: 5.01 R/g, 4.02 RA/g
The games he missed were against Texas, Chicago Cubs, Cincinnati, Colorado, Milwaukee, and the Mets.
Bingo. Texas is also the team that got SMOKED at home by the METS - who scored 10+ runs per game almost every game on that 6 game trip in Texas/Detroit so I wouldn't read too much into the comparisons. Granted, the impact of losing Jeter is not what it would have been in 2004 I still cannot see them getting much out of Nunez for an entire season that would make a major difference in their win/loss record.In the 20 games without Jetes: 5.9 R/g, 3.25 RA/g
With him: 5.01 R/g, 4.02 RA/g
The games he missed were against Texas, Chicago Cubs, Cincinnati, Colorado, Milwaukee, and the Mets.
If you buy into Colin Wyers' assertions of range bias by the stringers who record the BIS data then there's really no way that Nuñez could be worse on defense than Jeter. And I really haven't ever seen an adequate explanation or even a reasonable theory for why Jeter makes so many fewer plays a year than other shortstops. The pitchers he's played behind have average ground ball rates and yet year after year Jeter makes far fewer plays than any shortstop in baseball. I think it's entirely plausible that Jeter is around 15 runs per year worse than an average shortstop on defense, if not even worse.how much does any defensive advantage Jeter might have really add up when compared to the half a season's at bats that are left[/b]? Or the 80% or so of the season that Jeter will end up playing when all is said and done?
I think there's a very real chance that playing Jeter every day, especially as the lead off hitter, could cost the Yankees the division.
Any and all of those would be awesome. In your 3rd scenario they would have to stop the game mid-inning to recognize Jeter's "hit".My sick mind suggests these scenarios for Jeter's 3,000th hit:
Option 1--Mishandled, routine infield grounder in the 9th inning of Sunday's game that is ruled a hit and every non-Yankee howls with laughter about the bad decision by the official scorer. The official scorer explains that it was a "bad bounce" but he is the only one who saw it.
Option 2--Slow hit ball to the infield and the throw clearly beats Jeter to first base, but the umpire rules Jeter safe. Replays are undisputable that the throw arrived before Jeter.
Option 3--Close call between a hit or an error in three bouncer to the infield. Initially ruled an error. Later in the game the ruling is changed to a hit (probably the right call). The visiting team is batting at the time the official scorer changes the ruling.
Option 4--Popup to the infield. Confusion results in ball dropping between two infielders who are running away from the ball at the last moment, mistakenly thinking that the other called for the catch. Turns out it was A-Rod who yelled, "I got it!" as he stood on steps of the dugout.
Here's hoping they get to see Jeter's 3000th at the Sept 22 game.I guarantee lots of people scalped tickets at 5X-10X face value for yesterdays game...who now get to watch a Sept 22 O's/Yanks game...
If the Lou Gehrig milestone was any indication the Rays will just suck it up. I doubt they bring a microphone out for him or anything like that.. team will come out hug him long cheers game back on. Then before the tomorrows game (or their next home game) the team will honor him in a real ceremony... that's my guess anyway.Does the opposing team get to participate in the discussion of the on-field celebration? I was thinking, if whoever is pitching for TB has to sit around for 15 minutes waiting to pitch to Granderson, do they have a beef?
Of course, this probably won't be an issue because I can't imagine the Yankees would overdo any Jeter-related celebration.
I concur 100%. Given how insufferable the Yankees are and the heights(depths) of the Jeter adoration, it's amazing how little bile I have for CI. He's carried off his with near-perfect comportment. Now go home!Kudos to Jeter. He plays for the most insufferable team in professional sports, but Jeter's always been a classy player. He deserved to have the moment happen like that.
Seriously? Butch Wynegar. Melido Perez. Those are non-irritating Yankees Hell, even Mattingly was less irritating than Jeter. Resist Jeter apotheosis at all costs We will be listening to this nauseating deification until he goes to the HOF, and even then we'll have to listen to crap about whether he will be the first unanimous vote. I can't wait till he's gone, I've been sick of his shit since 1996.He is after all, one of the least irritating Yankees ever.
He's allegedly been a bit of a diva at times behind the scenes, and his frienemy relationship with A-Rod is high school clique-level immature; but aside from those things, the vast majority of people's distaste for Jeter is generated from actions and words by people who are not Jeter. He's not Joe D.Seriously? Butch Wynegar. Melido Perez. Those are non-irritating Yankees Hell, even Mattingly was less irritating than Jeter. Resist Jeter apotheosis at all costs We will be listening to this nauseating deification until he goes to the HOF, and even then we'll have to listen to crap about whether he will be the first unanimous vote. I can't wait till he's gone, I've been sick of his shit since 1996.
But, congratulations. A heck of a ballplayer, all things considered. It doesn't mean I have to like it, or make simpering happy noises in his direction.
Distaste for Jeter has a lot to do with what he represents. I understand that. It doesn't make my visceral reaction to him, Yankee iconography, or his stupid face any less real or meaningful. Fandom, what makes sports allegiances important and emotionally powerful, is built on representations, not real people. "Jeter" sucks.He's allegedly been a bit of a diva at times behind the scenes, and his frienemy relationship with A-Rod is high school clique-level immature; but aside from those things, the vast majority of people's distaste for Jeter is generated from actions and words by people who are not Jeter. He's not Joe D.