Derrick Rose tears right knee meniscus again

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This really sucks.  Rose makes you appreciate how fortunate some of these superstars are that they manage to string a few healthy seasons together.  
 

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That's a shame, he's got to be done at this point. Given his mindset coming into this season, I wouldn't be shocked to see him retire.
 

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That's a shame, he's got to be done at this point. Given his mindset coming into this season, I wouldn't be shocked to see him retire.
He's only 26 and has over $40m coming to him over the next two seasons. I doubt he is done. I do wonder whether he has some kind of anatomical abnormality that makes him susceptible to knee injuries. This spate of injuries is crazy.
 

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nattysez said:
He's only 26 and has over $40m coming to him over the next two seasons. I doubt he is done. I do wonder whether he has some kind of anatomical abnormality that makes him susceptible to knee injuries. This spate of injuries is crazy.
 
Insurance should cover most, if not all of his salary, right? He was talking earlier this year about life after basketball and he's been pretty timid when it comes to his knees, understandably so. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him retire a rich man and move on in life.
 
It seems they don't even know how he did this, which isn't a great sign.
 
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nattysez said:
He's only 26 and has over $40m coming to him over the next two seasons. I doubt he is done. I do wonder whether he has some kind of anatomical abnormality that makes him susceptible to knee injuries. This spate of injuries is crazy.
One thing I know I was discussing with posters (here maybe) was the concern for knee problems due to the amount of torque he utilizes on his penetrations. I don't think anyone could have predicted this extreme however.
 
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HomeRunBaker said:
One thing I know I was discussing with posters (here maybe) was the concern for knee problems due to the amount of torque he utilizes on his penetrations. I don't think anyone could have predicted this extreme however.
I dont think his torque is that out of line with NBA PG's. What IS out of line is the eggshell matter in his knees. Eggshell must not show up on MRI's it is so brittle.
 

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I believe that Chicago's training staff has the reputation of being extremely questionable, right? I know they really screwed up Deng, and they have been unable to keep Rose on the floor. Somebody comfort Wilbon.
 

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I dont think his torque is that out of line with NBA PG's. What IS out of line is the eggshell matter in his knees. Eggshell must not show up on MRI's it is so brittle.
Not anymore it isn't however look back to when he was at UK or a rookie. Big difference.
 

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Not anymore it isn't however look back to when he was at UK or a rookie. Big difference.
 
Rose went to Memphis but your thought that he threw himself around too much during college and early in his NBA career is interesting.  You also wonder if his recent tendency to be tentative also contributed to his injury.  Either way, it sucks for a guy who was a legit top player in the Association when healthy.
 

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Rose went to Memphis but your thought that he threw himself around too much during college and early in his NBA career is interesting.  You also wonder if his recent tendency to be tentative also contributed to his injury.  Either way, it sucks for a guy who was a legit top player in the Association when healthy.
Duh brain fart I had Calipari on my mind. It wasn't only me and i wasn't the one to bring it up. It was being discussed I do recall though.
 

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Ed Hillel said:
That's a shame, he's got to be done at this point. Given his mindset coming into this season, I wouldn't be shocked to see him retire.
 
It's only his meniscus…. 
 
There are a million ways to tear your meniscus, sometimes they try to sew it back together, and sometimes they just remove the torn portion. Sounds like they tried to repair it already, but it tore again (very common unfortunately, since much of it has poor blood supply).
 
I'd bet this time they just remove the torn portion and it wouldn't shock me if they tell him to rest for 4 weeks and see if he can give it a go (assuming there is nothing else they find during surgery).  You can play pretty easily with a partially or even totally resected meniscus.  The main downside is that he will likely wear down his cartilage faster the more meniscal tissue they have to take out (which is why they probably tried to repair it initially).  But sometimes you just gotta bite the bullet and take it out.  
 
Not great for his chances of avoiding a knee replacement before age 60, but depending on how much they have to remove, it might not be the end of the world for his basketball career.  Lots of athletes play with a portion of their meniscus taken out. 
 

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It's only his meniscus…. 
 
There are a million ways to tear your meniscus, sometimes they try to sew it back together, and sometimes they just remove the torn portion. Sounds like they tried to repair it already, but it tore again (very common unfortunately, since much of it has poor blood supply).
 
I'd bet this time they just remove the torn portion and it wouldn't shock me if they tell him to rest for 4 weeks and see if he can give it a go (assuming there is nothing else they find during surgery).  You can play pretty easily with a partially or even totally resected meniscus.  The main downside is that he will likely wear down his cartilage faster the more meniscal tissue they have to take out (which is why they probably tried to repair it initially).  But sometimes you just gotta bite the bullet and take it out.  
 
Not great for his chances of avoiding a knee replacement before age 60, but depending on how much they have to remove, it might not be the end of the world for his basketball career.  Lots of athletes play with a portion of their meniscus taken out. 
I hope your prognosis for him is accurate.  Love watching him play and he seems like one of the few non-diva superstars in the league.
 
Re: him "throwing himself around" more than other guys his size, I am not sure I buy that argument as an explanation for his injuries.  I can think of a few other smaller guys (Iverson jumps to mind) that took the same type of pounding as Rose and remained relatively healthy into their 30s.  I'd be more inclined to believe an explanation centered on the physiology of his lower body being off in such a way that he puts more than normal stress on his knees.
 

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Well just to clarify, his knee could still be shot. For all we know he has lots of cartilage damage and is heading the way of Amare Stoudamire.

I just mean with respect to this specific meniscus injury, he should be able to come back.... possibly quickly if they just admit defeat and remove the torn portion instead of trying to sew it back together.

The long term prognosis will be determined by how much normal meniscus they leave in, and how much cartilage loss there is, both of which I have no idea about of course.
 

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Duh brain fart I had Calipari on my mind. It wasn't only me and i wasn't the one to bring it up. It was being discussed I do recall though.
I definitely agreed with you. He seemed to use more of a jump stop and change directions, (and often jump back) off the jump and usually do it at top speed it seemed to me. That would seem to be extremely violent on the knees. Much more so than just going off one leg as is traditional on a drive.