Derrick White, On-Off wizard

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Yes. What's the structural reason the Celtics couldn't get there, though, with a few championships? What do the Warriors have that Boston couldn't have?

You want to tell me Tatum couldn't possibly ever be a game changing star the way Steph has been, ok fine, but he can come pretty close.
Are they going to build a brand new arena that they own any time soon?

Also, though I'm not really sure how that directly would add hundreds of millions in revenue that they aren't already getting no I don't think there's really any universe where Tatum could become close to the game changing star that Steph has been. Steph literally changed the entire sport.
 

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The ownership group can always pull a Cuban. Add a deep-pocket partner, realize billions in capital gains, and retain operational control.

There is zero reason not to retain on-court talent when the demand for NBA franchises is off the charts.

The playbook has been put out there if you care to look at who Cuban added
This is the pretty obvious answer. Financial engineering is easy when your equity is up billions.

Add the partners, realize gains, and put the partners on the hook for part of the tax bill.
 

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This is the pretty obvious answer. Financial engineering is easy when your equity is up billions.

Add the partners, realize gains, and put the partners on the hook for part of the tax bill.
Tilman Fertitta, & the Adelson's will do what the Warriors ownership did but on steroids (Arena+Hotel+Gambling). In the meantime, they just need to grease as many Texas Super PACs as possible to get gambling legalized.

Much like Siegfried & Roy, the NBA is the attraction they need.

MGM, Draft Kings, etc would love to get minority/voiceless NBA stakes to property build in Boston, NY, Los Angeles, etc over the next 20 years.
 

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He's back with JJ...

This isn't a guy looking to squeeze every last penny out of the C's

Every NBA team, on a given night, gives the Boston Celtics their best shot...

Derrick's best line:
"I learned about irrational confidence, last year, from" (take a wild guess)
MARCUS SMART


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs-ODELOgDY
 
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White's On-Off/100 relative to the other 7 Celtic regulars

Tatum +1.8
Brown +1.6
Jrue 0.0
White +14.2
KP +3.4
Horford -.2
Hauser -5.2
Pritchard -2.1

Even Joker doesn't have that kind of differential between his teammates.
(only SGA is pulling off a similar feat for OKC)

White will need a bump in minutes during the playoffs. We shouldn't hear any nonsense about keeping rotations the same as the regular season (& if that's a thing, then start changing them now).
 
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FYI, Old Man and the Three has their second Derrick White interview today on Episode 199.
 

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Good stuff in there about how Joe has done stuff defensively since White got there that nobody else in the league is doing.
 

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Good stuff in there about how Joe has done stuff defensively since White got there that nobody else in the league is doing.
Minute 36 touches on team shot selection and 3PA.

DW: there is the one-on-one 3s & Step-back 3s that happen throughout the game but the majority of our 3s & good looks come off passes/kick outs (from the attention the JAYs draw)

Catch & Shoot 3s is clearly a point of emphasis for the team (which is great to hear from a player)
 

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The Ringer - updated today - top 100 list. Our favorite Celtic Derrick White is at #35

1. Nikola Jokic 2. Joel Embiid 3. Giannis Antetokounmpo 4. Luka Doncic 5. Stephen Curry 6. Jayson Tatum 7. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander 8. Kevin Durant 9. Devin Booker 10. LeBron James 11. Kawhi Leonard 12. Tyrese Haliburton 13. Anthony Davis 14. Jimmy Butler 15. De’Aaron Fox 16. Damian Lillard 17. Anthony Edwards 18. Bam Adebayo 19. Jamal Murray 20. Jalen Brunson 21. Ja Morant 22. Domantas Sabonis 23. Donovan Mitchell 24. Paul George 25. Karl-Anthony Towns 26. Jaylen Brown 27. Tyrese Maxey 28. James Harden 29. Trae Young 30. Brandon Ingram 31. Scottie Barnes 32. Zion Williamson 33. Alperen Sengun 34. Lauri Markkanen 35. Derrick White
 

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The Ringer - updated today - top 100 list. Our favorite Celtic Derrick White is at #35

1. Nikola Jokic 2. Joel Embiid 3. Giannis Antetokounmpo 4. Luka Doncic 5. Stephen Curry 6. Jayson Tatum 7. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander 8. Kevin Durant 9. Devin Booker 10. LeBron James 11. Kawhi Leonard 12. Tyrese Haliburton 13. Anthony Davis 14. Jimmy Butler 15. De’Aaron Fox 16. Damian Lillard 17. Anthony Edwards 18. Bam Adebayo 19. Jamal Murray 20. Jalen Brunson 21. Ja Morant 22. Domantas Sabonis 23. Donovan Mitchell 24. Paul George 25. Karl-Anthony Towns 26. Jaylen Brown 27. Tyrese Maxey 28. James Harden 29. Trae Young 30. Brandon Ingram 31. Scottie Barnes 32. Zion Williamson 33. Alperen Sengun 34. Lauri Markkanen 35. Derrick White
Man, Adebayo is the one that stands out as seeming really out of place. Do people think hes as good as any of the guys around him?
 

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Ones that stood out me.

Steph too high. Should be more in the 10 range.
SGA too low. Should be top 5.
Paul George too low. Shoukd be top 15.
 

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I'd move Luka, Steph KD and Booker down and SGA, Ant, Fox and Kawhi up. Leonard is quietly having a great season.
 

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I'd have Chet Holmgren on there somewhere in the back end.
He's right after, at 38.

All 5 Celtics starters are top 50. (Jrue is 47, KP is 50).

Sabonis at 22 is one I struggle with. He looks great some nights but bad on others and was exposed last spring. I think of top 15-30 as "your can win a title with this guy as your second best player" and I'm not sure he's that.
 

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He's right after, at 38.

All 5 Celtics starters are top 50. (Jrue is 47, KP is 50).

Sabonis at 22 is one I struggle with. He looks great some nights but bad on others and was exposed last spring. I think of top 15-30 as "your can win a title with this guy as your second best player" and I'm not sure he's that.
Putting Sabonis ahead of KP at all is wild to me, to say nothing of 22nd vs 50th.
 

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Putting Sabonis ahead of KP at all is wild to me, to say nothing of 22nd vs 50th.
That’s where I’m at. Who would pick Sabonis over KP if they were both standing there on the playground. KP’s defense as a rim-protector is light years ahead of Sabonis. They basically saying Sabonis is some kind of genius-level playmaker?

I also think Lebron is now kind of underrated - sure, he’s old, but is Booker better than him? That seems nuts.
 

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I took a look at DARKO to see how this shakes out — I’m with you guys, Sabonis ain’t better than Porzingis. And DARKO agrees, KP is top 30, right next to Gobert. Sabonis isn’t in the top 50.

Biggest surprise though was seeing Wembayana as a top 20 guy already. Dude is really going to be a top three guy and soon. He’s right there with Jimmy Butler right now and his trend is up. The Spurs have such shit talent otherwise.
 

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White’s offensive rebound on the missed FT late was one of those massive plays that don’t seem like much (hey, what’s one more rebound?).
Huge. Even when he's not making shots, he's finding ways to impact the game. The C's probably don't win that game if not for the rebound and the charge he draws a few plays later.
 

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Bam is way too high. Sabonis is way too high.

Harden is way too low. VanVleet should be on list.

Morant played 9 games and it out for year, shouldn't be on list, replace him with Porzingis.
 
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He's right after, at 38.

All 5 Celtics starters are top 50. (Jrue is 47, KP is 50).

Sabonis at 22 is one I struggle with. He looks great some nights but bad on others and was exposed last spring. I think of top 15-30 as "your can win a title with this guy as your second best player" and I'm not sure he's that.
Same. I think Sabonis is a very good player and a floor raiser for any team....but I think it's extremely hard to build a championship winning roster around him.
He's a center who can't protect the rim and isn't very good on defense. You basically have to have a "unicorn" 4 next to him to overcome his shortcomings. The only players that I can think of like that are Wembanyama and Chet.

I would also say KAT and Lillard are too high. Love KAT's talent but hate the BBIQ. Lillard is a sieve defensively and that has to matter somewhat

EDIT: This is probably a good thread by itself to not clutter the DW thread. "Ringer Top 100" or just "Top 100". This stuff is fascinating to me
 
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I took a look at DARKO to see how this shakes out — I’m with you guys, Sabonis ain’t better than Porzingis. And DARKO agrees, KP is top 30, right next to Gobert. Sabonis isn’t in the top 50.

Biggest surprise though was seeing Wembayana as a top 20 guy already. Dude is really going to be a top three guy and soon. He’s right there with Jimmy Butler right now and his trend is up. The Spurs have such shit talent otherwise.
The Spurs have some interesting pieces but they just don't fit very well together and they basically have .5 point guards on the entire team (Tre Jones is injured a lot)

But....Devin Vassell, Keldon Johnson, Zach Collins, Tre Jones, Malakhi Branham, Sochan and Doug McDermott are all varying degrees of interesting.
 

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The Spurs have some interesting pieces but they just don't fit very well together and they basically have .5 point guards on the entire team (Tre Jones is injured a lot)

But....Devin Vassell, Keldon Johnson, Zach Collins, Tre Jones, Malakhi Branham, Sochan and Doug McDermott are all varying degrees of interesting.
what did you do with TBB ;)
 

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‘Derrick White is an All-Star’: Inside the NBA’s underdog campaign

DWhite, faux-Swiftie:

Owen O’Connor, a high school senior from the Boston suburb Weymouth, remembered when Golden State Warriors wing Andrew Wiggins rode a wave of fan support of K-pop stars BTS to the All-Star starting lineup. As host of the “Banner 18” podcast, O’Connor wanted to find a way to get his Celtics to Indianapolis that was more effective than just talking about it. He had to put his money where his tweets were.

The Wiggins story inspired him to put together a similar campaign for Jayson Tatum earlier this season, but Celtics fans told him White was the one who needed the support.

“Because of that, I went out and did the same because Taylor Swift is essentially (BTS) this year,” O’Connor told The Athletic.

The 17-year-old scoured the internet for anything he could use to sell Swifties on the idea that White is a superfan, stumbling upon an image of a fake X post from White that simply read “Can’t wait to go to the next Taylor Swift concert in Boston!” O’Connor posted it to his account and the rest is history.

“Yeah, I’ve seen the Taylor Swift one. I did not say that. No,” Derrick White told The Athletic with a laugh. “But if Taylor Swift came to Boston and I was in Boston, I would attend. I’ve heard it’s a great concert, so let’s see what the hype’s about.”

O’Connor’s post went viral. The campaign, replicated by other Celtics fans online, was taking off.

“The Taylor Swift effect is unlike anything I’ve ever seen with social influence,” said Brendan Kaminsky, founder of bknown, a branding and social media agency. “For the fan that started this fake campaign for Derrick White, I actually applaud him for his creativity and effort. He realizes what a lot of us now do: The lines are so blurred on X, that you can (unfortunately) easily fool thousands and use it to your advantage.”
 

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Defensively he's terrific, but his offense benefits tremendously from often being the 4th or 5th guy that teams focus on. The guys above are all efficient, high volume offensive players while being the #1 or #2 scorer on their team:

White: 16.1 ppg, 4.9 apg, .630 TS%

Haliburton: 23.6 ppg, .12.6 apg, 632 TS%
Mitchell: 27.8 ppg, 5.9 apg, .589 TS%
Brunson: 26.5 ppg, 6.5 apg, .595 TS%
Lillard: 25.5 ppg, 6.9 apg, .608 TS%
Young: 26.9 ppg, 10.8 apg, .578 TS%
Maxey: 26.0 ppg, 6.7 apg, .579 TS%

Only 5 guards are selected so he's gotta beat out not 1 but 2 players on this list, which I can't see happening. Maybe Young because his team is bad and his defense is the worst in the league, but who else? Haliburton is close a lock to start. Brunson has been clearly the best player on a very solid Knicks team (and his snub last year means people will remember him this time). Mitchell has been playing out of his mind and kept the Cavs close to the top of the conference despite some major injuries. Maxey is probably the frontrunner for most improved, even if he isn't playing quite as well as earlier in the year. Lillard's numbers aren't as impressive as usual and his defense has been loudly panned, but his stats are still really good, the Bucks are still in 2nd, he's already had a handful of dame time moments, and he's probably closer to starting than he is to missing the team entirely.

White's path to the ASG is to beat out Young and hope that one of the other five on this last are injured (and that he doesn't get passed by the likes of Herro or Ball). If everyone is healthy, he's not making it. There are lots of really good stories here, it's not just White.
 
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I think Grande is great on the radio but didn't love the prospect of him on the TV broadcast, especially if that meant Wallach was going to fill in. Bullet(s) dodged!
 

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I appreciate that Hollinger is stumping for White but i just read that piece and the guy is still just awful at evaluating players. I have literally 0 idea how he ever was hired to be in a front office and how he ever survived longer than a day.

EDIT: Zach Lowe had Tim Legler on his pod the other day. Those are both good basketball minds. Not infallible but they generally have their finger on the pulse. Their lists were very different than Johnny's (who generally pretends to be much smarter than everyone while not offering much)
 
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I appreciate that Hollinger is stumping for White but i just read that piece and the guy is still just awful at evaluating players. I have literally 0 idea how he ever was hired to be in a front office and how he ever survived longer than a day
not just incompetent - he frequently reveals that he doesn't even watch the games with some of the things he says about guys.
 

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not just incompetent - he frequently reveals that he doesn't even watch the games with some of the things he says about guys.
That doesn't surprise me one bit. A lot of his analysis reeks of just looking at his spreadsheets instead of actually watching the games.
 

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not just incompetent - he frequently reveals that he doesn't even watch the games with some of the things he says about guys.
He also has a penchant for still using a pretty obsolete advanced stat. I can't quite put my finger on his seemingly inexplicable attachment to it