Corsi said:
Seriously?
This is all the have now. Yeah, this thing won't be over until after the Super Bowl. Also, nothing about it being 2 PSI under. What a train wreck the NFL office is.
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Seriously?
This is all the have now. Yeah, this thing won't be over until after the Super Bowl. Also, nothing about it being 2 PSI under. What a train wreck the NFL office is.
Once again, no mention of how that inspection was done. Feeling them up a bit and going "yup, looks good to me" is inspecting.amarshal2 said:
amarshal2 said:
Their use of the word "inspect" without actually saying they used a gauge is curious to me.
Drew Magary @drewmagary 19s20 seconds ago
***FUTURE NFL GAME*** (runner fumbles the ball) (coach challenges play) (six-month investigation by Kuntz & Branghorf, LLP) (call reversed)
***FUTURE NFL GAME*** (runner fumbles the ball) (coach challenges play) (six-month investigation by Kuntz & Branghorf, LLP) (call reversed)
In sum, this is dragging on forever.
Missed the thorough investigation that surely took place this season after a different team openly sullied the integrity of the game in a similar way.
Missed the thorough investigation that surely took place this season after a different team openly sullied the integrity of the game in a similar way.
riboflav said:
Do you really think this will happen? I'll wager any amount you want to the Jimmy Fund and give you 10:1 odds.
Well, in that case no investigation was needed because it was caught by TV cameras. And not even a slap on the wrist came out of it. I still have yet to see someone explain to me how those situations are different.Jed Zeppelin said:
Yes it will be dragged out until after the Super Bowl. Unless they have video of Tom letting the air out of the football he will play in the Super Bowl.riboflav said:
The equipment manager jumps on the grenade is my guess.
NOW and other advocacy groups need to start chiming in here. Domestic abuse is swept under the rug, given short shrift of investigation, and "resolved" with the most awkward and ineffective ad campaign I can think of, but the NFL has brought in this team to find out if a fucking football had some air let out of it?
The NFL has lost its fucking mind and someone needs to call them out on it.
The NFL has lost its fucking mind and someone needs to call them out on it.
Looks to me like the rest of Brady's playing career is on the line here. If it's found he lied at his press conference, he may not be back, given the severity that will be doled out and his age.
The fact that they are going through such an investigation seems utterly insane, but I guess this is the post Ray Rice world.
The fact that they are going through such an investigation seems utterly insane, but I guess this is the post Ray Rice world.
What facts are we stipulating? All balls fine pre-game, Pats balls 2 PSI low at halftime, Colts balls fine at halftime? Possible (not probable) other options:amarshal2 said:
3) Temperature fluctuation theory with a low-precision gauge; requires further explanation of the Colts' balls (are they sitting in front of a heater? Did they test too high post-game, indicating that they were filled outdoors to begin with?)
4) A flat out bad/broken gauge used at halftime
5) A measurement fuck-up at halftime like looking at the metric side of the gauge or something
6) Someone else let the air out (either someone who likes the Pats and thought it'd help, or someone who doesn't and wanted to frame them)
7) Pats filled the ball in the sauna, to game the system within the rules (still looks terrible with Brady and Belichick's denials unless you believe it could happen without their knowledge).
None seem particularly likely. #3-5 get ruled out if the balls didn't return to proper pressure after the game (Peter King has posted that "All 24 footballs were checked by pressure gauge after the game. All 24 checked at the correct pressure," but he probably meant "12 Pats backup balls and 12 Colts" rather than "all 24 Pats balls"). Assuming they're DOA, then #6 is the other vaguely plausible possibility.
Is this lawyer speak or what?
The Patriots used 12 balls in the first half. You measured them twice with a gauge. Is video evidence going to all of a sudden appear that they tested the wrong balls? Are they going to the gauge manufacturers to verify they work? Just say the damn balls were underinflated.
loshjott said:
Rodgers. They cannot leave that unaddressed and claim they performed a thorough investigation of the entire ball inflation issue. And they probbaly will have to ask other clubs if they perform similar activities.
Ed Hillel said:
The rest of his playing career? Please he'd be signed in 3 seconds if released.
Scriblerus said:
This where this story is headed. Not necessarily "NOW" getting involved, but tomorrow's headline is going to be about how they didn't do one percent of this for an act of violence.
Probably a pretty good development. The secondary story is "why didn't they care when Aaron Rodgers admitted the same stuff," or when the Vikings did this stuff, but nobody cares and the NFL clearly has no sense of proportionality, so those hopeful for that angle are largely pissing in the wind.
But "Ray Rice" is about to become the story at least for a while.
What is a scenario that would constitute him lying, other than a ball boy saying Brady specifically told him to deflate footballs below the legal amount (which won't happen)?Ed Hillel said:
rodderick said:
The answer you will receive is that this is about a pattern of behavior from the organization and not one specific incident. It is a bullshit answer, but that is what you will receive.
This very heavy handed statement by the league ("we've got armies of lawyers and investigators that are fully prepared to search every orifice of anyone even named Pat") sounds like they are trying to scare someone into snitching because they currently don't have shit for evidence.
Where is Robert Kraft in all this? It has gone beyond "integrity of the game" and is a witch hunt that is damaging not only the Patriots brand, but the NFL.
bakahump said:
In that Peter King video, it looks maybe only the one "close enough" ball passed. One guy says, "Are any of them good?" Most (if not all) of the rest got pumped up in the sink.
Ben Volin @BenVolin 21s21 seconds ago
No mention in the NFL release about whether the #Colts footballs were tested at halftime or after the game
No mention in the NFL release about whether the #Colts footballs were tested at halftime or after the game
riboflav said:
If what you want is everyone being satisfied that the Pats did nothing wrong and did not "cheat" or that the title isn't "tainted", that ship has sailed. The best thing that can happen as a Pats fan is a slap-on-the wrist fine and then the Pats win next Sunday. Short of that focus on them winning next weekend and let the rest fall where it may. The 2nd half of the AFC Title game (when they blew the doors off the Colts) was played with properly inflated balls. The Super Bowl will be played will properly inflated ballls. As with the Spygate stuff there will be zero evidence that any of this impacted any of the actual game results.
Let the haters hate. If the Pats win it'll be glorious and fuck everyone else.
But do we know that the refs checked the balls with a gauge pre-game? Rather than just by feel? I very well could have missed a statement to that effect, but all I have read so far is they they "inspected" them, with no specifics given.SumnerH said:
rodderick said:
If someone on the sideline inflated the balls and he knew about it, he lied. I think that basically means if someone on the sideline and inflated the balls, and they can prove it, he lied. Nobody is doing that behind his back, unless it's the Colts setting him up.
riboflav said:
If what you want is everyone being satisfied that the Pats did nothing wrong and did not "cheat" or that the title isn't "tainted", that ship has sailed. The best thing that can happen as a Pats fan is a slap-on-the wrist fine and then the Pats win next Sunday. Short of that focus on them winning next weekend and let the rest fall where it may. The 2nd half of the AFC Title game (when they blew the doors off the Colts) was played with properly inflated balls. The Super Bowl will be played will properly inflated ballls. As with the Spygate stuff there will be zero evidence that any of this impacted any of the actual game results.
Let the haters hate. If the Pats win it'll be glorious and fuck everyone else.
Ed Hillel said:
Holy fuck you people have lost your minds.
Even if they have video of Brady deflating footballs do you think the penalty for that is going to be worse than, say, a first time violation of the PED policy?
rodderick said:
How about this: there's no temperature listed in the rules, so the best the league could do was tell them to knock it off.
Over reacting a little?Ed Hillel said:
This likely falls into the "no big deal, everyone does it" nonsense. Whether Brady lied in a press conference is immaterial. As long as he doesn't lie to the NFL, that's all that matters. And, without evidence, the NFLPA will appeal any suspension and likely win.
I'd be curious to know how the shirt, hat, etc. sales have gone compared to the alst time the Pats made ths SB.Scriblerus said:
Ed Hillel said:
This is Borges-level idiocy. Are you serious?
This whole thing is like a live-action Dumb & Dumber, except real.
Ed Hillel said:
If the entire Pats organization is on the same page as to with regards to what went on without any subpoena's they won't get dick from the Pats.
RedOctober3829 said:
You want to tell me with an honest face that someone would deflate balls on the Patriots sideline without his knowledge?
They've hired a fucking law firm, will probably conduct like a 100 interviews, and are scrubbing computer and phone data. If it turns out Brady lied in this kind of investigation, he's going to get destroyed by Goodell. You think they're doing this to dole out a 100k fine? I don't think it's what he should do, but I think it's what he will do. He is going to cave to the public reaction because it's all he cares about at this point. If it turns out either lied, Brady and/or Belichick are going to get destroyed. Rationality was thrown out the window long ago with this entire thing.
It literally took Ted Wells 4 months to figure out if there was bullying in the Dolphins lockerroom, so don't expect anything on this anytime soon.