#DFG: Canceling the Noise

Is there any level of suspension that you would advise Tom to accept?


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E5 Yaz

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I've been waiting and waiting for the backlash to begin and the media to realize this is a stupid story and it's time to move on.
 
Someone push a little girl down a well
 

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Kevin Costner shared his thoughts about "Deflategate" during an interview with Robin Meade on HLN's Morning Express on Friday.
 
The award-winning actor took offense with the comments made by former Dallas Cowboys quarterback Troy Aikman during an interview with CNN affiliate KTCK Sports Radio.
 
The New England Patriots have been accused of playing with deflated balls during Sunday's AFC Championship Game against the Indianapolis Colts. Patriots' quarterback Tom Brady said Thursday he didn't know the balls were deflated -- a claim refuted by Aikman.
 
"It's obvious Tom Brady had something to do with this," Aikman told the affiliate.
 
Costner said Friday that it's "a difficult place" to call another player a liar. 
 
"It's bold talk. And I like Troy a lot and I like Tom a lot. And it's bold when you say somebody is lying," Costner said. 
 
Costner says Brady "might have liked the feel of the ball and didn't want to say anything about it."
 
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2015/01/23/kevin-costner-patriots-deflate-gate-tom-brady
 

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E5 Yaz said:
I've been waiting and waiting for the backlash to begin and the media to realize this is a stupid story and it's time to move on.
 
Someone push a little girl down a well
 
Why can't it be a boy? Misogynist!
 

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Shelterdog said:
 
Or have a small difference due to weather, yes. 
 
It's absolutely the kind of lie you could see a ref telling in the spur of the moment.  It's half-time you're taking piss or whatever and your boss Blandino calls and tells you the fucking Colts are throwing a fit about the Pats are using underinflated balls, could you guys ject check their air pressure.  You do, and they're all at 11.3 PSI or whatever.  You tell Blandino and he says "how's they get there? You tested them all pregame, right?"   The thoughts of losing a 40 day a year/$200,000 a year job where you stand on pro football field for 20 games passes through your head and you say, "ur, um, yessir, we tested the SHIT out of those balls.  Air gauge and everything" and you go back to your thing.
 
And then the next morning you realize you made the biggest mistake of your life.
 
Exactly right.
 

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Ed Hillel said:
The one thing that keeps me from the "refs didn't use the gauge" thing is that, apparently, all the backup footballs were within range. Wouldn't they have had similar underinflation issues if the refs hadn't been thorough pre-game?  
Couple thoughts here:

You have all-star crews.
What if one official did the game balls and another did the backups?
And what if their regular crews have different practices? Guy doing the backups uses the gauge. Other official says, "nah, I got this - our crew just does it by feel."
 

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Well, Okay, Curren mentioned the name of the equipment manager. 
 
His phone number is there on whitepages.com for anyone to call.
 
You wonder why the press has not banged down his door.
 

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Here is an electric ball pressure gauge we use.  Take a look at what the face of the pressure gauge says.  At 30 PSI there is an accuracy of +/- 3 PSI.  So, to me it is for every 10 PSI there could be a difference of 1 PSI.  Add any +/- into any natural deflation of the balls and you might have something.
 
 

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Section15Box113 said:
Couple thoughts here:

You have all-star crews.
What if one official did the game balls and another did the backups?
And what if their regular crews have different practices? Guy doing the backups uses the gauge. Other official says, "nah, I got this - our crew just does it by feel."
 
It's getting closer and closer to appearing like this happened.
 
Because I just can't see the team willfully deflating the balls on the sidelines after the balls were checked. That's just too dumb.
 

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To a sane person, the explanation is never that complicated. It's always simple. There's no mystery to the game, no arch cheater behind it all. If you got a slightly underinflated ball and you think the refs didn't measure the pressure with a gauge, you're gonna find out you're right.
 

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OnWisc said:
Not too many years ago this wording would have been universally interpreted as a swipe at Goodell for making such a big deal out of something so inconsequential. Now I'm not so sure.
 
I'd be surprised if the NFL didn't see that message before it was released
 

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Maybe back up balls are hardly used in most games so they were submitted at an appropriate level and the game balls were submitted at a low level. 
 

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Guys, check out the Solder TD play. Brady drops back, turns the ball back as though he's going to hand it off, then turns to the left and throws to the left.

Back and to the left.

Back and to the left.
 

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Filet-O-Fisk said:
To a sane person, the explanation is never that complicated. It's always simple. There's no mystery to the game, no arch cheater behind it all. If you got a slightly underinflated ball and you think the refs didn't measure the pressure with a gauge, you're gonna find out you're right.
Bravo!
 

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pappymojo said:
Maybe back up balls are hardly used in most games so they were submitted at an appropriate level and the game balls were submitted at a low level. 
 
More likely they were all submitted at approximately the same pressure level (say right around 12.5), and the back-ups maintained their pressure because they were stored indoors until the halftime measurements were taken.  The post game measurements...well, who knows when they were taken so who knows what effect environment could have had on them.
 
Without details, we'll never know anything.
 

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Point one:  Maybe part of the video they are looking at is what happened in the pre-game ball inspection?  
 
Point two:  I'm not excusing the Patriots if they did something against the rules, but the part of this story I really wish would get broader play is the part of the Kraft statement and implied in the NFL statement that, on Monday or maybe Tuesday, the NFL had boots on the ground and were asking to search cell phones and personal communication devices.  Think about this.  This is a significant ask, and from a lawyer's perspective, the circumstances under which even courts will let you do this generally involve pretty stringent privacy procedures.  We text our spouses, our kids use our phones, maybe we look at porn or mylittlepony or whatever fetish or little hobby humans have.  We take pictures of our private lives.  It's a big fucking deal, especially with what cell phones can do these days and how much we all use them.
 
So you're boots on the ground within 24 hours asking people to turn over your cell phones over 2 psi when fiances are getting knocked out and QBs are accuse of rape and you can't be bothered even to open your mail? 
 
The league has lost its fucking way.  Again, I'm not justifying what the Patriots might have done, and, like I often do, I'm echoing a bit the point rev has been making, but holy fuck.  We've lost our way.
 

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johnmd20 said:
 
It's getting closer and closer to appearing like this happened.
 
Because I just can't see the team willfully deflating the balls on the sidelines after the balls were checked. That's just too dumb.
 
Also Brady's statement that he likes the balls just so and nobody should fuck with them once he's selected them rings very true to me.  He's a perfectionist and he doesn't want poor Murph to fuck up a football by accident.  Now does Brady initially set all his balls to 11.5 psi?  Quite possibly.
 

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RedOctober3829 said:
Here is an electric ball pressure gauge we use.  Take a look at what the face of the pressure gauge says.  At 30 PSI there is an accuracy of +/- 3 PSI.  So, to me it is for every 10 PSI there could be a difference of 1 PSI.  Add any +/- into any natural deflation of the balls and you might have something.
 
 
A spec that calls for 10ths of a PSI, measured using a gauge that can only measure to whole numbers. No idea if that's the actual gauge used by the NFL, but it sounds like something right up their alley.
 

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Is there any doubt BB would raise the Lombardi and yell INFLATE THIS before a mic drop as his paid off sound man hits the NWO theme?
 

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SumnerH said:
I switched it to a link. Sorry, Rev.
 
In the spirit of this topic: I don't care. :)
 
 
johnmd20 said:
 
Yes, it took a good two minutes to load. I blame Rev. He's the destroyer of sanity and message boarding.
 
I just like to watch the world burn.
 

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steveluck7 said:
esp. not Adrian Peterson's
 
They cared about that one. He was suspended for a year.
 
Seriously, the NFL has had a insane amount of debacles this year. And, yet, it keeps rolling along. America!
 

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DennyDoyle'sBoil said:
Point one:  Maybe part of the video they are looking at is what happened in the pre-game ball inspection?  
 
Point two:  I'm not excusing the Patriots if they did something against the rules, but the part of this story I really wish would get broader play is the part of the Kraft statement and implied in the NFL statement that, on Monday or maybe Tuesday, the NFL had boots on the ground and were asking to search cell phones and personal communication devices.  Think about this.  This is a significant ask, and from a lawyer's perspective, the circumstances under which even courts will let you do this generally involve pretty stringent privacy procedures.  We text our spouses, our kids use our phones, maybe we look at porn or mylittlepony or whatever fetish or little hobby humans have.  We take pictures of our private lives.  It's a big fucking deal, especially with what cell phones can do these days and how much we all use them.
 
So you're boots on the ground within 24 hours asking people to turn over your cell phones over 2 psi when fiances are getting knocked out and QBs are accuse of rape and you can't be bothered even to open your mail? 
 
The league has lost its fucking way.  Again, I'm not justifying what the Patriots might have done, and, like I often do, I'm echoing a bit the point rev has been making, but holy fuck.  We've lost our way.
 
Football fans care about this! They don't care about battered wives or whipped children
 

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Whoa, ESPN is talking about other football news (Dolphins Future right now, then Bills news, then Titans QB Options and then Brees Reuniting with something...)
 
Wow.
 

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Whoa, ESPN is talking about other football news (Dolphins Future right now, then Bills news, then Titans QB Options and then Brees Reuniting with something...)
 
Wow.
 
Is Brunnell on the set?
 
Meanwhile,
 
SeifertESPN Kevin Seifert
From that story: #Patriots 78 plays per fumble. Rest of outdoor teams range from 37-58.http://t.co/mMJ1oMRp8C
 

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They spent three days at Foxboro examining?  Can't wait for CSI: NFL.  Seriously, how long do murder detectives spend at the scene?
 
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Haven't the Pats put the ball on the ground more than their opponents this playoffs?
 

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Does it cause any unease that everyone seems to be only providing negative assurance on questions they are asked?  Would love to see someone make an unequivocable statement that no one in the organization had anything to do with balls being intentionally underinflated.
 

ivanvamp

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40 interviews and Tom Brady - the guy who should care the most about the condition of the Patriots' footballs - isn't one of them.

The NFL is an absolute clown show.