#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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Can't wait for them to go out and lay waste to the rest of the league next season. FU mode all season long.
I'm not ready to defend Brady yet, but one text from Jastremski to his girlfriend stands out.
After the Jets game, he texts, "Tom was right. I just measured some of the balls. They're supposed to be 13 lbs... they were, like, 16. Felt like bricks."
He acknowledges that the balls should be inflated to 13PSI, and one can infer that is what he inflates them too.
Now, the free gear McNally received prior to the game? Not awesome.
After the Jets game, he texts, "Tom was right. I just measured some of the balls. They're supposed to be 13 lbs... they were, like, 16. Felt like bricks."
He acknowledges that the balls should be inflated to 13PSI, and one can infer that is what he inflates them too.
Now, the free gear McNally received prior to the game? Not awesome.
If there is any sort of punishment against Brady in the form of suspension, I'm happy that BB drafted JG last year. This sounds like mostly bullshit, but Brady isn't going to look good. The ball boys think he's an asshole and he obviously was on them about the PSI of the balls and it's ambiguous whether or not he knew they were breaking the rules. Even if he was innocent he's going to be guilty in the court of public opinion. The free stuff also makes him look bad, even if it's "Hey I'm sorry I am such a dickhead about the PSI, here have this autographed game jersey."
soxhop411 said:
Have you thought of just posting your Twitter account in your sig line and just retweeting, rather than turning this thread into an RSS feed?
Yep if I started to cite these kinds of standards in civil cases the judges would laugh in my face.Gash Prex said:
Seems like even if there's enough floating around to support the idea of some level of Brady complicity, there's also enough that many reporters not totally beholden to The Shield will be saying "really?" and make things uncomfortable for Goodell.
"As a result of exposure to the colder temperature on the field during the first half, the air pressure of all of the game balls tested at halftime decreased from the levels measured prior to the game. This result is consistent with basic scientific principles, including the Ideal Gas Law, which predicts the proportional change in pressure that is caused by a change in temperature of the gas inside a pressure vessel of fixed volume (such as a football). According to Exponent, based on the most likely pressure and temperature values for the Patriots game balls on the day of the AFC Championship Game (i.e., a starting pressure of 12.5 psi, a starting temperature of between 67 and 71 degrees and a final temperature of 48 degrees), the Ideal Gas Law predicts that the Patriots balls should have measured between 11.52 and 11.32 psi at the end of the first half, just before they were brought back into the Officials Locker Room. Most of the individual Patriots measurements recorded at halftime, however, were lower than the range predicted by the Ideal Gas Law."
I read this as, "we dont have the pre-game readings, so we guessing".
I read this as, "we dont have the pre-game readings, so we guessing".
How about the text where the "refs fucked us" by overinflating to 16....and then not checking them. Is that their job? That shows me that no one cares at all about the actual pressure in the balls
Weak effort again, Cromulence. Stop with the moronic trolling, please.
If the report offered a smoking gun or very strong evidence in any direction, I would care a lot.
A report that concludes that it was more probable than not that there was wrong doing, and that Tom was probably generally aware, is a report that says very little more than "the Pats balls were at lower levels and the equipment guys talked about it."
Why would anyone, regardless of their Pats love or Pats hate, put a lot of stock in those conclusions?
If the report offered a smoking gun or very strong evidence in any direction, I would care a lot.
A report that concludes that it was more probable than not that there was wrong doing, and that Tom was probably generally aware, is a report that says very little more than "the Pats balls were at lower levels and the equipment guys talked about it."
Why would anyone, regardless of their Pats love or Pats hate, put a lot of stock in those conclusions?
dcdrew10 said:
It is hard to tell their attitude from texts. "Fuck Tom," could be a joke they had between themselves. Texts are really easy to take out of context.
It is not a court of law. "More probable than not" is more than enough to skewer Brady until the end of time.
Any mention of how the whole thing actually started (Colts tipped them off?) or what role the memorabilia-thieving league employee's returned ball played?
Look at this frenzie over a slight, arguably insignificant reduction in "regulation" PSI for a football game. A game won by multiple touchdowns by the team in question.
We live in such a bitter country. Life is so short and look at what people waste time caring about. This whole thing is going to live on because some douchebag lawyer needed to put together a vague, meaningless report to justify milking the NFL for every dollar that he could.
This is so pathetic it's incomprehensible.
We live in such a bitter country. Life is so short and look at what people waste time caring about. This whole thing is going to live on because some douchebag lawyer needed to put together a vague, meaningless report to justify milking the NFL for every dollar that he could.
This is so pathetic it's incomprehensible.
Exactly. It could be as simple as Brady busting their balls every time he sees them. "Hey man, I told you I want the footballs at this level!" You see how Brady can be with his receivers. Imagine how he might treat the ball boys. And in turn, they talk shit about him behind his back.johnmd20 said:
And of course, The New York F'in Post jumps to the worst possible conclusion, i.e. BRADY KNEW: http://nypost.com/2015/05/06/deflategate-report-bombshell-tom-brady-was-aware-of-rule-breaking/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow
Well, I think the report is pretty bad -- at least, I was hoping it would be better. I find it generally convincing that there was some tampering with the balls, which is a real fucking bummer. The specifics on the PSI are more than I thought they would have on this.
I'm glad there's no apparent direct evidence that Brady directed it, which is the only silver lining.
I'm glad there's no apparent direct evidence that Brady directed it, which is the only silver lining.
There were 3 balls that were not in the range, including the ball the colts intercepted. How is this proof of anything?Hoya81 said:
The only one getting fucked is Tom Brady.
Report gives plenty of ammo for the haters. Brady's stellar career now summed up by much lesser players who couldn't carry #12's jocks.
And that's a shame.
Report gives plenty of ammo for the haters. Brady's stellar career now summed up by much lesser players who couldn't carry #12's jocks.
And that's a shame.
This whole thing is so fucking insane. At some point in the distant future when the NFL's popularity has waned, people will marvel at the amount of time and energy people spent on something as trivial and inconsequential as this.
The fact that this report exists is absurd and the fact that an otherwise accomplished individual unironically devoted several months of his life to conducting an investigation on some slight discrepancies in the PSI levels of footballs is incomprehensible. Where are the adults?
Holy fuck.
The fact that this report exists is absurd and the fact that an otherwise accomplished individual unironically devoted several months of his life to conducting an investigation on some slight discrepancies in the PSI levels of footballs is incomprehensible. Where are the adults?
Holy fuck.
So to recap.... The team probably did something that the quarterback likely knew about and now he might be disciplined.
My main concern is if this more probable than not scenario is in fact true what effect if any will that have on the relationship between Brady and Kraft/Belichick.
Hoya81 said:
Though this is roughly what everyone on this thread has been saying -- that the temperature could deflate the footballs by 1 PSI but probably not by 2 PSI.
BannedbyNYYFans.com said:
ESPN also seemed to think that the Patriots should have forfeited their appearance in the Super Bowl, so I'm taking everything they say with a grain of salt.
It sucks that the report's conclusion will make Mark Brunell's histrionics seem justified.SeoulSoxFan said:
Kenny F'ing Powers said:
Was there any wording in the report that it was just McNally that received stuff? I had a coworker who used to be a parking attendant at Fenway. His office is wall to wall covered in signed merchandise. At the end of the year, most players would sign stuff for the attendants who wanted it. It's pretty standard practice, and it keeps the attendants from asking throughout the year. That someone would be getting autographed stuff at the last home game of the season raises very few hairs for me. If McNally was the only one, then that's something else entirely.
Yeah, Im not enough of an expert to do anything but take the science stuff at face value, but I do think there's enough circumstantial evidence someone was fucking with footballs. I doubt there's enough to lay a major punishment on Brady without the NFLPA throwing a shitstorm and Rog getting smacked down in court or by an arbitrator or w/e yet again, but there's enough smoke to hit the team with something.DennyDoyle'sBoil said:
Id guess based on Kraft's quick and deferential response that he knows there is nothing major coming down the pipeline on this, but that's just a hunch. I expect a draft pick is going bye-bye though,
soxhop411 said:
Do you guys realize that that's the standard of proof in civil lawsuits? It's just another way of saying a preponderance of the evidence.
The report is so circumstantial and so loaded with woulda'coulda'shoulda' that I now suspect that this saga has not seen its final chapter. Thread to 1000 pages?
The jump they make to Brady being implicit is a big one. This quote here seems to imply that Brady's role was nothing more than making sure that "Bird" knew he wanted the balls at 12.5 and make sure the refs get it right.
Also McNally comes off as an A#1 douchebag.
Also McNally comes off as an A#1 douchebag.
PBDWake said:
It did say in a few places stuff along the lines (I'm going from memory) "Make sure Tom signs some footballs and jerseys for me" and "Should have a pair of 11 Uggs in your locker" kind of stuff.
60/40, 6 to 5, you know, the type of odds that encourage writing an arbitrary summary in a way the public will imply definitive malfeasance.Rudy Pemberton said:
edit: I realize a lawyer wrote the summary. My annoyance is with how the words will be manipulated and fed to the public.