#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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Is he just a pathological liar? Sickening.
Good--also note Exponent couldn't do real science because "environmental and timing ranges...provided by Paul, Weiss."
Gambler7 said:
Mr. Commissioner, can you explain why neither your nor any of your NFL staff agreed to turn over your private cellphones for the Mueller Investigation? I thought the rules applied to everyone.
Gambler7 said:
Just to be clear, when he says 'the rules apply to everyone' does that mean the CBA rules apply to him, too? No evidence he believes that part is true.
The Pats are really in trouble if they can't find a way to get rid of RG and clean the stench from the NFL front office. I know certain posters will now angrily respond about how crazy that is, but it's the truth. I think Kraft's eyes are wide open now and he's not going to let off the gas imo.
Is he working hard though?Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
This fiasco is a teed up opportunity for a real journalist to uncover a multi-billion dollar corporation/sports league filled with corruption, egos, lies, and revenge based agendas. It's how journalist reputations and awards are earned and won. The most effort he's put into this was trying to link a connection between Kraft and AEI. It took all of 3 minutes of googling for armatures to prove him wrong. He has been lapped on this story repeatedly by a Houston Texans blogger.
We have multiple members in this thread with day jobs, posting analysis in here for free, that have put more thought and effort into their comments than the guy getting paid by the city's largest paper to do the same thing.
MuppetAsteriskTalk said:
I'm listening to Radiohead so I'm more melancholy than angry. Maybe I should put on some RAtM...
My response is that I just don't think there's a high enough level of vitriol outside of the fanbases he's messed with. Three down, 29 to go?
Van Everyman said:
Given the relative levels of insight demonstrated by many of the posters in this thread and by BV, that is a very, very difficult assertion to make.
I've been assuming that you're carrying water (up a steep, steep hill) for Volin 'cause he's a friend or something - certainly, there's no rational basis for many of your claims, and quite a lot of reason to believe that he's a troll of limited intellect and initiative who is trying to attract the attention of an employer elsewhere.
This post, though, is another level of obtuse. Are you actually Volin? Or are you just channeling your inner RG, walking down a dead end and then doubling down as you go?
nighthob said:
That's what I assumed too. Especially since dcmissile seems to be quite sharp and I doubt he would miss that Volin was the culprit in both cases.
I thought with a week to think about it that he'd come around to just vacating the whole thing.Gambler7 said:
:smithicide:
USAToday, mouthpiece for NFL, with an interview of Attorney Nash.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2015/08/07/nfl-attorney-says-nflpas-move-vacate-bradys-deflategate-suspension-baseless/31301467/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2015/08/07/nfl-attorney-says-nflpas-move-vacate-bradys-deflategate-suspension-baseless/31301467/
From this article:Bleedred said:
Your investigator Ted Wells can dispute that he failed to cooperate. In fact, he said so in his report. The NFL CBA can also dispute that Brady had to give his phone or any records on his phone over to the NFL.
Thought this was a good line by Atallah.
It's perjury to lie in an arbitration hearing such as Brady's? What was the purpose of Brady being under oath, if it's perjury without? Can a lawyer clarify?amarshal2 said:
Bleedred said:
What happened to shutting up about all this? Didn't Berman say no more talking to the press and now you have Goodell and Nash giving interviews about this?
EDIT: O.k. Berman said to "tone down" the rhetoric and the earth had already been scorched enough. Nash's comments, in particular, seem to defy Berman's message.
EDIT 2 - So much for settling. I guess the NFL decided that ain't gonna happen. Hope they told Berman first.
Aha, okay, that explains our disconnect. I had struck out "under oath" in my reply to you and you must not have seen it. I was under the impression that only Brady was under oath, but I could be wrong.amarshal2 said:
So the WEEI piece today with Goodell's remarks seem to indicate they (NFL) have no interest in reaching a settlement. Curious to how Judge Berman will react to that.
RedOctober3829 said:
My favorite part of the USA Today article was:
He in fact did, by denying that he told them to deflate the balls. So, that statement by Nash is demonstrably wrong. But beyond that, it's a preposterous assertion since the Wells report contained zero (literally, zero) evidence that those Patriots employees had done anything wrong. What, then, was Brady to present?
It's just insanity.
In the NFL, sworn testimony != evidence. Unless they want it to be evidence, then it is all good.PedroKsBambino said:
The very fact that the NFL legal team is putting up this front as if they are the aggrieved party and playing PR is just so strange, if you stop and think about it.
It's one of the things that makes me buy the "keep the NFL on the front pages" angle, at least a little. Because, ok, being vocal about tearing down TB gets the ink, but to what end? There's no reason that the NFL shouldn't be playing this off as "this is business, it's not personal, we'll see how the process plays out." regardless of how much they might personally enjoy sticking it to the NFLPA.
It's like the scene in Pulp Fiction where Q. Tarantino's character makes fun of Vincent and Jules because they are wearing ugly shorts and shirts, and Jules says "Laugh it up, motherfucker, these are YOUR clothes."
Laugh it up, NFL, Tom Brady is your best player.
It's one of the things that makes me buy the "keep the NFL on the front pages" angle, at least a little. Because, ok, being vocal about tearing down TB gets the ink, but to what end? There's no reason that the NFL shouldn't be playing this off as "this is business, it's not personal, we'll see how the process plays out." regardless of how much they might personally enjoy sticking it to the NFLPA.
It's like the scene in Pulp Fiction where Q. Tarantino's character makes fun of Vincent and Jules because they are wearing ugly shorts and shirts, and Jules says "Laugh it up, motherfucker, these are YOUR clothes."
Laugh it up, NFL, Tom Brady is your best player.
RedOctober3829 said:
It's incredible that the NFL keeps repeating the same things and they are all lies. These guys are like Baghdad Bob. "Everything's fine, the airport is still under our control, Tom Brady didn't cooperate and he destroyed his phone against our explicit instructions."
Here's the question that honest media should be asking - was The Meuller investigation truly independent, or was it "Wells independent" (which is to say, advocacy for the NFL). Is anyone running with this angle yet?
Maybe Goodell has finally gotten too cute and stepped on his own dick.
Maybe Goodell has finally gotten too cute and stepped on his own dick.
drleather2001 said:
After Tom Jackson made up the line that "The Patriots hate their coach" with zero sources or legitimacy, the Pats won the Super Bowl. And in I believe Holley's book, there's an anecdote that when Belichick was about to be interviewed by ESPN post-Super Bowl win Jackson said "Congratuations, Bill" and BB said in response "Fuck you, Tom"
I hope BB stands up there before the opener and tells the team the goal for the year is to get to the Super Bowl Presentation (or MVP presentation) and having Goodell say "Congratulations Bob/Tom" and to enable Kraft/Brady to say in response on national TV "Fuck you, Roger"
Did barstool sports steal "The north remembers" from here?
http://www.barstoolsports.com/boston/the-nfl-finally-admits-in-court-that-the-wells-report-was-a-witch-hunt-as-well-as-another-bombshell/?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
http://www.barstoolsports.com/boston/the-nfl-finally-admits-in-court-that-the-wells-report-was-a-witch-hunt-as-well-as-another-bombshell/?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
scotian1 said:
Is it too much to hope for that Berman remands back to Goodell with an order that he must commit seppuku during the hearing?
I didn't see it anywhere else but this website until you posted that link so I think they may have. I don't even know who first put it together though.Kenny F'ing Powers said:
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Yeah, I'm gonna say SoSH was first by almost three months on this one.
Maybe the right questions weren't asked but it seems telling that Nash made no comment on the conflict of interest issues, which many have said could be the PA's strongest argument.
It's also funny that he references a reliance on misstatements by the PA. Not to mention praising Roger's super-duper powers of investigation to solve this crime in the four hours (aka a "very long hearing") provided.
It's also funny that he references a reliance on misstatements by the PA. Not to mention praising Roger's super-duper powers of investigation to solve this crime in the four hours (aka a "very long hearing") provided.
I may be guilty of projecting here -- there is a very good chance of that, actually -- but I think the four games mean a lot more than nothing to Brady. I see him as a gym rat and an ultra competitive man, for whom missing four games would be a little slice of hell.Myt1 said:
We can quibble about 3-1 or 2-2, but for Tom to be out for those games, not practicing with the team and coming back with his first game in week 6, seems to me to be something he would truly hate.
All that said, Goodell's comments about not settling (and thank you, Roger, as Berman is going to notice that or be made aware of it by the NFLPA/Brady) make the conversation about settling at one game seem rather academic at this point.
God, Bob Ryan on the Sports Reporters just opined that Brady should accept the 4 game suspension for the good of the team so he can miss the first 4 games and not risk missing "more important" games. When Michael Smith asked him why in the world would he do that if he feels he's innocent, Bob's answer was "for the good of the team" and that "he's not going to get his reputation back anyway."
I usually love Bob Ryan, and think he's one of the best columnists the Globe has ever had, but what a disappointment.
I usually love Bob Ryan, and think he's one of the best columnists the Globe has ever had, but what a disappointment.
Just another example of Sanctimonious Bob. I'm surprised he didn't add his view about how the fans should feel about this.
Okay, Bob, I'll falsely accuse you of plagiarism, then railroad you into a ridiculous penalty, so just serve your time now in August before the season starts when you're free to write about more important topics. Deal?
Bleedred said:
It's dumb on 2 levels: One, which has been mentioned, is that Brady should stand up for his innocence; Two, the judge has agreed to an expedited schedule, so the trial will be done before the season starts anyway.
Agree. It's a lazy approach to thinking about the subject. Most can agree we are all sick of talking about this nonsense, but that doesn't mean we expect Brady to roll over and quit. Fuck that noise. It's disappointing to hear a respectable voice like Ryan take such a lazy stance. There are bigger issues in play than the most interesting subject to "debate" on a sports TV show.snowmanny said:
Yup. And they'll continue to totally ignore investigating anything themselves. Just sit back, read their Twitter feed and react. Lazy trolls.drleather2001 said: