#DFG: Canceling the Noise

Is there any level of suspension that you would advise Tom to accept?


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Eddie Jurak said:
 
Here are some snippets of Roger's stilted broken English:
 
 
Aside from the stilted delivery, the lack of substance beyond platitudes, and the rank hypocrisy, this guy uses the word solution way too much...
Please, please, please let someone find that he plagiarized the whole thing. Overall, he has the public speaking persona of a freshman boy giving an oral recitation on the female reproductive system. Is there any doubt that someone wrote that for him and he read it over 5 minutes before going on stage?
 

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RIFan said:
Please, please, please let someone find that he plagiarized the whole thing. Overall, he has the public speaking persona of a freshman boy giving an oral recitation on the female reproductive system. Is there any doubt that someone wrote that for him and he read it over 5 minutes before going on stage?
 
I heard it on WEEI, and my first thought was a clever, subversive speechwriter had written this thing to send Roger up without the Commish catching on.
 
 
 
I don't think they mentioned that Kraft was right there.
 

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Hambone said:
 
I'd say watch the next 5 and then you realize that he probably does believe that all info disappeared with the broken phone (or at least who wrote what he awkwardly read may think that).
Eddie Jurak said:
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Go to 7:10 and watch the next 3 minutes.
 
There are no words...
 
I'd say watch the next 5 and then you realize that he probably does believe that all info disappeared with that phone (or at least who wrote what he awkwardly read may think that).
 

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Hambone said:
 
I'd say watch the next 5 and then you realize that he probably does believe that all info disappeared with that phone (or at least who wrote what he awkwardly read may think that).
The recording is old. It's not like this was yesterday.
 

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I was at that commencement (my brother-in-law graduated) and aside from Goodell being far more high profile than the speaker at my Worcester State graduation, I thought he was quite boring. Also, almost everyone there was far more excited that Kraft was present than they were about Goodell.
 

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amarshal2 said:
sure. But it definitely doesn't speak to his opinions of events that happened 5 years into the future.
Why not? He's perfectly willing to believe that a "deflate" text foresees a specific playoff home game months in the future. Why wouldn't he have some inkling that facts and fairness might matter down the road?
 

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sure. But it definitely doesn't speak to his opinions of events that happened 5 years into the future.
In light of current events, the exhortation to "get your facts straight" sticks out as particularly egregious. Never mind the current situation, he certainly didn't follow that in the Rice investigation.
 

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I have a question on the phone.

I am somewhat OCD. Or at least, I have tendencies. One of those tendencies is to delete text messages basically immediately after I reply. It's more of an inbox zero type of mentality than any kinds of privacy or security concerns.

So my question is, if I gave my phone to a forensics guy, would he be able to recover every text I ever sent? How - SIM card?

I can't be the only one who routinely deletes text strings, so I am trying to understand how they could recover every text message sent during a period of time. I apologize for my stupidity when it comes to this type of technological question.
 
You can bring in a computer forensic specialist who can image a (non-destroyed) phone and likely recover the texts despite being deleted. 
 

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I hate giving him a link and I don't want to start a thread in the media forum for him but Chris Chase (the guy who D&C demolished yesterday) just puked down the front of his shirt again about Brady in his post today.  He was completely exercised that BB chose to start Brady last night.  His post reads like it was created by FJM in some kind of supercomputer that generates horrendous journalism.
 

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But there’s a connection between the team who made the complaint regarding deflated balls and the league office hiding in plain site at the team’s website. It’s a connection that is gratuitously touted in the biography of Colts Vice President of Football Operations Jimmy Raye III.
Here’s the last line of the bio: “Raye’s father, Jimmy Raye II, played for the Philadelphia Eagles in 1969 and is currently a senior advisor to Troy Vincent who is the executive vice president of football operations for the NFL.”
[SIZE=15.5200004577637px]Apart from the fact that it makes little sense to tout the credentials of Jimmy Raye III by pointing out that his father serves as a senior adviser to Troy Vincent, the fact remains that the father of the Colts Vice President of Football Operations serves as a senior adviser to the NFL’s Executive Vice President of Football Operations. It’s unknown whether the father of the Colts Vice President of Football Operations provided any actual advice to the NFL’s Executive Vice President of Football Operations regarding the #DeflateGate scandal, but it would make sense for Vincent, who hasn’t held the job for very long, to seek advice from someone regarding the best way to handle an unprecedented controversy regarding the inflation of footballs.[/SIZE]
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/14/colts-tout-connection-to-league-office-on-website/
 

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mandro ramtinez said:
I hate giving him a link and I don't want to start a thread in the media forum for him but Chris Chase (the guy who D&C demolished yesterday) just puked down the front of his shirt again about Brady in his post today.  He was completely exorcised that BB chose to start Brady last night.  His post reads like it was created by FJM in some kind of supercomputer that generates horrendous journalism.
That may have been the worst piece of 'journalism' I've ever read in my life about anything.
 

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mandro ramtinez said:
I hate giving him a link and I don't want to start a thread in the media forum for him but Chris Chase (the guy who D&C demolished yesterday) just puked down the front of his shirt again about Brady in his post today.  He was completely exorcised that BB chose to start Brady last night.  His post reads like it was created by FJM in some kind of supercomputer that generates horrendous journalism.
"it’s a message that’s hard to grasp, like much of the Pats’ decisions over the past seven months."
 
Yeah, that three-corners decision really came back to the bite 'em in the ass......
 

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mandro ramtinez said:
I hate giving him a link and I don't want to start a thread in the media forum for him but Chris Chase (the guy who D&C demolished yesterday) just puked down the front of his shirt again about Brady in his post today.  He was completely exorcised that BB chose to start Brady last night.  His post reads like it was created by FJM in some kind of supercomputer that generates horrendous journalism.
Good god, that was truly awful. My favorite part was the rant about BB not appreciating the media.
 

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Interesting move going full you-know-what a week or three after everybody else has begun to understand what's really happening here.
 

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mandro ramtinez said:
I hate giving him a link and I don't want to start a thread in the media forum for him but Chris Chase (the guy who D&C demolished yesterday) just puked down the front of his shirt again about Brady in his post today.  He was completely exercised that BB chose to start Brady last night.  His post reads like it was created by FJM in some kind of supercomputer that generates horrendous journalism.
 
Wait. This is written for "The Onion" right? Every sentence busts its own balls.
 

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crystalline said:
That's what Exponent does- cloak bad conclusions in high quality scientific procedures. Because their job is to distract the other party in valid scientific details, to make the conclusions seem more valid merely by association. And of the generalist engineering litigation consulting firms, Exponent has the highest profile because they are the best at this.

Exponent did exactly what their client was paying for.
 
Is the bolded considered true - what Exponent did with Deflategate is considered outstanding, and is exactly what other science/engineering firms strive for?
Thus, the legal process is infused with shoddy, biased, misleading and falsified science? 
If so, yikes. 
 

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"A base that not only thinks Brady did no wrong, but is actively seeking out water for him to walk upon"
 
Professional journalism, ladies and gentlemen.  
 

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troparra said:
 
Is the bolded considered true - what Exponent did with Deflategate is considered outstanding, and is exactly what other science/engineering firms strive for?
Thus, the legal process is infused with shoddy, biased, misleading and falsified science? 
If so, yikes. 
They are a science/engineering litigation consulting firm.

No, they would never ever ever say that this is what they strive for.

And it's not just the legal process in which paid consultants/scientists/engineers distort science. Tobacco companies distorted science and argued for years that smoking didn't cause cancer. Energy companies distort science right now to argue climate change isn't caused by humans.

There is a standard playbook to challenge true scientific findings by paying people to confuse the issues. Exponent used chapter one: introduce doubt via complexity.
 

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drbretto said:
We'll stop thinking Brady is Jesus as soon as people stop trying to crucify him.
 
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P.S. Chris Chase was on D&C to display his infallible logical prowess for all to hear. As bad as that article was, he is worse when he opens his mouth.
 

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Don't feed the troll
 
"The Most Hated Blogger in America" about Chris Chase
 
 
 
And Chase has his haters to thank for his new job. He’s pretty sure their engagement with his work was part of what made him an attractive hire. Those 5,500 people on Facebook who like the “Fire Chris Chase!” page keep coming back, don’t they? For all the grief Chase gets, he’s still thrilled to be able to share his opinions so many readers. In the beginning, he remembers being excited when his blog got 16 hits in a day. At Yahoo, he had millions. At USA Today, he says, “the hope is that some of the haters have followed.”
 
 
 
And to one of his haters’ biggest arguments that his stories are “inconsequential,” Chase points out that it’s his job to create that kind of “shareable, buzzy content,” — which is often what gets his employer the most hits. 
 
http://www.cjr.org/full_court_press/the_most_hated_blogger_in_amer.php
 

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troparra said:
 
Is the bolded considered true - what Exponent did with Deflategate is considered outstanding, and is exactly what other science/engineering firms strive for?
Thus, the legal process is infused with shoddy, biased, misleading and falsified science? 
If so, yikes. 
 
There are a lot of issues with science in the courtroom but I think it's worth noting that this is a particularly egregious case.  Your two normal safeguards are (1) a qualification process and (2) presenting dueling experts to a neutral fact finder.   Typically you can challenge whether the other side's experts get to testify or not (for example they're not an expert or--as here--they don't have reliable data to base a conclusion on).  Assuming the judge allows the expert to testify you cross-examine the expert, and also have your own expert testify, and then the factfinder (typically a jury or neutral judge/arbitrator) determines how useful the report is in drawing their conclusions.
 
Seeing that Roger was effectively the gatekeeper on whether the science was reliable, and seeing that Roger also got to decide how much weight to give the scientific information presented by the NFL and by brady, it's not a huge surprise that he found the exponent report to be useful.
 
 

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troparra said:
 
Is the bolded considered true - what Exponent did with Deflategate is considered outstanding, and is exactly what other science/engineering firms strive for?
Thus, the legal process is infused with shoddy, biased, misleading and falsified science? 
If so, yikes. 
 
What Exponent did would be considered standard practice for a bad case, essentially.  Experts sometimes get retained to work on matters where there is not a strong set of evidence for a particular proposition.  One of the primary plays they run in that situation is to make a set of assumptions that enable the report as a whole to support the proposition.   So, here, they got inputs from Paul Weiss that enabled a possible finding that nature couldn't explain the level of deflation, and then they ran another play---selecting the statistical/scientific method used---to find the one method out of many that would support the proposition.
 
There's all sorts of expert reports that run those two plays, and expert firms get paid to have guys with great resumes willing to run them and testify to them under oath.  As Shelter points out, what prevents this from wholly disfiguring the normal system is that there are checks on the methodology used and the opportunity to cross-examine and present an opposing expert.  Those safeguards were missing here.
 
I would guess Judge Berman knows the expert playbook cold and after a single read threw out his copy of Exponent and hasn't thought about it since; he likely saw the evidence of those two plays as quickly as BB picked up the Seahawks calling a passing play at the goal line, and knew exactly what that said about the underlying facts and science.
 

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scott bankheadcase said:
 
You can bring in a computer forensic specialist who can image a (non-destroyed) phone and likely recover the texts despite being deleted. 
 
Thanks for the clarification
 

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Also Volin. 
 
Sons of Dan Shaughnessy.
 
Fun fact. I had to google CHB because I was brain farting on his real name and he actually shows up on the wikipedia disambiguation page for "CHB". It's official! 
 

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Ed Hillel said:
Chase is the new whoever that Indy writer other than Kravitz is. Trolling for clicks.
 
Well, I guess you can't be "most hated" anything if you don't have a tumblr site against you:
 
http://chrischasesucks.tumblr.com/
 
The man specializes in hottakez:
 
http://nextimpulsesports.com/2015/06/17/the-internet-did-not-respond-kindly-to-chris-chases-hot-take-on-lebron-james/
 

when LeBron lost the Finals and fell to 2-4 in his career Finals appearances, it didn’t take long for the Hot Takes to roll in. Chief among the Hot Takers was Chris Chase of USA Today, who wrote this beautifully crafted diatribe that would have Skip Bayless weeping for joy:
 
No one doubts LeBron is the greatest player of his generation. But, at this point, he’s the only player ever to earn that honor who hasn’t dominated the NBA Finals while in his prime — a prime that’s ending sooner rather than later. Is it his fault for not making his teammates better? Is it his team’s fault for not getting him better teammates? These questions are irrelevant and will stay irrelevant if LeBron ends up with a pedestrian amount of NBA championships. There’s no nuance involved in questions about legacy. It’s about numbers, pure and simple.
 
You heard it here. Rings decide legacy. Derek Fisher’s basketball legacy is greater than LeBron James’s is at this point.
 
However, Chase wasn’t merely content to count championship rings and call it a day. No, it also matters how one gets their championships and we all know that LeBron murdered Cleveland on live television and thus his Miami championships are less legitimate or something:
 
And then there’s the matter of how LeBron won his titles. It was as a mercenary in Miami, after he stabbed Cleveland in the back on live television and created a super-team. The move was unbecoming of a champion and though LeBron has matured since then, that sojourn to South Beach is still remembered negatively.
 
Again, all of this criticism comes after a performance that was one of the best singular performances in NBA history.
 
 

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Where is ESPN getting this "Witnesses could be called" information
 
 
 
A source with knowledge of the court proceedings told Paolantonio that both sides are talking to try to avoid the scheduled Wednesday court hearing, which is expected to be open to the public and could include testimony from witnesses. Notices filed by the court Thursday afternoon indicate "principals are not required to attend on 8/19/15," meaning neither commissioner Roger Goodell nor Brady will be required to be in court that day.
It seems highly unlikely.
 

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That reads like an obvious NFL leak to make it seem as if Brady has somehting to fear from witnesses being called. And of course, we now know with a 100% certainty that this is nonsense, since the NFL has already admitted in court that they are not in possession of any direct evidence of Brady's involvement in a scheme to deflate footballs below 12.5 PSI.

In a process where there is no discovery needed, the calling of witnesses seems counter-intuitive. But if I'm Brady/the NFLPA, I play nice, follow the directions of the judge and let the process play out however Berman wants it to go unless/until the NFL agrees to vacate the suspesnion.
 

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It would be great if Judge Barbara Jones stopped by to relate what it's like dealing with the Commish and his crew, but I can't put much stock in Sal's court reporting.
 

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Of all people, you'd think John Tomase, yes that f*cking John Tomase, would write a "Brady's a liar" column. Not linking to the trash, but here's a sniff:
 

Brady destroyed his phone. If anything damages his reputation, it's taking that page from the Aaron Hernandez playbook. And if you believe he choose March 5 or 6 (the day of his meeting with Wells) completely at random, then you also believe McNally joined Jenny Craig for the purposes of personal deflation.
 
Brady has millions of backers because he's a humble winner. But the majority aren't basing their support on the evidence or the science or the flawed investigation. They're basing it on Brady's four Super Bowl titles, his unbelievable performances in the clutch, his heroism on the field, and that swoony cleft chin.
 
He's "Our Tom," and we're standing by him no matter what. But at some point, shouldn't we acknowledge the possibility that instead of a league-wide conspiracy perpetrated by haters of the Patriots driven to David Lynch-ian levels of jealousy by their success, that maybe Tom actually, you know, did it?
 
He looked like he was lying at his infamous I-don't-believe-so press conference days after the AFC title game. He sounded like he was lying at his appeal hearing, at least according to Goodell. And he certainly acted like he was lying by instructing an assistant to take a sledgehammer to his smartphone.
 
He was also on WEEI:
 
http://media.weei.com/a/108281250/tomase-believes-brady-is-lying-8-14-15.htm
 
Apparently what's old is new again, as he had this to say in his apology for the infamous "Patriots filmed practice" story way back in 2008:
 
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3398828

"First and foremost, this is about a writer breaking one of the cardinal rules of journalism. I failed to keep challenging what I had been told," wrote John Tomase in Friday's editions of the newspaper.
 

"I should not have written the story without seeing the tape or getting multiple, firsthand confirmations from members of the organization," he wrote.
 
He also conceded that he should have given the Patriots more time to investigate and respond. The team adamantly denied the story.
 
In that WEEI interview, Tomase says he has "no proof" and this is his "gut feeling". I'm just befuddled as to the line of thinking that led Tomase back into commenting on anything Patriots related, never mind this particular stance. What a shitshow. 
 

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natpastime162 said:
Outstanding ESPN related audio
 
Schefter appears censored at this point:
 
http://www.ysrpodcasts.com/czaban/
 
8/14/2015 Hour 3 - Starts with Dan Wetzel column at 15:00, then gets into the arbitrary hearing being requested sealed by the NFLPA at 16:20 and afterwards a Kevin Sheehan interview of Schefter
 
I think it's Hour 3 from 8/13.    
 
Never heard Schefter speechless like that. Basically, ESPN did to Simmons what Goodell is doing to Brady. Go after your biggest star so everyone else knows who really has the power and is forced to toe the company line. Welcome to the Layer Cake, son.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVYHjEeYGFA
 

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In light of current events, the exhortation to "get your facts straight" sticks out as particularly egregious. Never mind the current situation, he certainly didn't follow that in the Rice investigation.
 
No way--talking to people with diverse views in light of the Rice investigation and the revelation that he didn't consult a single woman about it runs away with it by a country mile.
 

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I think it's Hour 3 from 8/13.    
 
Never heard Schefter speechless like that. Basically, ESPN did to Simmons what Goodell is doing to Brady. Go after your biggest star so everyone else knows who really has the power and is forced to toe the company line. Welcome to the Layer Cake, son.
You're right it was 8/13, my bad and thanks for correcting me. Strangely, I made that same mistake earlier today and thought I fixed it when posting.

Is anyone ever described as sounding or acting honest? Lot of human lie detectors chimed in over the last 6 months. Need to find one to set me straight.
 

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NFLPA's latest brief is in.
 
 
Gabe Feldman ‏@SportsLawGuy  13m13 minutes ago
PA's latest submission in Brady is in and they come out firing."The NFL’s submission is a memorandum of attempted misdirection to the Court"
 
Gabe Feldman ‏@SportsLawGuy  12m
12 minutes ago
"At every turn, NFL misstates the record—from the discipline that was actually imposed... to the Award that was actually rendered to undisputed arbitration evidence...to the arguments the NFLPA has actually presented to the Court.
 
 
Gabe Feldman ‏@SportsLawGuy  4m
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"The NFL’s seismic shifts are nothing short of breathtaking.Having publicly touted the “independence” of the Wells Report and Paul,Weiss
"as the linchpin of the purported fairness of the discipline, the 'independent' Report has now been relegated to 'thorough' '' 'experienced & highly respected,” &whole façade of “independence” has been relabeled 'irrelevant'
 
 

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Makes you wonder what Kessler, et al read off of Berman that they thought it was a good idea to go this scorched earth in the briefing.